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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who is buying all these banks?  I worry that in the bigger picture we may wind up with a massive consolidation of bank ownership into a very small number of hands — Chase, BofA, Wells?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is buying all these banks?  I worry that in the bigger picture we may wind up with a massive consolidation of bank ownership into a very small number of hands — Chase, BofA, Wells?</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the comprehensive wrap-up, Peterr. Maybe the FDIC will have more success than anyone else so far has had in convincing the banks, at least, that since they’re going to have to take some losses it might as well be sooner, and shared, rather than later.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On related fronts, I see that Rep. Waters’ HFS Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/hr_090209.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hearing this past week&lt;/a&gt; to find out what the hold-up on mods under the Making Home Affordable Program has been. Seems that six months into the program, only 15% of the 2.7MM eligible have been assisted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At that hearing* HFS chairman &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.housingwire.com/2009/09/10/barney-frank-eyes-mort&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barney Frank expressed an interest&lt;/a&gt; in reviving attempts to restore the mortgage cramdown option to bankruptcy law. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is paralyzingly obvious that the cramdown is the only way to give the borrower a little leverage in the process, albeit costly leverage in that they’d have to declare bankruptcy. Therefore, of course, banks or other holders of the loan asset would then be forced to recognize a loss immediately, which is all you need to know about what the obstacle has been, against all common sense. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[rummage, rummage] Ah yes: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/09/mortgage-cram-downs-return.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here’s a recent post from CR on the subject&lt;/a&gt;, which is evidently one of the places where I saw mention of the possible return of cramdowns. There is also a link to an excellent article on the subject from CR’s late blogging partner Tanta, who was a mortgage industry pro.&lt;/p&gt;
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* I thought it was a different story, just found out in checking it that Frank’s remark was made at the hearing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comprehensive wrap-up, Peterr. Maybe the FDIC will have more success than anyone else so far has had in convincing the banks, at least, that since they’re going to have to take some losses it might as well be sooner, and shared, rather than later.</p>
<p>On related fronts, I see that Rep. Waters’ HFS Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity had a <a href="http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/financialsvcs_dem/hr_090209.shtml" rel="nofollow">hearing this past week</a> to find out what the hold-up on mods under the Making Home Affordable Program has been. Seems that six months into the program, only 15% of the 2.7MM eligible have been assisted.</p>
<p>At that hearing* HFS chairman <a href="http://www.housingwire.com/2009/09/10/barney-frank-eyes-mort" rel="nofollow">Barney Frank expressed an interest</a> in reviving attempts to restore the mortgage cramdown option to bankruptcy law. </p>
<p>It is paralyzingly obvious that the cramdown is the only way to give the borrower a little leverage in the process, albeit costly leverage in that they’d have to declare bankruptcy. Therefore, of course, banks or other holders of the loan asset would then be forced to recognize a loss immediately, which is all you need to know about what the obstacle has been, against all common sense. </p>
<p>[rummage, rummage] Ah yes: <a href="http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/09/mortgage-cram-downs-return.html" rel="nofollow">Here’s a recent post from CR on the subject</a>, which is evidently one of the places where I saw mention of the possible return of cramdowns. There is also a link to an excellent article on the subject from CR’s late blogging partner Tanta, who was a mortgage industry pro.</p>
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* I thought it was a different story, just found out in checking it that Frank’s remark was made at the hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know people who refinanced to keep their heads above water, because they had good jobs that went away - the first time in Bush41’s recession, then again in Bush43’s. They were doing okay until the market went poof; now, like a lot of people, their house is worth about 2/3 of what the mortgage is for. (The house next door to them is for sale/rent. The price on that started at 569k, last I checked it was 529k, and the previous sale was at 488k. It’s not a repo; they’re getting out because of other problems.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There aren’t the good jobs out there, if you’re middle-aged and already highly skilled. Companies will hire some people as managers, but mostly they don’t want people who have much experience. especially if you’re in a technical field, like computers, they want young and cheap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This might also be of interest:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrison12-2009sep12,0,1462693.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An interview&lt;/a&gt; with Phil Angelides.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know people who refinanced to keep their heads above water, because they had good jobs that went away &#8211; the first time in Bush41’s recession, then again in Bush43’s. They were doing okay until the market went poof; now, like a lot of people, their house is worth about 2/3 of what the mortgage is for. (The house next door to them is for sale/rent. The price on that started at 569k, last I checked it was 529k, and the previous sale was at 488k. It’s not a repo; they’re getting out because of other problems.)</p>
<p>There aren’t the good jobs out there, if you’re middle-aged and already highly skilled. Companies will hire some people as managers, but mostly they don’t want people who have much experience. especially if you’re in a technical field, like computers, they want young and cheap.</p>
<p>This might also be of interest:<br /><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-morrison12-2009sep12,0,1462693.story" rel="nofollow">An interview</a> with Phil Angelides.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They don’t need a job that compensates them at their former level, only one that compensates them at a level high enough to sustain their mortgage. If they were in a traditional mortgage, they’ve got a better chance of that happening than if they were in a “let’s play the numbers to get more house than we can reasonably afford” mortgage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for greed, I’m well aware of how the system works — I’ve got a degree in economics to go with my theology degrees. I went to school with some of these folks, and know precisely what motivates them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And so does Sheila Bair. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That press release doesn’t say “Gosh, let’s all help out the poor suffering homeowners.” It says “You’re in this for the money? Fine — but let’s review the facts: foreclosures are more costly to you in the long run than revising mortgages would be.” She appeals to their greed (or as they would prefer to say, “their trust in the market forces”), and dares them to run the numbers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they try this, and come to see that she’s right — they do make more money by reworking the loans rather than paying the lawyers, the court costs, the sheriffs, the county clerks, the real estate listing agents, and everyone else who gets a slice of the foreclosure pie — they might be more amenable to trying the same thing with people who have “exotic” mortgage instruments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Foreclosures aren’t cheap, and she’s trying to remind them of that — for everyone’s sake.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don’t need a job that compensates them at their former level, only one that compensates them at a level high enough to sustain their mortgage. If they were in a traditional mortgage, they’ve got a better chance of that happening than if they were in a “let’s play the numbers to get more house than we can reasonably afford” mortgage.</p>
<p>As for greed, I’m well aware of how the system works — I’ve got a degree in economics to go with my theology degrees. I went to school with some of these folks, and know precisely what motivates them.</p>
<p>And so does Sheila Bair. </p>
<p>That press release doesn’t say “Gosh, let’s all help out the poor suffering homeowners.” It says “You’re in this for the money? Fine — but let’s review the facts: foreclosures are more costly to you in the long run than revising mortgages would be.” She appeals to their greed (or as they would prefer to say, “their trust in the market forces”), and dares them to run the numbers.</p>
<p>If they try this, and come to see that she’s right — they do make more money by reworking the loans rather than paying the lawyers, the court costs, the sheriffs, the county clerks, the real estate listing agents, and everyone else who gets a slice of the foreclosure pie — they might be more amenable to trying the same thing with people who have “exotic” mortgage instruments.</p>
<p>Foreclosures aren’t cheap, and she’s trying to remind them of that — for everyone’s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: itwasntme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itwasntme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW Peterr, thanks for the unofficial list of troubled banks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Peterr, thanks for the unofficial list of troubled banks.</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“and have a reasonable likelihood of getting a new one in six months,”——this is really hope without any basis in reality. the probabilities are VERY high that if such persons do get a job it won’t be at the compensation levels they used to have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Appreciate the post and encourage you to keep posting but this “if Bair can get banks to toss their resistance to ANY kind of mortgage modifications out the window” is truly not cognizant of the greed that runs these institutions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hugh is ABSOLUTELY correct in stating “If we could see the banks’ books and evaluated their assets at mark to market prices, the whole financial sector would, almost without exception, be exposed as bankrupt.” AND meanwhile the perpetuators of the fraud that has occurred are escaping justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“and have a reasonable likelihood of getting a new one in six months,”——this is really hope without any basis in reality. the probabilities are VERY high that if such persons do get a job it won’t be at the compensation levels they used to have.</p>
<p>Appreciate the post and encourage you to keep posting but this “if Bair can get banks to toss their resistance to ANY kind of mortgage modifications out the window” is truly not cognizant of the greed that runs these institutions.</p>
<p>Hugh is ABSOLUTELY correct in stating “If we could see the banks’ books and evaluated their assets at mark to market prices, the whole financial sector would, almost without exception, be exposed as bankrupt.” AND meanwhile the perpetuators of the fraud that has occurred are escaping justice.</p>
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		<title>By: itwasntme</title>
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		<dc:creator>itwasntme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The banks are keeping a large number of their foreclosed homes off the market; it’s being called the “shadow market”. Banks are hoping that keeping a large number of homes off the market will keep the price of known for-sale homes high - at least this is happening in California a lot. Option ARMs and interest-only loans are now resetting and will continue for the next 3-4 years. How long banks will claim these properties as assets at full value I don’t know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People are not being evicted at foreclosure, sometimes spending a year or two in the homes, leaving them responsible for upkeep and taxes, so it pays for the bank to do this. Also, it might be the reason that bank vice president moved into the fancy palace in Malibu - free digs courtesy of the lender who just wants the place kept up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The banks are keeping a large number of their foreclosed homes off the market; it’s being called the “shadow market”. Banks are hoping that keeping a large number of homes off the market will keep the price of known for-sale homes high &#8211; at least this is happening in California a lot. Option ARMs and interest-only loans are now resetting and will continue for the next 3-4 years. How long banks will claim these properties as assets at full value I don’t know.</p>
<p>People are not being evicted at foreclosure, sometimes spending a year or two in the homes, leaving them responsible for upkeep and taxes, so it pays for the bank to do this. Also, it might be the reason that bank vice president moved into the fancy palace in Malibu &#8211; free digs courtesy of the lender who just wants the place kept up.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well yes, the FDIC is leveraging these buyouts this way and could be caught up short in the future just as we have seen other leveraged schemes do so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes, the FDIC is leveraging these buyouts this way and could be caught up short in the future just as we have seen other leveraged schemes do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Calvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruth Calvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very true.  Roubini was making an observation earlier to this effect on WSJReport, that we have to continue deficit spending and stimulus efforts, letting up now would precipitate a rapid descent into that double dip recession so many are dreading.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And as Peterr points out, loss sharing would be a great step in the direction of reviving our consumer economy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.  Roubini was making an observation earlier to this effect on WSJReport, that we have to continue deficit spending and stimulus efforts, letting up now would precipitate a rapid descent into that double dip recession so many are dreading.  </p>
<p>And as Peterr points out, loss sharing would be a great step in the direction of reviving our consumer economy.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t this then be a call on the guarantees that the FDIC has out there and result in the FDIC’s insolvency?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn’t this then be a call on the guarantees that the FDIC has out there and result in the FDIC’s insolvency?</p>
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