The NY Times has Pawlenty walking back the 10th Amendment stuff.

Of course he is, though I bet there’s still a “wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more” to the people he ginned up when he said it.

Governor Good and Pawlenty wants to have Minnesota referred to as a Southern state now too.

What a shameless dildo.

-G

Dickhead

Pawlenty is almost as out to lunch as Newt gingrich and his entreprenuer of the year award
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/11/gingrich-porn/

Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota.

Senate election, Pawlenty, Bachman, map of US from memory

Ain’t it great for your state to be so newsworthy?

I wonder what’s next—repeal the 13th amendment? Validate the Dred Scott and Plessy v Ferguson decisions? Maybe what Pawlenty and the other bizarre GOP idiots really want is a return to the antebellum South.

Say the health care plan which emerges actually brings down costs and stuff. I mean, imagine. For the sake of this commwewnt, OK? Will these 10th amendment assholes forgo those and any other benefits to the people of their states. It’d be Stimulus II where people like Palin wanted to pick and choose what they took

How can Al Franken be from the same state as Tinfoil Hat Michele and Smilin’ “I’m outta here” Tim?

And you hardly hear a peep about Paul Wellstone and Walter Mondale. Too bad.

Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!!!!!

“Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner!!!!!”

You just made me splurt out my oatmeal and fall out of my chair. Thanks a lot…

What about Jesse Ventura?

Startling footage of Moe Pawlenty re-enacting his favorite civil war scenes.

Uncivil warbirds.

-G

They don’t give a rats ass if reform brings down costs, and they don’t give a rats ass about the people in their state. It’s about defeating Obama at any cost. They know full well if reform passes and it’s worth a shit they will be irrelevant forever.

“…they will be irrelevant forever.”

We can only hope…

The NEO Confederacy of Dunces for the class war upon us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o

Completely off-topic Saturday morning diversion. I turned off the sound and just watched. Dang smart-ass..

Actually Dred Scott was born in Missouri but resided in, you guessed it.

Minnesota

see Ellison, Keith

Mornin’ All – heading out bbl

My great-great-grandfather, a member of the 43rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry Regiment, would know what to do to Gov. Pawlenty. He lost an arm in the Shenandoah Valley. And that was after being at Shiloh, and having been wounded during the Vicksburg Campaign.

He would have no tolerance for Pawlenty.

Maybe Pawlenty has some southern roots in his family tree.
It IS interesting that his choice for Education Secretary of Minnesota HAD worked for George “Macaca” Allen of Virginia prior to joining Polenta’s administration.

You GOTTA love the question she poses here:”Have you got your ox goad?”

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Mar 9, 2005 … Governor Tim Pawlenty. In all of these positions, played a key … time of fellowship and worship. …
http://www.intrinxec.com/fcbpwPUB0503newsletter.pdf – Similar

there is a Finnish verb, Teilata … which literally means “to break on the wheel” but is used to refer to the violent, fearful, reactionary rejection of progress, innovation and change… for the simple sake of doing so. Teilata kind of sums up what the rethug party is all about right now. Dems are the ones either pushing for progress (people like Jane, MoveOn, Harkin or Waters) or for dialing back the amount of progress at the behest of special interest groups to which they’re beholden (Baucus, Landrieu). Rethugs, on the other hand, are just violently resisting all change for the simple sake of that resistance… because reaction is all that they stand for.

Keentos! Blub

(Visited Finland Twice, wish I had their healthcare)

maybe we should offer rethug-led congressional delegations a bone: if they’ll drop their opposition, we will give their states the right to opt out from healthcare reform. Pawlenty, Perry, Jindal, Sanford, and anyone else can opt their states out of the program without prejudice and with no fiscal obligations for their taxpayers to fund it. It won’t really matter in the end: they’ll be there, either because they’ll think better of it and do their usual hypocritical thing, just like they did on the stimulus, or because their citizens will have overrun their state houses with torches and pitchforks.

Rethugs, on the other hand, are just violently resisting all change for the simple sake of that resistance… because reaction is all that they stand for.

Beg to disagree. The ‘Take Back America’ rallying cry is about more than just reaction, when what is taken back was won by fair election. Democracy isn’t working out for this mindset. When they promote rejection of the democratic system, it’s not reaction, it’s subversion.

probably true, but I would argue that teilata is still the active rationale behind their insurgency and sedition. Revolutions and rebellions are usually fought for a reason – a causus belli…. a coherent ideology (like the rejection of monarchical autocracy or the assertion of nationalism against colonialist occupation) or a specific outrage (like the Rape of Lucretia spawned the aristocratic revolt against royalty that led to the founding of the Roman Republic). Rethugs have yet to be able to articulate one… at least a supportable one… just a mishmash of vague fears, feelings of dread, political opportunism, and barely articulatable identity politics of race, religion, regionalism or whatever. Their subversion stands for nothing.

this is a good piece, but nothing about t-paw is complete without noting that MN corporate media is relentless – and getting worse by the day – in the grovelling, fawning nature of its coverage of their anointed one. It was all but unbearable during his VP run, yet continues to decline.

When I listen to the rank and file of the teabaggers, generally they rant on about the takeover of government and big government. While erroneous, they seem to take up the ‘issue’, that by serving the purposes of a government, the Dems are taking control. The previous administration struck down regulation and opened up our economy to abuse by the corporate world and, therefore, this is the theme the corporate sponsors of teabagging harp on. The ideology has been proved wrong, but the right wing cannot acknowledge that. The issue is a false one, but it’s behind the corporate wish to return control to the wingers.

He’s worth a mention but not in the same class as Wellstone and Mondale.

What about John McCain?

Call ‘im Tenther Tim and keep it stickin’ to him like Gorilla Glue.

Citizen foothillsmike:

Good point…the Minnesota DFL Party began to disintegrate in 1981 when the old “New Deal liberals” lost control and the young “centerists” like Walter Mondale’s son were scared to death of Reagan’s shadow…so a third party run marginalized the party and allowed a couple of self interested “players” like Al Tinklinberg to offer up Jessie Bullethead Ventura. The rest as they say is history. Pawlenty and the batshit crazy Republican Party that had had it’s ass whipped durin the 70’s won a couple of elections because the Independence Party split the vote and snookered the DFL for 10 years…Pawlenty posed as a “moderate” while keepin the lunatic fringe in the fold. I’m not sure that the DFL has it’s chops back yet though…Amy Klobechar is no “liberal” and Franken had to overcome not only the Independence Party but the knuckledragin’ pseudo feminists to win by a whisker. There is still lotsa work ta do in the Gopher State.

T-Paw’s a Tenther!

Yay. Let’s watch them out-crazy one another for the nomination — leaving only wise and rational Newt standing as the statesman at the end of their 2012 process.

Only because he was caught.

He was hoping that citing the Tenth Amendment would be less obvious to the non-wingnuts than talking about “states rights”. Unfortunately for him, too many folks are now clued in to the “Ten Amendment” code.

Save some of that scorn

Don’t waste it all on the tenthers. After you’re through heaping well-deserved scorn on them, you’re going to need some left over for the folks who wrote the 10th Amendment, the founders.

No, the tenthers’ idea that Congress can only do the specific things listed in Art I, sec 8, is indeed all wet. That list is the list of things Congress had the responsibility to provide for from day one. Not imagining that they lived at the end of history, they wisely left in a general specification, “to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States” to cover contingencies not on the specified list of particular duties and powers.

Great so far. The US Congress, the federal govt, is not only free to pass whatever laws seem best to provide for the common defense and general welfare, it has the positive duty to pass any and all laws that seem best to those ends. And, look, over in Art VI we get the comforting confirmation that we indeed have but one govt in this country, when the Constitution and acts of Congress are made the supreme law of the land, and then, in the next paragraph, requires every officer of every state govt, including our Pawlenty, to be bound by oath to uphold the Constitution that makes the acts of Congres the law of the land.

Great. One country, one governmment — sounds like a plan. But then we have the 10th Amendment. It says that all powers not delegated to the federal govt, or specifically denied to the states, are reserved to the states or the people. Hunh? Look, we already have the 9th Amendment to make clear that the failure to enumerate a right of the people in the first eight amendments doesn’t mean that no such right exists, so it’s not clear why “the people” need protection in this amendment. We’re clearly talking about some sorts of governmental powers here, or reserving any of them to the states makes no sense. But that reservation means one of two things when set against Art I, sec 8. Either the tenther stand is correct, and Congress only gets to do the things specifically enumerated, with the states claiming any other govt function not enumerated, or the language about the common defense and general welfare is intended as an escape clause, itself a specified power/responsibility but one so general and so broad as to mean anything not specifically denied Congress by other provisions of the Constitution. But if that latter interpretation is correct, why have a 10th Amendment?

Sure, the tenthers are hypocritical assholes, and sure, if you take their reading of the 10th, then nullification at least, and probably secession, are as constitutional as church on Sunday. While I agree 110% that that’s no way to run a railroad, I can’t for the life of me make the 10th read any way other than to say that we have divided sovereignty, and are not really one country with one government. It’s not there for nothing, it was put there to mean something, and the way we sane people have resolved the contradiction, that in actual practice we go by Art I, sec 8 and take the “general welfare” language as an escape clause, makes the 10th into nothing.

Look, the founders had their virtues. But they punted on this one. Whether out of a foggy idealistic faith that divided sovereignty could actually be made to work without recurrent civil war, or whether because of the frank political calculation that they would never get the formerly independent states to take the plunge into one, new state formed by combination, but that they had to leave in sops to state power to get all the states to sign on, or some combination of these reasons — any way you slice it, they left us with an irresoluble contradiction here.

But hey, at least the 10th isn’t the worst such contradictory concession to divided sovereignty. That honor goes to the Right of Rebellion they embodied in Art IV, sec 4 and the 2d Amendment.

Ex-friggin’-exactly. Repukes do this all the time; Throw the raw meat to the intended crown and take it back in front of the latte sippers and wine drinkers. Remember Shrub doing this in 2000 when he first refused to meet w/ the Log Cabin Repugs then on Saturday afternoon reversed. Perfect Rove