In oral argument on the Citizens United case, Justice Sotormayor said this:
[O]nce we say [State and Federal legislatures can't balance electoral process needs and First Amendment rights], except on the basis of a compelling government interest narrowly tailored, are we cutting off or would we be cutting off that future democratic process? Because what you are suggesting is that the courts who created corporations as persons, gave birth to corporations as persons, and there could be an argument made that that was the Court’s error to start with, not Austin or McConnell, but the fact that the Court imbued a creature of State law with human characteristics.
The ramifications of treating corporations as people are clarified in the case the SEC filed against Bank of America arising from the failure to disclose the billions in bonuses Merrill planned to pay its employees just before the merger late last year. Bank of America’s explanation is just barely more preposterous than the incomprehensible claims of the SEC. Here’s how the NYT explains the SEC’s case:
In seeking approval to buy Merrill Lynch last year, Bank of America told investors that Merrill would not pay year-end bonuses without the bank’s consent. But in its complaint filed Aug. 3 in federal court in Manhattan, the S.E.C. said Bank of America had already authorized Merrill to pay bonuses and had not shared that information with shareholders.
It’s a simple case: SEC says the proxy statement prepared by BAC contains a lie. The allegation is either true or false. BAC claims that none of its people are “culpable”, which probably means criminally liable, denies all wrong-doing, and says it only settled to avoid the risk of injury to its reputation.
The SEC explains that it settled that simple case without naming the responsible persons because it cannot figure out who did it either. Apparently the subpoena power Congress gave this once proud agency has withered to nothing, or their feeble lawyers are just not up to the task of rooting out the truth.
Earlier the SEC and BAC blamed the lawyers, and despite the insistence of Judge Rakoff, refused to name any bank executives responsible for the decision.
This is what comes of treating corporations like people. The corporate shield hides the guilt of their officers, directors and employees. No one is responsible for anything. If anyone gets close, the money grubbers explain that they relied on the lawyers. No one can be held to account. No one actually did anything. Certainly the SEC can’t figure out who it was that didn’t do anything.
It looks like five members of the Supreme Court want to let these amoral and irresponsible stewards of the rich dump shareholder money into the electoral process. Like the good little Chicago School true believers they are, the ideologues recognize that lobbying is expensive and uncertain; direct ownership is so much more economically efficient. After all, if corporations are persons, symmetry demands that they be able to own people, just like people own corporations.




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Corporations exist to externalize their costs to the taxpayer and the environment.
now let’s extrapolate that to yoo who claims his opinion cannot be prosecutable since he made them in good faith
same thing would apply here as well
bingo, to give then their corporate shield and protect the individuals from liability for what they do
I would not mind one stitch if all corporations were de-certified, let the owners of these entities carry the responsibilty for what they do
This is an important topic, and Sotomayer brought up a fundamental and unresolved issue. Securitizing debt is another species of the same shenanigans this interpretation allows. And it’s quite insidious and thus hard to pin down. It makes for a perfect storm.
Corporations get $ from investors, not for their politics but for their profitability. A ruling that gave the corporations a voice in politics would give profits primacy over ethics. It would essentially say that investors are served by making profits no matter how the vote might infringe on their rights.
“The Corporation Did It”
Maybe when it gets to those types of situations, we should be able to fine all the various corporate officers for most of their annual salaries and bonuses, since they are the ones ultimately responsible.
Yeah, I know, but a fellow can dream can’t he?
There’s a close connection as the price of the stock of health insurance companies seems to rise and fall with the fate of the public option.
I think this is a great idea: the decisions are the result of the general agreements of these people, so they should pay. For serious offenses, group jail sounds good too.
… after maximizing transfers of wealth to upper management.
Due to an earlier round of “tort reform”, it’s nearly impossible
to hold executives accountable by filing shareholder derivative suits.
[Completely OT but amusing: Judge angered by special treatment for Andrew Sullivan .]
Oh masaccio, you and I know better. Corporations aren’t like rich people.
Corporations ARE rich people.
You know just as I do that corporations are vehicles by which rich people can conduct business, but separate their personal lives from the business in order to ensure that all liability related to the business doesn’t touch their McMansion, their cars, their boats, their jewelry, so on.
It’s a bonus that they can also buy a second layer of political speech beyond their rights as an individual. Hell, everybody ought to become part of a corporation, just so they can have the same second level of access! Senators and Representatives will make time on their calendars for us!!
Oh, now what have I done? There goes the McMansion neighborhood…
While the buying of government is at an extreme now with CBS finding that Wall Street paid $5 Billion over Ten Years to Congress and if that is split evenly between the House and Senate then
1. Each Senator on Average receives $7.5 Million every 4 years
2. Each House Member on Average receives $1.86 Million every 4 years
Obviously, many members of Congress receive much more than others.
Will further allowance by the courts make this CRISIS worse? Time will tell, but it is hard to imagine it being worse than it currently is.
Somewhere along the way their has to be a balance of corporate rights and human rights as this MASSIVE IMBALANCE can NOT be allowed to continue as it violates the concept of being a DEMOCRACY, leaving instead a Corporatocracy and repesenative government becomes FAKERY!
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TRACK THE MONEY – Wall Street Root of the ENTIRE CRISIS, BAILOUTS, plus RUNS THE GOVERNMENT
1. Corporations have excess ill-Gotten L00T to spend!
2. Congress needs L00T for Reelection Campaigns!
3. Corporations Buy FAV0RS and V0TES from Congress and the Corruption Spreads
4. Corporations Control Government causing an Oligarchy of the EL1TES!
5. M0NEY ALL FL0WS from Corporations to the Government – the SOURCE of BAD Government!
In light of the fourteenth amendment and it’s being quoted far more often in defence of the rights of large corporations ,one must ask the question , is Obama our first black president or the new face of the corporations ?
There is no basis in the Constitution that I know of that supports the position that corporations should be treated as individuals.
As for the Supreme Court, with the exception of the Warren Court, it has for more than 200 years been a reactionary force in American life supporting the haves of the day against everyone else: landholders, slaveholders, factory owners, and now corporations.
The blogosphere and the country’s deep and ongoing problems are shining light slowly but surely on the absurd and thoroughly anti-democratic aspects of both our government and political, economic, and financial systems.
It is profoundly anti-democratic to equate money with free speech. This merely translates into those with the most money (the rich and corporations) have the most power in our government. The fruit of this thinking, which the Supreme Court gave its imprimatur to, has been the complete corruption of our government and the collapse of our economy. We have a whole political establishment, of which the SCOTUS is part, which is acting the role of Marie Antoinette throwing crumbs to the starving Paris mob.
The Citizens United case does NOT turn on whether a corporation is a person.
The First Amendment says, “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech….”
The First Amendment is aimed at what congress MAY NOT DO.
McCain-Feingold is an insult to the First Amendment, IMO.
Low and behold:
Not clear why this is in the shareholders’ interests.
It may or may not be applicable to the B of A situation, but a little-noticed section of the Patriot Act gives the President (or someone he authorizes) the ability to exempt corporations from being truthful on their SEC statements or to shareholders, under the claim of “national security.” I wonder how much current mischief is being covered up under that claim?
Rayne, that is exactly right. I almost wrote that corporations are just like Bush administration torturers and liars. Then you would have written that corporations do own politicians.
Next time you decide to get a law degree, you might want to find one that doesn’t advertise on bus benches.
I’m sorry, but my mind is not programmed to respond in this manner. Not being a lawyer it is sometimes difficult to follow these thought processes. But are we in effect saying that corporations are free to do whatever they want without incurring any punishment, yet actual people would be punished for the same offense, which for a corporation is not even considered to be an offense. And if so, God did not create us equal after all.
This seems be right on topic!
Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States
Do take the time to read the rest it is well worth your time! Also be sure to visit the home page: http://reclaimdemocracy.org/
Find one what?
Thanks, Massacio.
Quaint notions such as elections, the rule of law and power derived from the governed under the Constitution aside, all that comes to mind is Paddy Chayefsky’s prophesy from 1976.
Walter Cronkite, Eric Severeid and Ed Murrow have left the building.
The point is that in corporations, responsibility is diffuse. Judge Rakoff wants to know who was responsible for the decision to violate the law by misrepresenting the facts on the bonus payments. BAC denies wrong doing. SEC says it doesn’t have the power to figure out who did it. No one is responsible.
In the same way, corporations pollute. They steal money. In some cases, people die. But no one gets punished, because it is impossible to say who made the decision. The punishments available for corporations are negligible, like fines and cease and desist orders. Crime and misbehavior are profitable, and fines are just a cost of doing business.
In the same way, rich people are not held to account for their behaviors. Look at drug law enforcement. More to the point, look at the outcomes for the Wall Streeters who cost us all that money, which I describe here.
Yeah, funny how that works, huh? WellPoint IS Senator Max Baucus.
Yeesh. They don’t even make any real attempt to hide it, either.
But seriously, it seems like we the people should consider our own corporation. I’d like to see it invest in the kinds of sustainable/thrivable business which we so badly need, each of us kicking in the cost of a coffee or two.
I’ve had repeated arguments with my friends in the UAW over the last decade; UAW reps would tell me, “We’re a valued partner, GM/Ford/Chrysler told us so.” And I would try at first to explain it to them gently, and then more forcefully over time, that the ONLY valued partner at any corporate table is one which holds a considerable ownership interest in the business. The UAW should have acquired through ownership a level of power equivalent to CalPers, able to halt other corporations in their tracks and make the market move as desired. They could have done it years ago, but no, they did what they’ve always done. They brought knives to gun fights.
Valued partner my ass.
Ditto for us. We the people own the government, but title has been co-opted by corporations. So we become a corporation and we take the title and the power back. Wouldn’t happen overnight, but we could do it.
As you say, corporations were once restricted. Thanks to Delaware, restrictions fell victim to the race to the bottom. The level of regulation is minimal at best.
Just pure unadulterated CLASS ENVY. You would sell your soul to be one of the executives who uses his intellect and exemplary skills to keep a corporation – any corporation – fully functioning and improving the quality of our lives in America. Capitalism is at the very core of our great nation. You use the by products of the free market system from the instant you open your eyes in the morning until you close them at night. What pathetic hypocrites. You manipulate the market, put arbitrary caps on income and you are on the fast track to socialism and a third world quality of life. And if that’s your deep yearning catch the first flight out and good riddance.
In the BAC/SEC case, the judge was angry at the SEC lawyers because they didn’t even try to hold BAC to account. There was something like a $30 million penalty which was pissing change given the amount involved. We have these governmental entities that exist but don’t do anything. Moynihan once asked why we needed the CIA whose core mission was knowing what was going on in the USSR if it was caught completely flatfooted by its break up. If you go through the CIA’s history, it has been a negative. It has missed, with the exception of missiles in Cuba in 1962, every major development on the planet over the last 50 years. It has engaged in torture and engineered coups in countries around the globe, all of which have invariably come back to haunt us. So why does it continue to exist?
We can ask the same about the SEC. Along with the rest of government, it did not see the wild crony, casino capitalism going on all around it. It didn’t see Bernie Madoff running a transparent Ponzi scheme right in front of them for decades. The BAC is just another in a long line of examples. So here too we should ask why does this entity exist?
Amen.
You people live in your own naive little world. Maybe you’ll grow out of it.
Hysterically funny. Did you make up that crap or copy it down from somewhere else? Any fuck on the planet could run a company nowadays if he/she had the trillions in government backing that the current crop of Wall Street bandits has had. You did notice, although maybe not, that we have had the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and it was created by exactly the same [Edited by Mod. No name calling] who spouted nothing but “free markets” all day everyday.
I agree Hugh! Free Markets work only when they are well regulated and the same goes for Corporations. There should be NO protection for those who run these Corps. When they break laws those who made those decisions should be criminally prosecuted, never mind these fines and crap. Or maybe if a corp breaks the law they should be disbanded and their charter revoked. That would wake all of them up and then they might be good corporate citizens. And this whole 1st amendment rights is totally wrong!! But for a fuck up by a clerk of courts there would be none!! But we know that St Roberts of SCOUTUS will divine that they have real person-hood and spend money in OUR election process….
You know, you have NO idea who you are talking to when you go off on your little rants.
I live in the investment class, and I can see exactly what’s going on.
By the way, my comment at (10)? Exactly what they taught me in business school, almost from the textbook.
And I can tell you that even members of the investment class have been scratching their heads when they get their taxes done, wondering why they aren’t getting nailed more heavily. Oh, they aren’t going to say anything out loud except to others in their class. They’ll just take another vacation to Aruba.
Now if you have something constructive to add, by all means continue. But if you’re going to go off with another of your class warfare comments, you are over your head.
Sometimes the biggest changes occur with a small victory .
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/06/15-1
Evidently you have sold your soul.
LOL friend , the CIA for instance has overthrown virtually every attempt in south America at democarcy which IS the they are poor in the first place . In a joint press conference with Chile’s president Obama says this:
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Actually, Ben, I’m going to make an exception. We’ll get one question from the Chilean press. How’s that?
Q Mr. President, yes, I’d like to ask you, I realize that your agenda is moving forward. But I’d like to ask you, President Bachelet in a previous trip to the United States made echo of an old joke: “There’s never been a coup d’état in the United States, because there’s no American embassy.” The point being that almost –
PRESIDENT BACHELET: That was a joke from an American guy. (Laughter.) I just said it was a good joke.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yes, it is. (Laughter.)
Q The point being that almost no Latin American nation has been free from CIA — bloody CIA intervention, Chile being a prime example, President Bachelet being one of its victims. Is it time for a historical apology?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, look, I think you answered your own question right at the beginning, which is I’m interested in going forward, not looking backward. I think that the United States has been an enormous force for good in the world. I think there have been times where we’ve made mistakes. But I think that what is important is looking at what our policies are today, and what my administration intends to do in cooperating with the region.”
Allow me to point out that Michelle Bachelets father was tortured to death and both she and her mother were tortured !
Presently in S. America the US gives a free pass to the Honduran coup leaders trained at the school of the America’s , the secretary of states former campaign manager Lannie Davis represents the wealthy business community there and the US military stations itself in Colombian bases having seemingly been directly involved in a coup attempt in Venezuela !
In Mexico city recently the president said this : “the same critics who say that the US has not intervened enough in Honduras are the same people who say we are always intervening and the yankees need to get out of latin America .You can’t have it both ways “.
Disingenuous at best !
Get a heart .
SCOTUS……………….The ASSES of EVIL
Next thing you know,the uber Reichwingers will be incorporating embryos to obtain “personhood” status.
So if money is the same as speech for corporations, are they going to give corporations the vote, too? And how would that be handled: by a majority vote of the shareholders, or by the directors, or just an order from someone in the mahogany-panelled offices?
They ought to think things all the way through when they’re looking at this stuff, and not take the first answer that looks halfway reasonable.
Hello to you and grimaud. I’m not sure which world the two of you occupy, however, it is for certain that eventually there will be equality for all, as death is the great leveller, and it will not matter one bit what position you occupied in this life. Perhaps there is a life after death, perhaps not, but either way your arrogance will only last until you exit this existence. Have a nice day!
LOL well said Gabriele…
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Thank you for printing the soliloquoy from Network.
This is so synchronistic,it’s eerie….
I was just this a.m.telling my spouse that there are no longer any nations,just corporations-with nations as name-branding,Like the silks for racehorses,or the logos on NASCAR driver’s suits.
I question the multiple nations as name-branding, though.
Nearly a decade ago, while I was working for a multi-national corporation with subsidiary corporate operations around the world, I spoke with a person who was here on a green card from an Asian country about the subsidiary there in his home country. He hoped to learn much here to take back while working for the subsidiary firm.
We were not seeing eye to eye about a corpo-political issue at some point…but then he explained to me that he was not working for an Asian firm, that no one in Asia would see him as working for an Asian firm, no matter how many Asians there were on staff, where it was incorporated or what products they made for the Asian market. It would always be an American firm, period.
Scales fell away from my eyes. There are very few corporations which aren’t American, when one sees it from this perspective. Oh, there are Japanese and German and other corporations, but combined they do not equal the number and size of American corporations.
And ultimately, this Asian chap was really looking for a way to become American without having to become a citizen.
Speaking of amoral and irresponsible stewards,remember Sir Allen Stanford?Check this out:
Miami’s Ex-DEA Chief Charged with Shredding Documents for Allen
Miami Herald
The former chief of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s Miami office who led the agency’s cases against infamous Panama strongman Manuel Noriega and Medellin cartel kingpin Fabio Ocho, was indicted by a federal grand jury Thursday Sept 10, 2009 for ordering the shredding of records once belonging to disgraced banker Allen Stanford.
Tom Raffanello, who emerged as Stanford’s worldwide security chief after leaving the DEA five years ago, was charged with ordering workers to destroy thousands of documents just days after government agents shut down the banking empire in a massive fraud case.
Prosecutors say the records, once kept at Stanford’s security office in Fort Lauderdale, were hauled away in a 95-gallon bin in February after a federal judge ordered that no company paperwork be destroyed.
The 61-year-old former DEA chief said he was prepared to turn himself over to federal agents Friday on charges of conspiracy and obstruction.
“No one is sorrier than me that it came to this — after spending 32 ½ years working for the government,” he told The Miami Herald. “But I’m prepared to fight this. I still believe in the system.”
The indictment of the highly decorated former agent is the latest in a series of charges against Stanford and top lieutenants accused of stealing more than $7 billion from investors in a spectacular Ponzi scheme.
~~~~~~~~~Link to follow
Thank you for clarifying this matter. I greatly appreciate this explanation,you have done an excellent job.
@44
Miami’s Ex-DEA Chief Charged with Shredding Documents for Allen Stanford
(What Really Happened website)
Thank you for your reply.I suppose it’s the reality vs. perception,to some degree.And if you are on the inside looking out,OR the outside looking in.
These distinctions with a difference certainly become manifest regarding corporate tax avoidance.
I have written before about Lucy Komisar and her yeoman’s work on global corporate corruption.
You might want to take a look at the Tax Justice Network. One of her affiliations,tracking the political implications on publicy policy,by global corporations-and the ensuing poverty that many of these tax avoidance strategies engender.
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Actually, Philip Roth beat you to that with “Our Gang”, his Nixon satire, in which it’s proposed that fetuses be given voting rights. Maybe worth looking into!
Who controls the stock price influences health insurer CEOs who influence lawmkers to try and stop reform and to try to derail & destroy Obama.
Therefore, the Rich who own stock are trying to destroy Obama.
Probably the same Rich who own the banks who have raped America.
A day of Judgment for those who keep harming America needs to arrive soon.
Just a nit to pick at: his mother was White.
Arthur Jensen [bellowing]:
That was one of THE best movie rants/speeches EVER.
The idea that on the one hand you have the t.v. guy Beale who gives a fair to middlin’ rant of his own and then just when you think the movie is made along comes the unknown gray corporate “suit” and there’s this astounding bellowing rant which shakes you to your knees. It’s awesome.
Too bad there is no other movie which continues that theme with God-like rants which each top the previous one. Because certainly the final word should not be a rant which leaves us all mere Neos plugged in as corporate batteries. Maybe that’s why I like Matrix so well. It takes us over the top repeatedly in a quest for the Truth. That process, rather than any particular ‘truth’ is in itself enlightening and thrilling.
“Free your mind.” — some movie character named Morphius
The arrogance and stupidity that it takes to assume that when someone disagrees with you they must be on the Devil’s payroll is astounding.
If there’s been any class warfare in recent decades it has certainly been won by those in the health care/insurance industry and the financial sector. Don’t look at poor people losing their homes and say they’re class warriors. It shows your ignorance.
Yes. Exactly.
The Matrix was an examination about the nature of agency — do we have free agency, or are we merely agents of another kind, programmable like bots?
And I guess I personally don’t like it when a creation of the human mind, an agent, if you will, turns on humans and begins to feed on them. Corporations should remain tools of humans, and not gods to which we humans should subjugate ourselves.
In some ways the very problems we have with corporate entities and their near-personhood is opportunity to visit the Three Laws of Robotics:
We should ask ourselves whether the word corporation should not work equally wherever the laws refer to a robot; at some point we are going to be asking ourselves about these laws when it comes to the near-personhood of machines, why should we not entertain these questions now with virtual robots called corporations?
I don’t know, MarkH, grimaud @ 26 seems soulless from over here.
Sounds like the same problem with Bush, cheney, the DoJ and torture memos circle jerk.
“… group jail sounds good too.”
If one of my members, e.g. my right hand index finger, pulls a trigger and shoots someone, my whole self is going to jail. I don’t have a chance of making a prosecutor determine which of my members did it, it’s moot. If a corporation is a single individual, why should it matter if the lawyers did it or the bankers did it. Throw the whole “person” in the hoosegow. It’s not a group it’s an individual.
I’m sure the corporate lawyers have already shown why they get to keep their cake, and eat it too, this being a real live Alice in Wonderland kind of world. Why couldn’t the Teabaggers latch onto something like this?
I like the way you think. Yves Smith makes a similar argument here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com…..nial.html.