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		<title>By: cosanostradamus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977754</link>
		<dc:creator>cosanostradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
I’ll believe in a public option when I get a card for one. I expect to die of something treatable before then.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I’m just going to sit here and listen to songs your Daddy didn’t sing you. Unless he was &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog-me-no-blogs.blogspot.com/2009/08/hawaiian-anthems.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hawaiian.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I’ll believe in a public option when I get a card for one. I expect to die of something treatable before then.</p>
<p>So I’m just going to sit here and listen to songs your Daddy didn’t sing you. Unless he was <a href="http://blog-me-no-blogs.blogspot.com/2009/08/hawaiian-anthems.html" rel="nofollow">Hawaiian.</a><br />
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977721</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Krugman has the whole package:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“One purpose of the public option is to save money. Experience with Medicare suggests that a government-run plan would have lower costs…it would introduce more competition and keep premiums down..and importantly, the public option offered a way to reconcile differing views among Democrats.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here’s the real zinger, in my book:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“…some who want a public option might be willing to forgo it if they had confidence in the overall health care strategy.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rock the vote.org hits it even harder when they point to the word “quality: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“The public option would operate alongside private insurance companies, making the market more competitive and driving &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;quality &lt;/strong&gt;up and costs down.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And here’s why I support the public option, above all else:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;“… even if you have insurance, there are lots of ways insurance companies can deny you coverage or stop your coverage. We call this “screwing you.”  Not anymore under reform proposals…” &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krugman has the whole package:</p>
<p>“One purpose of the public option is to save money. Experience with Medicare suggests that a government-run plan would have lower costs…it would introduce more competition and keep premiums down..and importantly, the public option offered a way to reconcile differing views among Democrats.”</p>
<p>But here’s the real zinger, in my book:</p>
<p><strong>“…some who want a public option might be willing to forgo it if they had confidence in the overall health care strategy.”</strong></p>
<p>Rock the vote.org hits it even harder when they point to the word “quality: <br /><strong>“The public option would operate alongside private insurance companies, making the market more competitive and driving </strong><strong>quality </strong>up and costs down.”</p>
<p>And here’s why I support the public option, above all else:</p>
<p><strong>“… even if you have insurance, there are lots of ways insurance companies can deny you coverage or stop your coverage. We call this “screwing you.”  Not anymore under reform proposals…” </strong></p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977712</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator Feinsteins limited definition of the public option is worth discussing further. Maybe it’s the Senate that doesn’t get the real point behind it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The key to the public option and the reason people want the public option is to keep costs down. There is more than one way to skin that cat.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the public option was only about lowering costs we’d have 1000% agreement and whacko groups like the Right wing PAC, Conservatives for Patients Rights(CPR), wouldn’t spend millions on a national ad campaign whose sole purpose is to dump “the public option”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Feinsteins limited definition of the public option is worth discussing further. Maybe it’s the Senate that doesn’t get the real point behind it.</p>
<p>“</p>
<blockquote><p>The key to the public option and the reason people want the public option is to keep costs down. There is more than one way to skin that cat.”</p>
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<p>If the public option was only about lowering costs we’d have 1000% agreement and whacko groups like the Right wing PAC, Conservatives for Patients Rights(CPR), wouldn’t spend millions on a national ad campaign whose sole purpose is to dump “the public option”.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977709</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The credit card concept was OK, but it became abused.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boy, was &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; ever an understatement!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once it became commonplace to pay for every day purchases (gas, lunch, etc.) with credit cards instead of cash it was game over, because most people never pay the balances monthly (and the companies &lt;em&gt;knew&lt;/em&gt; this would be the case) so your $30 tank of gas became $60 when paid over 5 years with interest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Layer on top of that constant bombardment by advertising that suggested you &lt;em&gt;deserve&lt;/em&gt; that vacation, new clothes, new car every 2-3 years and the recipe for disaster was set.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In hindsight, credit should only be used for emergencies, purchase of a home and/or an automobile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most everything else can and should wait until you can pay cash for it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The credit card concept was OK, but it became abused.</p>
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<p>Boy, was <em>that</em> ever an understatement!</p>
<p>Once it became commonplace to pay for every day purchases (gas, lunch, etc.) with credit cards instead of cash it was game over, because most people never pay the balances monthly (and the companies <em>knew</em> this would be the case) so your $30 tank of gas became $60 when paid over 5 years with interest.</p>
<p>Layer on top of that constant bombardment by advertising that suggested you <em>deserve</em> that vacation, new clothes, new car every 2-3 years and the recipe for disaster was set.</p>
<p>In hindsight, credit should only be used for emergencies, purchase of a home and/or an automobile.</p>
<p>Most everything else can and should wait until you can pay cash for it.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977661</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds about right to me;surely that will fix the TX education system.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds about right to me;surely that will fix the TX education system.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the left stooped to the same tactics as the right, Maddow or Olbermann would give a blackboard lecture demonstrating that Kay Bailey Hutchison’s hatred of czars proves that she is a Bolshevik. Then members of the House and Senate would start saying they didn’t think she was a Commie, but couldn’t prove otherwise, and they had seen her wearing a &lt;em&gt;linen&lt;/em&gt; suit, which probably meant nothing, but then again, who knows?  If she is one, that must mean Rick Perry is a Trotskyite, since he’s in the same party, but they despise each other. Godamighty, they want the Republic of Texas to be a soviet socialist one!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the left stooped to the same tactics as the right, Maddow or Olbermann would give a blackboard lecture demonstrating that Kay Bailey Hutchison’s hatred of czars proves that she is a Bolshevik. Then members of the House and Senate would start saying they didn’t think she was a Commie, but couldn’t prove otherwise, and they had seen her wearing a <em>linen</em> suit, which probably meant nothing, but then again, who knows?  If she is one, that must mean Rick Perry is a Trotskyite, since he’s in the same party, but they despise each other. Godamighty, they want the Republic of Texas to be a soviet socialist one!</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/14/early-morning-swim-191/#comment-1977657</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Credit is OK, if it is sold a reasonable rates and the selling of it is regulated so that it doesn’t turn into a rapacious greedy monster that it has become.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The credit card concept was OK, but it became abused. The excuse for the abuse was that they were no recourse loans and were high risk so they were entitled to high ROIs and fees.  Completely unregulated they abused the plastic money system.  They provided credit to too many who did not deserve it and assumed that they would make out with the higher interest and fees charged to everyone.  They were right and they had congress sit on their hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The congress bought the myth that home ownership means consumer spending and that makes jobs and also corporations money - it’s just a bubble.   But it was one that sold well because the homeowner saw their home not as a place to live but as an growing asset and one to borrow against - yet another strategy for more income for Wall Street, and corporations who sell home “stuff”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Debt can only be supported by income and cash flow. When the bubble burst it began the chain reaction ripppling through all the real estate related industries - construction, home products, cars, restaurants, and then to other segments as disposable income evaporated replaced by oppressive unserviceable debt the result of CREDIT.  All sectors of the economy are being pulled into the debt /credit sprial.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we are not growing and inflating, we are dying and in a death spiral.  That IS a credit based economy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credit is OK, if it is sold a reasonable rates and the selling of it is regulated so that it doesn’t turn into a rapacious greedy monster that it has become.</p>
<p>The credit card concept was OK, but it became abused. The excuse for the abuse was that they were no recourse loans and were high risk so they were entitled to high ROIs and fees.  Completely unregulated they abused the plastic money system.  They provided credit to too many who did not deserve it and assumed that they would make out with the higher interest and fees charged to everyone.  They were right and they had congress sit on their hands.</p>
<p>The congress bought the myth that home ownership means consumer spending and that makes jobs and also corporations money &#8211; it’s just a bubble.   But it was one that sold well because the homeowner saw their home not as a place to live but as an growing asset and one to borrow against &#8211; yet another strategy for more income for Wall Street, and corporations who sell home “stuff”.</p>
<p>Debt can only be supported by income and cash flow. When the bubble burst it began the chain reaction ripppling through all the real estate related industries &#8211; construction, home products, cars, restaurants, and then to other segments as disposable income evaporated replaced by oppressive unserviceable debt the result of CREDIT.  All sectors of the economy are being pulled into the debt /credit sprial.</p>
<p>If we are not growing and inflating, we are dying and in a death spiral.  That IS a credit based economy.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US KIA Irak: 4343&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US KIA Afghanistan: 829&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Namaste&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.</p>
<p>US KIA Irak: 4343</p>
<p>US KIA Afghanistan: 829</p>
<p>Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.</p>
<p>Namaste</p>
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		<title>By: wjbill49</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjbill49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If the democrats had half a brain or any cajoles that would “go it alone” right now and let Snowe/Collins/anyone else who fancies themselves a moderate take ownership of the teabagging millions that marched on Washington, get some backbones, the landscape is YOURS dem’s if you would only grasp what is going on&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the democrats had half a brain or any cajoles that would “go it alone” right now and let Snowe/Collins/anyone else who fancies themselves a moderate take ownership of the teabagging millions that marched on Washington, get some backbones, the landscape is YOURS dem’s if you would only grasp what is going on</p>
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		<title>By: sadlyyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadlyyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The myth was and probably still is, in the senate, What’s good for wall street will be good for Main street. This is completely false.&lt;br /&gt;
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it was always considered inverse&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The myth was and probably still is, in the senate, What’s good for wall street will be good for Main street. This is completely false.<br />
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it was always considered inverse</p>
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