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		<title>By: Cellar47</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978277</link>
		<dc:creator>Cellar47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2009/09/15/mr-sheri-plays-the-race-card/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mr. Sheri Plays The Race Card&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2009/09/15/mr-sheri-plays-the-race-card/" rel="nofollow">Mr. Sheri Plays The Race Card</a></p>
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		<title>By: southernpch</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978273</link>
		<dc:creator>southernpch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The trollers are calling, too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trollers are calling, too.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978270</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no idea. My guess is that we are making a dent with our calls and we need to keep strong.  It is viewed that this health care policy push is a “final battle” against progressives as opposed to solving health care.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The more success we have, the crazier others get. Jane was correct yesterday:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Remember, they need 40 votes. We held 32 on the supplemental, and were expressly told at that time that there was no internal caucus whip effort. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jed says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On the face of it, passing the public option should be about the easiest no-brainer in politics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    But it’s not. And that fact poses a real test for progressives — and a real opportunity. Progressives can finally change the power dynamics in Congress by proving that they will hold their ground. Getting the public option would be one kind of victory, but proving that progressives area  potent political force would be another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    And the potential for that victory is one of the most important reasons that the public option matters so much. We can’t give up the fight.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, we can’t.  It’s going to be a big week — for the public plan, for progressives, for people who want to take the government back from the lobbyists.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No we can’t. No we can’t. No we can’t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So they will be here in force. Every time they interupt the thread, please make a call and write a comment about your call. Push yourself to avoid the bait and just make a call every time someone visits here to troll.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A troll visit means: go make a congressional call or send a letter to the editor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthout.org/082009B&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;go here&lt;/a&gt; for some great policy points for those calls and letters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scroll and call. Scroll and call.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea. My guess is that we are making a dent with our calls and we need to keep strong.  It is viewed that this health care policy push is a “final battle” against progressives as opposed to solving health care.</p>
<p>The more success we have, the crazier others get. Jane was correct yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p>Remember, they need 40 votes. We held 32 on the supplemental, and were expressly told at that time that there was no internal caucus whip effort. </p>
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<blockquote><p>Jed says:</p>
<blockquote><p>On the face of it, passing the public option should be about the easiest no-brainer in politics.</p>
<p>    But it’s not. And that fact poses a real test for progressives — and a real opportunity. Progressives can finally change the power dynamics in Congress by proving that they will hold their ground. Getting the public option would be one kind of victory, but proving that progressives area  potent political force would be another.</p>
<p>    And the potential for that victory is one of the most important reasons that the public option matters so much. We can’t give up the fight.</p>
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<p>No, we can’t.  It’s going to be a big week — for the public plan, for progressives, for people who want to take the government back from the lobbyists.</p>
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<p>No we can’t. No we can’t. No we can’t.</p>
<p>So they will be here in force. Every time they interupt the thread, please make a call and write a comment about your call. Push yourself to avoid the bait and just make a call every time someone visits here to troll.</p>
<p>A troll visit means: go make a congressional call or send a letter to the editor.</p>
<p>And <a href="http://www.truthout.org/082009B" rel="nofollow">go here</a> for some great policy points for those calls and letters.</p>
<p>Scroll and call. Scroll and call.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978269</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wrong post.  Never mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong post.  Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978267</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Some thought we had in Mr. Lincoln the nerve and decision of an Oliver Cromwell; but the result shows that we merely have a continuation of the Pierces and Buchanans.” -Frederick Douglass after Lincoln’s first inaugural address. (Cited by Doris Kearns Goodwin in &lt;em&gt;Team of Rivals&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ultimately, Douglass’ assessment seems to have been a little overly critical. It’s probably good that abolitionists didn’t consider all lost and commit group suicide at that point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Some thought we had in Mr. Lincoln the nerve and decision of an Oliver Cromwell; but the result shows that we merely have a continuation of the Pierces and Buchanans.” -Frederick Douglass after Lincoln’s first inaugural address. (Cited by Doris Kearns Goodwin in <em>Team of Rivals</em>)</p>
<p>Ultimately, Douglass’ assessment seems to have been a little overly critical. It’s probably good that abolitionists didn’t consider all lost and commit group suicide at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978266</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US KIA Irak: 4344&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US KIA Afghanistan: 830&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Namaste&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.</p>
<p>US KIA Irak: 4344</p>
<p>US KIA Afghanistan: 830</p>
<p>Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.</p>
<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978265</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like him too but sometimes there are things that should not be said like the danger of spreading germs on planes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like him too but sometimes there are things that should not be said like the danger of spreading germs on planes.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978264</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My memory’s like a steel seive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My memory’s like a steel seive.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978263</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There have been learned economic tomes written about actual U.S. slavery, arguing that it was good for slaves since their owners had every incentive to look after the slaves’ welfare. However, in reality, not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been learned economic tomes written about actual U.S. slavery, arguing that it was good for slaves since their owners had every incentive to look after the slaves’ welfare. However, in reality, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/15/early-morning-swim-192/#comment-1978262</link>
		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I almost said, Like an elephant, but that wouldn’t work well here.  I’ll go with Like a steel trap.  And, I can’t tell you why.  I’m sure I’ve lost a few brain cells here and there.  *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost said, Like an elephant, but that wouldn’t work well here.  I’ll go with Like a steel trap.  And, I can’t tell you why.  I’m sure I’ve lost a few brain cells here and there.  *g*</p>
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