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	<title>Comments on: Late Night: Sorry, Lady, But Your Gender Is a Pre-Existing Condition</title>
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		<title>By: KarenM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979806</link>
		<dc:creator>KarenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This issue and this post both sound like loud cries for a sex strike. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just think, sales of ED drugs would go down, along with contraceptives, maternity services, and pediatrics. Then there would be fewer sales in toys, children’s gear and equipment, clothes, car seats. And all of those foods, cartoons, and commercials geared specifically to children. Eventually, the entertainment industry would feel the effects, too. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hardly any area of the economy would be exempt. And they might all then band together and demand affordable health care, &lt;i&gt;especially&lt;/i&gt; for women and children. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any takers? I didn’t think so. ;~)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue and this post both sound like loud cries for a sex strike. </p>
<p>Just think, sales of ED drugs would go down, along with contraceptives, maternity services, and pediatrics. Then there would be fewer sales in toys, children’s gear and equipment, clothes, car seats. And all of those foods, cartoons, and commercials geared specifically to children. Eventually, the entertainment industry would feel the effects, too. </p>
<p>Hardly any area of the economy would be exempt. And they might all then band together and demand affordable health care, <i>especially</i> for women and children. </p>
<p>Any takers? I didn’t think so. ;~)</p>
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		<title>By: squanabc</title>
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		<dc:creator>squanabc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey there, no I don’t have ovaries.  I’m not saying that unwanted pregnancies shouldn’t be terminated, but I just think like buying a house or paying for college you should save for something so life changing.  Insurance isn’t a coupon to pay less at the doctor, it’s to cover emergencies and unexpected things (unwanted pregnancies or complications).  I think if you smoke, you should put money aside each month for when you get cancer.  And if you don’t - you’ll leave alot of money to someone else.  It’s just about controlling costs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, if you want to have a kid, you could, I suppose, join in with others who want to have kids and use your leverage as a group to drive down the price of having the kid.  But that’s not something your insurance company should do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I realize my views aren’t going to be popular, but I just think if we’re going to make health care affordable and not make doctors government employees (though I’d support that!) we’re going to have to realize what insurance is for, the unexpected, and pay out of pocket for everything else.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, no I don’t have ovaries.  I’m not saying that unwanted pregnancies shouldn’t be terminated, but I just think like buying a house or paying for college you should save for something so life changing.  Insurance isn’t a coupon to pay less at the doctor, it’s to cover emergencies and unexpected things (unwanted pregnancies or complications).  I think if you smoke, you should put money aside each month for when you get cancer.  And if you don’t &#8211; you’ll leave alot of money to someone else.  It’s just about controlling costs.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you want to have a kid, you could, I suppose, join in with others who want to have kids and use your leverage as a group to drive down the price of having the kid.  But that’s not something your insurance company should do.</p>
<p>I realize my views aren’t going to be popular, but I just think if we’re going to make health care affordable and not make doctors government employees (though I’d support that!) we’re going to have to realize what insurance is for, the unexpected, and pay out of pocket for everything else.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979791</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With all due respect, this isn’t really gender discrimination. This is plain old greed expressed as de facto insurance fraud–paying for health coverage that turns out not to be health coverage. Insurance companies are just using gender as an excuse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m the father of two daughters, the husband of their mother, and the child of a mother. So it isn’t as if only women suffer from discrimination against maternity. In most cases, fathers will be sharing the bill for excluded OB-GYN costs–or worse, risking the loss of their wives and children. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For that matter, the fact that women earn $0.75 per $1.00 of male earnings isn’t really a women’s issue either. Most spouses work. Mine does. Which means that, as a household, we make only $0.88 on the dollar. Moreover, lower wages for women and, particularly, for skilled, professional ”women’s jobs” that men often hold–like nursing–have the effect of suppressing wages for workers as a whole.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re all in this together. We can’t afford to let ourselves get fragmented into interest groups or sidelined by non-issues. That’s how lobbyists always beat the left in this country. The issue is economic inequality. Gender bias is only one of the many tired excuses for it, part of the smoke and mirrors. Let’s stay focused on the real issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, this isn’t really gender discrimination. This is plain old greed expressed as de facto insurance fraud–paying for health coverage that turns out not to be health coverage. Insurance companies are just using gender as an excuse.</p>
<p>I’m the father of two daughters, the husband of their mother, and the child of a mother. So it isn’t as if only women suffer from discrimination against maternity. In most cases, fathers will be sharing the bill for excluded OB-GYN costs–or worse, risking the loss of their wives and children. </p>
<p>For that matter, the fact that women earn $0.75 per $1.00 of male earnings isn’t really a women’s issue either. Most spouses work. Mine does. Which means that, as a household, we make only $0.88 on the dollar. Moreover, lower wages for women and, particularly, for skilled, professional ”women’s jobs” that men often hold–like nursing–have the effect of suppressing wages for workers as a whole.</p>
<p>We’re all in this together. We can’t afford to let ourselves get fragmented into interest groups or sidelined by non-issues. That’s how lobbyists always beat the left in this country. The issue is economic inequality. Gender bias is only one of the many tired excuses for it, part of the smoke and mirrors. Let’s stay focused on the real issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Shakti</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979788</link>
		<dc:creator>Shakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My HSA charges me 30% more for having a vagina and this doesn’t include stuff like actually being pregnant. When I was shopping for health insurance, I played with their rate quote and that’s what popped up for every single plan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My HSA charges me 30% more for having a vagina and this doesn’t include stuff like actually being pregnant. When I was shopping for health insurance, I played with their rate quote and that’s what popped up for every single plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Shakti</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979787</link>
		<dc:creator>Shakti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@watertiger&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;You read that right. In 36 states, pregnancy is considered optional, even in those areas where abortion providers who haven’t been assassinated are more than a “short ride” away&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The standard rejoinder to that is that having potentially procreative sex is optional. However considering 1) not having potentially procreative sex in a heterosexual marriage is grounds for divorce (loss of consortium), 2) sentences for marital rape are lighter, 3)most women get married and 4) have children, 5) it is considered almost compulsory to get married and have kids, 6)many women have health insurance through their spouse (or get married because of health insurance reasons), it’s stretching to call pregnancy “optional”.&lt;br /&gt;
Furthermore at a macro level, reproducing is not optional.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@watertiger</p>
<blockquote><p>You read that right. In 36 states, pregnancy is considered optional, even in those areas where abortion providers who haven’t been assassinated are more than a “short ride” away</p></blockquote>
<p>The standard rejoinder to that is that having potentially procreative sex is optional. However considering 1) not having potentially procreative sex in a heterosexual marriage is grounds for divorce (loss of consortium), 2) sentences for marital rape are lighter, 3)most women get married and 4) have children, 5) it is considered almost compulsory to get married and have kids, 6)many women have health insurance through their spouse (or get married because of health insurance reasons), it’s stretching to call pregnancy “optional”.<br />
Furthermore at a macro level, reproducing is not optional.</p>
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		<title>By: NCGal</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979734</link>
		<dc:creator>NCGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have heard on NPR that women actually pay higher medical insurance rates across the country, even without including the issue of maternity coverage.  The person on NPR was saying that insurance companies use as their excuses: women’s longer average life expectancy &amp; claim women have more chronic illnesses than men &amp; go more often to doctors for appointments.  They say men die more often from heart attacks, etc., while women’s illnesses require more medical treatment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are the companies our government is protecting, at our literal expense …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard on NPR that women actually pay higher medical insurance rates across the country, even without including the issue of maternity coverage.  The person on NPR was saying that insurance companies use as their excuses: women’s longer average life expectancy &amp; claim women have more chronic illnesses than men &amp; go more often to doctors for appointments.  They say men die more often from heart attacks, etc., while women’s illnesses require more medical treatment.  </p>
<p>These are the companies our government is protecting, at our literal expense …</p>
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		<title>By: archibaldtuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>archibaldtuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My wife and I are the same age, both in good health, both with our own individual health care plans with the same deductible.  Hers is from Anthem, mine from Blue Shield.  I pay $200/month and she pays almost $500/month.  Hers does offer maternity care, which is good.  I would like to tar Republicans with some stat over how many people go bankrupt by having to pay for having babies.  How’s that for pro-life!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On another topic, I followed the John Lennon lyrics link; it was shocking and hilarious to see &lt;a href=&quot;http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4278/screencapturec.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this ad&lt;/a&gt; pop up after a minute…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I are the same age, both in good health, both with our own individual health care plans with the same deductible.  Hers is from Anthem, mine from Blue Shield.  I pay $200/month and she pays almost $500/month.  Hers does offer maternity care, which is good.  I would like to tar Republicans with some stat over how many people go bankrupt by having to pay for having babies.  How’s that for pro-life!</p>
<p>On another topic, I followed the John Lennon lyrics link; it was shocking and hilarious to see <a href="http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4278/screencapturec.png" rel="nofollow">this ad</a> pop up after a minute…</p>
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		<title>By: rxbusa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979520</link>
		<dc:creator>rxbusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually I live in your vicinity (Bay area).  Sorry if my comment was obscure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I live in your vicinity (Bay area).  Sorry if my comment was obscure.</p>
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		<title>By: AngelsAwake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979512</link>
		<dc:creator>AngelsAwake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…This is ridiculous! My God, what the hell?!?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Only private insurance could create a situation this abominable and stupid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…This is ridiculous! My God, what the hell?!?</p>
<p>Only private insurance could create a situation this abominable and stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/17/late-night-sorry-lady-but-your-gender-is-a-pre-existing-condition/#comment-1979470</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This makes no sense. All kinds of coverage regarding sexual health and reproductive health but no coverage for the possible end result of sex,a conception? But coverage for STD’s, another possible end result of sex unprotected?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The industry has some stupid number crunchers there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes no sense. All kinds of coverage regarding sexual health and reproductive health but no coverage for the possible end result of sex,a conception? But coverage for STD’s, another possible end result of sex unprotected?</p>
<p>The industry has some stupid number crunchers there.</p>
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