As you may know, there’s a psychiatric condition known as Münchausen syndrome by proxy, one of the manifestations of which can be loosely defined as putting someone or something else in jeopardy so that you can be a hero by "saving" it.
For obvious reasons, this came to mind as I watched a surprisingly reinvigorated Barack Obama give his speech to Congress on Wednesday night. As columnist E.J. Dionne wrote for the Washington Post:
After a listless summer during which his opponents dominated the health-care debate… it seemed as if a politician who had been channeling the detached and cerebral Adlai Stevenson had discovered a new role model in the fighting Harry Truman.
Then again (though I know I might be inviting sneering about "multi-dimensional chess" and the like), there may have been a method to the seeming madness of Obama’s lackadaisical summer attitude toward healthcare reform. A New York Times story a few days ago navel-gazed about how Obama has attempted to learn lessons from the failure of Bill Clinton’s healthcare proposals in 1994:
That 15-year-old lesson underscores how much the Clinton debacle has defined Mr. Obama’s drive for his domestic priority from the beginning, providing a tip sheet for what not to do. Even Mr. Obama’s decision to address a joint session of Congress on Wednesday night to jumpstart his health initiative left some aides wary, given the inevitable parallels with Mr. Clinton’s September address 16 years ago to introduce his ill-fated plan.
I can point out a key difference just from the numbers in the quote above — Clinton’s speech was in September 1993; his reform bill died nearly a year later.
Obama quite likely concluded that the momentum from a single speech (particularly given the ever-shortening modern news cycle and attention spans) couldn’t possibly last an entire year. It could, however, trigger a short legislative sprint of two months or so.
Thus the now-obsolete insistence earlier this year on a health bill by August wasn’t really intended to get a bill by August; rather, it was intended to provoke enough movement that a bill by Thanksgiving would be in striking distance. (The declaration in the spring of an October 15 target date for invoking reconciliation is further evidence of this.)
All this, of course, leaves open the question — which, you might have noticed, is being pressed here almost hourly — of what kind of bill Obama hopes to pass with this last-minute rescue effort. To go out really far on an optimistic limb, think about the president’s especially Münchausen-like treatment of the public option, which has been not merely thrown under the bus but tied to railroad tracks, hung over the edge of cliffs, and subjected to every other imaginable sort of peril in news reports. And yet Obama continues to include it, at least nominally, in his proposed legislation.
Everyone who understands how important a public option is to successful healthcare reform feels terribly jerked around by now. But then, the corporate-owned "centrist" types who have balked at a robust public option are probably feeling the same way about Obama’s refusal to officially kill it. Like the old story of the carrot and the stick tied to the donkey’s back, the public option’s demise seems eternally just a few inches away, but never arrives.
Perhaps Obama is just waiting for the very last second to throw it away as a bargaining chip. But if I were one of those hacks centrists, I’d be very nervous about the resilient popular support for a public option tempting Obama to champion it in fall rallies, daring them to vote against it. As many other folks have observed, the momentum would be almost impossible for any politician, no matter how thoroughly bought off by the insurance companies, to resist.
Of course, that same possibility will make it all the more shameful if Obama really does surrender on the public option. But I’ve waited 15 years just to have hope again, so I’ll cling to it for a few weeks longer.



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I just wish BO’s plan would be revealed soon. This is stressful.
Sorry, Swopa. I thought Obama was going to pull something out of the proverbial hat with the financial meltdown. And I kept hope alive in spite of all things rational. The significant result of that was massive rewarding of the perpetrators. Did I miss something? Still waiting. I just see amoral corporations who didn’t learn any serious lessons, except deregulation helped them pull off the “major crime of our time” as someone said. And made them all the more committed to keep on deregulating. And now they have corrupted the third branch, too, the SC so they can play the deregulation, help the top 3% of the population, game.
I see any “hope-waiting” time as giving corporatists more time to lock in their loopholes and massive perks in faux-reform which seems to be in bribery-drunk Washington the collective task of building a Trojan Horse for the insurance and drug corporations.
Do you think we can get Howard Dean to challenge Obie in the primaries in 3 yrs?
Bullshit. The fix is in, and the deals were sealed many weeks ago. Now, it’s all Kabuki: “Should I use the Blue Dogs as scape goats, or should I bait, switch, and declare the triggers to be victory, not the grand slam I was seeking but a slam nevertheless?” Ah, the difficult decisions modern presidents have to make.
However, if the esteemed wigwam (above) is not right, then I suggest we begin ticking this baby off in Friedman Units, like we’re doing our wars.
Oh come on, do you really believe this? Jesus Christmas, it is so clear to everyone not heavily invested on the “public option” that Obama has gone with a federal role via mild regulations in health care, and not a big public program approach. And, he didn’t plan this all out fantastically. He thought everyone would get on board with a moderate approach, and that conservatives wouldn’t fight it much because there is a lot in it they would propose themselves. Waiting for a viable public option to somehow magically materialize, or for Obama to suddenly demand one at this point, is like waiting for waiting for Elvis to appear.
Given that MSbP is more often defined as making an other sick in order to gain attention or sympathy, rather than to play hero, I’m afraid I am going to have to be on of those folks who accuse you of being an 11th dimension chesser with this frame.
And you really gotta crave attention to want to be president. . . . Just sayin’.
I gotta lotta stresses.
Howard Dean will never be the nominee, in my opinion.
And, Bullshit comes in all shapes and words. Baby.
I don’t want to be President. What’s that say about me?
Hi, Gregg.
I would like to inject a slightly contrary position. I think that Mr. Obama has learned where the levers of power really lie in this country; the power of compromise. It is built into the Constitution, to prevent any one side from garnering too much power. I would suggest that he has also learned that compromise can be defined as leaving everyone a little bit dissatisfied in the end. I am hopeful that he has at least made much more progress towards getting SOMETHING out of the Congress, and the speech certainly revitalized my hopes that we’ll have health reform this year. But, only time will tell…I fully understand and share some queasiness over Mr. O’s previous compromises (e.g., continuing Bush’s secrecy policies). He may surprise us all in the end…or not!
Only slightly OT.
Last night from Ray McGovern, 27 year CIA veteran.
And you can’t pull off the simultaneous adoration of both populace and corporatists at the same time. Well, not for long, anyway. Sadly, maybe just long enough to blow this generation’s opportunity to seriously do the “common good” and bring universal humane and affordable health care to all Americans. Obama “traded down” when he surrendered the people’s mandates for the corporate ones. At least spiritually. Great salesman, though. Change you can believe in? He ran on “change” and the status quo is now being tweaked for the worse not better. Change. And yet he asserts that the citizenry can’t abide changing what they have, even though they don’t know what they have is potentially “not so much”, those that even have that.
He could sell snow to Eskimos. (Before climate change makes that statement no longer ironic.)
Hi ghost. Since we’re OT, and it’s kinda slow anyway, I was thinking about you today and your need to include 9/11 into every single thread. I was wondering what drives you to this. Your personal experience seems to have pushed you to the point of bringing up a topic, even when many ask you not to, to the point where pushing some particular button seems stronger than whatever other topic is being discussed.
Please don’t think that most here at the Lake are not aware that there is something underlying in the government that wants to keep a lot of information a secret. Most here are highly skeptical about the information shared with us from the government. And, I think most people here care about humanity.
I’m just wondering that if you shared what keeps you on this topic that folks here might be open to what you have to say about that event.
Bullpoop. As a Montana wag said recently, “The kind of health care reform we will get will be as worthless as tits on a boar”. But it may be worse. It may force people to buy junk insurance which will set off liberals and conservatives. We may have that uprising yet.
The Obama speech writers crafted that speech to herd the progressives and liberals into the corporate chute. Like all his speeches and his 2nd book, he uses “on the one hand we are this” “but on the other hand we are that”. But they added a “Fightin’ Obama” to the speech. He tried on the tough guy outfit like David Michael Green says but didn’t fit well for many. Obama Tries on the Uniform
Then the Versailles media machine pumped out glowing reviews like Dionne’s and compared him to Truman, of all people. Maybe some of these columnists are such weenies that they actually believed that Obama morphed into Michael Corleone before their very eyes. But I agree with wigwam that this is all Kabuki theater. It all seemed staged including the Addison “Joe” Wilson outburst. They all have their parts to play in this managed democracy.
Hi Demi!!!
put 10/10 on your calendar for the next meetup up here… hope ya can make this one!!
I’m not sure whether PBO is sticking to a strategy, or improvising. Actually now that I frame it that way, the strategy would be driven by maximizing the administration’s overall achievements in the whole term(s), and whatever maneuvers the health reform project take would be more like tactics. So maybe the painful-to-us wiggles we’re seeing — like playing psychology as Swopa suggests — are just tactical improvisation.
Oh, hi, Nahant. 10/10? Sheesh, dude. My daughter’s getting married on 10/3. Besides the two part time jobs that I’m still Learnin’ On, and music/concerts here, and the kiddo starting school – the good news on that is he’s in Honors Biology – honey boy, as much as I totally appreciate the invite…I plan to be in a coma on 10/10.
And, if anyone want to donate a doobie for that, …I know, I know. I’ll stick to my tea.
Games addicts and coaddict personalities play, “look how hard I am trying.” It is a passive and evasive game, to deflect their own responsibility. Obama playing this game. Congress plays this game. Corporate media acknowledges this “kabuki” (as said above) game as if it is true. Hypnotize the public to a sense of learned helplessness who long ago dismissed universal health care as its civil right, universal health care that an awesome number of other countries already enjoy and thrive on. Settle for croutons after crumbs. Though I suspect in many cases the croutons will crumble to even smaller crumbs with the loophole ambushes in this 1000+ page bill that will devastate Americans one tragedy at a time.
Using the excuse that the public are paranoid about government-run health care reform is our block is not our true block. It is the excuse block that is enflamed by the wedge-issue corporatists and radio shock jocks, and can be conveniently used by the progressive sell outs or minimalists on serious reform when all is said and done, as Congress counts their enormous bribe money and aims it for further do-nothing Congressional terms and the gamesmen congratulate themselves on the croutons and Pyrrhic victories and the tiny, tiny group of true statesmen mourn.
Obama never had a round table, never letting single payer folk to the table. And then saying the time of “bickering” is over. That he is open for rational communication at this point. That is crazymaking and insulting to the people he shut out. And any complaining about that are “bickering”? Don’t focus on his talk, focus on his walk.
Oh well next time and good luck on ALL the things happening in your family/work life!!
Especially congratulations on your daughters marriage (:>)) We were just back in the Boston area for two weddings of my nephews in August… We had a great time and in between we went up to Maine and then over to New Hampshire. We also visited Nahant!! Which was great to touch bases with my home town and visit the cemetery where all my fathers/ancestors are buried!!
I’m not so sure Obama is going to throw the Public Option under the bus.
I think I just heard Sen. Ben Nelson on NPR say that he would vote for a bill with a public option of it came down to that. Certainly a change in position, from “no” to “I don’t know” to “maybe” to “well alright, once I read the bill.” This from a Sen who is conservative as Dem Sens get.
If that’s so, then the PO is in a lot better shape than faint hearts think. I clearly heard Obama say that he was for a PO, but would accept some other plan, no matter what you called it, that achieves the same purpose of choice and competition. Thing is, there is no other plan that does this.
Of course he can say that now. It clearly isn’t going to come down to that. My Lawd, wake up people.
Nelson’s recent comments are what I was thinking of when I referred to centrists getting nervous.
Some of the defeatism, I think, is “hippies” being so tired of getting punched in the face that they punch themselves in the face, just to get it over with.
Well as long as everyone else is piling on . . . Seriously, we should know by now that Obama gives a good speech. But the content is always substantially less than the rhetoric. Even so, there remains this tendency for people to hear what they want to hear in it and make excuses for Obama. “He really does support the public option and this is all a double inside out feint within a feint. See? See?” Experience however says otherwise. Whatever Obama’s words his actions make clear he stands with the corporations, not with us.
You have to keep in mind that the odds are that the public option is going to be killed in conference. But even if it survives into the final bill, it will be less than a tenth the size of the original Hacker proposal. It will be delayed until 2013, limited to the currently uninsured, untethered from Medicare, more expensive, less competitive, in other words a sick joke.
ps. A little help if ya got the time and inclination?
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8026
Valid question, demi, thank you for asking. I began typing an elaborate reply, but then I retracted it. I will give an abbreviated reply, and I will explain why.
It is understood that the folks here care about humanity, and that they are aware that there are elements of the government are operating clandestinely. I appreciate that, and I have deep respect for all who participate here, even the occasional troll who adds to the merriment. However, this site is not merely a social network, it has the potential for being a vehicle for social change. There is a strong opposition to the type of social change that folks here would like to see implemented. That oppostion is quite formidable. It knows how to and is capable of rigging any game it plays. Competing against such an opponent by showing all one’s cards is not a successful strategy. For that reason, I prefer not to describe to you my method. Hope you’ll understand.
doesn’t paint a pretty picture about his character now, does it?
A California Blue Dog named Schiff (sp?) said on the radio program “On Point” a few days ago that a public option was critical to ensuring competition that will result in lower premiums, or words to that effect. What he did not say is what shape the public option must take to accomplish this task. Senator Nelson fails in this same regard.
I disagree with you because I can conceive of no way to ensure competition in a closed market than through a public insurance option. This “triggers” stuff is pure fantasy. No “trigger” will ever be pulled by any corporate Democrat and they all damn well know it. “Triggers” is just boob bait for the bubbas in the party.
Anyways, you might want to mosey over to the baselinescenario.com and read the short post by James Kwak on the latest decline in employer-based insurance. The whole premise that employer-based health insurance is the model for the future would seem to be in serious doubt, and this bill will, I think, be a substantial health insurance as an employee benefit killer or, if mandated, a jobs killer.
We should keep demanding to know what all the reform will cost using this employer-based insurance model and how much it will increase the financial burden on both employees and employers and the cost of the proposed subsidies to the federal treasury. I think you will see that either a tax increase or domestic spending cuts, or both, are in the works. Or, to put it differently, to vote for a bill absent a public option (and I assume Medicare will not be utilized) is to simultaneously vote for a tax increase or domestic spending cuts, or both. They are interconnected whether the Blue Dogs understand that reality or not.
Personally, I would prefer to see any increase in federal income taxes or cuts in domestic spending be undertaken for broader economic purposes than promoting even greater consumption of overpriced and underperforming American health care.
Maybe.
Even so, if a public option is passed, and somehow I think it will be, (call me crazy or whatever) and it is not as robust or as immediate as we would all like, it’s still going to be a game changer.
First, given the hopefully cohesive strength of the Progressive Block, it will have to be in the House bill. I think it may get weakened in conference, but it will not be taken out. Once it is law, however restricted, it will not be removed, because however partial or lame it will be it will be used and liked by the public, just like Medicare is, and dumping it will be political poison. From there on out, it just gets more and more inclusive and stronger. All the fixes, and there will have to be many, will be towards the end of getting it to where it really should have been at first, but was deemed, rightly or wrongly, as politically impossible today.
This may take five or seven or ten years. I know that sucks, but its been fifteen years since Clinton’s plan was shot down with no progress at all and fifteen years from now we might be well on the road to if not total single payer, at least a large portion of health care handled in that manner. This is exactly what the R’s are afraid of, and why they so vociferously oppose it. If I’m right it will suck to be them.
Huh?
You disagree with me but say the same thing I did, namely there is no other plan that does this.
Although I’m not as certain that any surviving PO will be *that* useless, I think there’s an important point here about the central battle in the HC debate.
What makes sense in an ideal world is a single-payer system. What sensible people want (or should want) from the current debate is a bill that puts us on a slippery slope toward single-payer — via a public option that is the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent of the private HC insurance system.
Not having been born yesterday, the private HC insurance lobby is fiercely determined to avoid this, and they have the $$ to influence the views of somewhere between several and a couple dozen Democratic senators on this issue.
So even if you assume they don’t own Obama as well (and clearly, many folks assume they do own him), the probable scenario for passing HC reform involves a public option that at least some otherwise corporate-owned Dem senators believe (or can plausibly tell their HC industry donors they believe) isn’t a threat to the private HC industry. Which means that it won’t be very robust, or at least that its robustness will be well disguised.
In other words, someone’s going to have to be convinced they’re fooling the other side, and it’s going to be close enough that we won’t know right away who’s right.
I am not punching myself in the face. No need for that, I am married.
As Morticia Addams said to Gomez, “Don’t torture yourself, darling, that’s my job.”
Swopa, great minds (you and I, obviously) think alike.
If we’re right, and it is the insurance cos that get punked, then this sneaky shit is the genius of Obama.
Well, I’ll reserve “genius” accolades until (1) he passes something and (2) we see what’s passed.
Remember James Carville’s comment after Clinton won in ‘92 about the geographical “lock” that the GOP was supposed to have on the WH back then (largely because CA tended to vote Republican)? He said, “We didn’t break the lock, we just picked it.”
It won’t be “genius” for me if Obama passes a weak public option that “picks the lock” and narrowly puts us on a slippery slope that will pay off years or decades from now. If he finds a way to stoke popular support at just the right time to catch the HC industry off guard and force a genuinely robust public option down their collective throat… *that* will be genius, in my book.
Thank you for you response. And, no worries, it’s not for me to understand. I do, however, honor your right to have your own stategy.
I also understand that this is not merely a social site.
I have my own strategy as well.
I’m glad that you feel welcome to make your comments. I’m also glad that you backed down this morning when Christy asked you to do so. That showed character.
David Swanson on the HC position reflected in O’s speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Bz5DSQWto
I’m afraid that I agree on all points. As a boomer, I guess I suspected deep down this might be coming since Nixon.
Nelson said on NPR Friday, as well as earlier this month, that he would support the public option with triggers, as long as the rest of the bill is acceptable.
He has never committed to supporting the PO without the triggering mechanism. Unfortunately.
I can’t believe you are willing still to think that Obama is a sneaky progressive who is playing a long game of immense subtlety, when you have zero evidence of this and every reason to think that he’s a conservative who thinks the problem is that the system is a bit too expensive and not that it’s utter shit. What does he have to do? Pilot the planes that bomb Afghanistan himself? Personally lock the cages you are keeping innocent people in? Be caught buying a million shares in Big Bank Inc? I mean, what? What would it take for you to accept that he doesn’t want a weak public option to fool anybody, he wants one because that’s what he’s been bought to deliver?
It is clear now that the health care debate has been a race for the payoff jackpot. Obama will make sure Democrats share in that bonanza. Obama will sign off on any piece of slop Republicans, conservatives and the health insurance industry throw on his desk.
The disease Obama suffers from is split personality. He is two persons. The one who campaigns on change is totality different from the one who occupies office. His second personality is obsessed with 2012 and is willing to do anything that brings him victory in that year. He has deserted his base because he’s certain that personality one will bring them back into the fold.
Personality two is weak and seeks to avoid confrontation at all cost. “Hey, look at me,” it says to the money, “I’ll sign any laws you need me to.”
Republicans and conservatives control Obama’s agenda. Sadly, if they wanted him to appoint Rush Limbaugh to the Supreme Court he would find a way to do it.
Another wasted vote for a Democrat. I really thought this guy was progressive. But he is what DLC propaganda calls a “centrist”. That is nothing more than a right-wing, conservatative payoff money chasing Democrat.
The Dems and Repubs are having this football game.
The Repubs are short of players on the field and their team is scattered all over the backfield, no one on the line, playing the ball.
All the Dems have to do it run it straight up the middle——->
…but wait, they’ve dropped the ball and fumbled…
…no one’s piled on to recover, both teams are standing around (scratching themselves).
SOMEONE, PICK UP THE BALL AND RUN TO THE ENDZONE!!
talk about your leatherheads!!! Where’s our star quarterback, for crying out loud?!!?
I totally agree. We are being so inundated with the moment to moment garbage of a public option,no public option, an option with a trigger, no trigger, that we’re missing the proverbial big picture.
Look at everything this White House has done to date with regard to Bush/Cheney torture; transparency; the wars; the banks, corporations, insurance and PhRMA; caving in to the right wing crazies; throwing long-time friends and administration appointees under the bus to please Glenn Beck and the Foxes; caving in to Joe Wilson; playing bed partner with the Blue Dogs. All this adds up to one simple fact, Obama is a Blue Dog who wants to maintain an imperial presidency/Oligarchy. Obama does NOT want any bill that will cause the slightest discomfort to the insurance industry or PhRMA.
Obama lied and health care reform died! Sound vaguely familiar? Third Party is our only choice. We need to begin to look for candidates for that third party–TODAY.
Right on. I’ve been saying that for months, now. He’s a Blue Dog and always has been. We were punked.