Bob in AZ

The White House is doing everything it can to retain the imperial presidency: not looking Bush/Cheney torture; continuing, to a GREAT extent, the Bush policies; continuing rendition; more troops in Afghanistan; no real plan to withdraw from Iraq; executive signing statements; lack of transparency; ensuring the happiness and well-being of corporations, banks, insurance industry, and PhRMA; siding 100% with the Blue Dogs who are conservative Republicans in Donkey clothing; and, overall, presenting us with a President who looks as weak, if not weaker than W.

What does all of this get the American people? Answer, an Oligarchy that will shortly have any and all regulations removed and campaign finance reform thrown on the dung heap–helped by our newest Supreme, Sotomayor. Who brought Rahm in and bolted him to the floor? Who brought in Geithner and Summers and bolted them to the floor? Are we to believe that our Innocent, Young President didn’t know what he was getting himself into? Are we saying he still does not realize how wrong these individuals are? Just how ignorant is this young, supposedly brilliant, orator?

If, a public health care choice would keep the insurance industry and PhRMA in check,as many Public Option supporters are saying, then a THIRD PARTY, whether independent, green, or polka dotted, would be a great way to tell the phony “we’re the ones we’ve been waiting for” orator that we refuse to be punked again. We’re not just moving backward, we are becoming a serfdom and both the Democrats and Republicans are the landowners who are demanding their tithes and anything we produce on the lands they have and continue to grab from under our feet. We need to work to get rid of them all.

Punt that Baucus outta the caucus!

(Yes, I’m an NFL fan.)

they know who butters their bread ie lobbyists

they have to pretend to be for their voters to get the money to get the votes

they have thrown the progressives under the bus

progressives dump the demos and go independent and create a voting block

right now the demos take you for granted.

and many of you sent your money to the demos

told you so they would throw you under the bus months ago ok years ago

I’ll check out Howie Klein, but that still doesn’t change the fact that starting to be mean and tough isn’t something our most visible leaders can’t run with.

Again the point is that we are all complaining why we can’t heard cats on the democratic side, but its because we need our leaders to kick some ass.

I think a guy like Cenk Uygur gets this. You can’t rely on always taking the high road.

Do some research, then come back with a list of things you think Jane ought to accomplish, if you aren’t completely blown away by what’s been done hereabouts already.

My only point originally was that people like Jane, and Christy and Arianna do have real power. People do follow their work both here, facebook , twitter , the rachel Maddow show etc.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with them taking a page out of the Rovian political hit job play book and going at the knees of these capitulating democrats with a tire iron. Maybe they don’t have to use the Soprano’s style, but letting politicians know that they will be held responsible isn’t a bad thing.

I also think guys like Bill Maher have a point when they say that Obama needs to be more of an asshole.