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	<title>Comments on: Corporations are Just Like Rich People; Not Accountable</title>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/13/corporations-are-just-like-rich-people-not-accountable/#comment-1977328</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like the way you think. Yves Smith makes a similar argument here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/09/ny-times-lehman-post-mortem-the-power-of-denial.html.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nakedcapitalism.com.....nial.html.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way you think. Yves Smith makes a similar argument here: <a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/09/ny-times-lehman-post-mortem-the-power-of-denial.html." rel="nofollow">http://www.nakedcapitalism.com&#8230;..nial.html.</a></p>
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		<title>By: dick c</title>
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		<dc:creator>dick c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“… group jail sounds good too.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If one of my members, e.g.  my right hand index finger, pulls a trigger and shoots someone, my whole self is going to jail. I don’t have a chance of making a prosecutor determine which of my members did it, it’s moot. If a corporation is a single individual, why should it matter if the lawyers did it or the bankers did it. Throw the whole “person” in the hoosegow. It’s not a group it’s an individual. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure the corporate lawyers have already shown why they get to keep their cake, and eat it too, this being a real live Alice in Wonderland kind of world. Why couldn’t the Teabaggers latch onto something like this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“… group jail sounds good too.” </p>
<p>If one of my members, e.g.  my right hand index finger, pulls a trigger and shoots someone, my whole self is going to jail. I don’t have a chance of making a prosecutor determine which of my members did it, it’s moot. If a corporation is a single individual, why should it matter if the lawyers did it or the bankers did it. Throw the whole “person” in the hoosegow. It’s not a group it’s an individual. </p>
<p>I’m sure the corporate lawyers have already shown why they get to keep their cake, and eat it too, this being a real live Alice in Wonderland kind of world. Why couldn’t the Teabaggers latch onto something like this?</p>
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		<title>By: CTman1</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTman1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds like the same problem with Bush, cheney, the DoJ and torture memos circle jerk.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the same problem with Bush, cheney, the DoJ and torture memos circle jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know, MarkH, grimaud @ 26 seems soulless from over here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know, MarkH, grimaud @ 26 seems soulless from over here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes. Exactly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Matrix was an examination about the nature of agency — do we have free agency, or are we merely agents of another kind, programmable like bots?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I guess I personally don’t like it when a creation of the human mind, an agent, if you will, turns on humans and begins to feed on them. Corporations should remain tools of humans, and not gods to which we humans should subjugate ourselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In some ways the very problems we have with corporate entities and their near-personhood is opportunity to visit the Three Laws of Robotics:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.&lt;br /&gt;
2.  A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.&lt;br /&gt;
3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should ask ourselves whether the word corporation should not work equally wherever the laws refer to a robot; at some point we are going to be asking ourselves about these laws when it comes to the near-personhood of machines, why should we not entertain these questions now with virtual robots called corporations?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Exactly.</p>
<p>The Matrix was an examination about the nature of agency — do we have free agency, or are we merely agents of another kind, programmable like bots?</p>
<p>And I guess I personally don’t like it when a creation of the human mind, an agent, if you will, turns on humans and begins to feed on them. Corporations should remain tools of humans, and not gods to which we humans should subjugate ourselves.</p>
<p>In some ways the very problems we have with corporate entities and their near-personhood is opportunity to visit the Three Laws of Robotics:</p>
<blockquote><p>1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.<br />
2.  A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.<br />
3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.</p>
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<p>We should ask ourselves whether the word corporation should not work equally wherever the laws refer to a robot; at some point we are going to be asking ourselves about these laws when it comes to the near-personhood of machines, why should we not entertain these questions now with virtual robots called corporations?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The arrogance and stupidity that it takes to assume that when someone disagrees with you they must be on the Devil’s payroll is astounding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there’s been any class warfare in recent decades it has certainly been won by those in the health care/insurance industry and the financial sector. Don’t look at poor people losing their homes and say they’re class warriors. It shows your ignorance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrogance and stupidity that it takes to assume that when someone disagrees with you they must be on the Devil’s payroll is astounding.</p>
<p>If there’s been any class warfare in recent decades it has certainly been won by those in the health care/insurance industry and the financial sector. Don’t look at poor people losing their homes and say they’re class warriors. It shows your ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arthur Jensen [bellowing]:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was one of THE best movie rants/speeches EVER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea that on the one hand you have the t.v. guy Beale who gives a fair to middlin’ rant of his own and then just when you think the movie is made along comes the unknown gray corporate “suit” and there’s this astounding bellowing rant which shakes you to your knees. It’s awesome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad there is no other movie which continues that theme with God-like rants which each top the previous one. Because certainly the final word should not be a rant which leaves us all mere Neos plugged in as corporate batteries. Maybe that’s why I like Matrix so well. It takes us over the top repeatedly in a quest for the Truth. That process, rather than any particular ‘truth’ is in itself enlightening and thrilling.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Free your mind.” — some movie character named Morphius&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur Jensen [bellowing]:</p>
<blockquote><p>You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear?</p>
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<p>That was one of THE best movie rants/speeches EVER.</p>
<p>The idea that on the one hand you have the t.v. guy Beale who gives a fair to middlin’ rant of his own and then just when you think the movie is made along comes the unknown gray corporate “suit” and there’s this astounding bellowing rant which shakes you to your knees. It’s awesome.</p>
<p>Too bad there is no other movie which continues that theme with God-like rants which each top the previous one. Because certainly the final word should not be a rant which leaves us all mere Neos plugged in as corporate batteries. Maybe that’s why I like Matrix so well. It takes us over the top repeatedly in a quest for the Truth. That process, rather than any particular ‘truth’ is in itself enlightening and thrilling.</p>
<p>“Free your mind.” — some movie character named Morphius</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just a nit to pick at: his mother was White.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a nit to pick at: his mother was White.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who controls the stock price influences health insurer CEOs who influence lawmkers to try and stop reform and to try to derail &amp; destroy Obama.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore, the Rich who own stock are trying to destroy Obama.&lt;br /&gt;
Probably the same Rich who own the banks who have raped America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A day of Judgment for those who keep harming America needs to arrive soon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who controls the stock price influences health insurer CEOs who influence lawmkers to try and stop reform and to try to derail &amp; destroy Obama.</p>
<p>Therefore, the Rich who own stock are trying to destroy Obama.<br />
Probably the same Rich who own the banks who have raped America.</p>
<p>A day of Judgment for those who keep harming America needs to arrive soon.</p>
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		<title>By: interlocutor</title>
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		<dc:creator>interlocutor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Philip Roth beat you to that with “Our Gang”, his Nixon satire, in which it’s proposed that fetuses be given voting rights. Maybe worth looking into!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Philip Roth beat you to that with “Our Gang”, his Nixon satire, in which it’s proposed that fetuses be given voting rights. Maybe worth looking into!</p>
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