Cha-Ching!

Mornin’ BT.

In memoriam. Eight years ago today.

Dickless Cheney and Twitchy Bush, The Hague ‘10

we have sunk so low,and we thought Saint Ronnie was bad…….

Thanks Joe, the best fundraiser the Rob Miller campaign could ever ask for !

The descent started with St Ronnie ,when the almighty dollar became everything when making money was the only thing that mattered ,and how you made it didn’t matter as long as you made it

And Andrew Card has the nerve to announce that he’s running for public office on this anniversary. Card at 0:28.

Check out the persons in free-fall from the towers.

Thanks for the memories, Dickless and Twitchy.

Jeebus, C-Span to have clown from Freedomworks on.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people vote only out of proud ignorance and perversity. I would guess a lot of Wilson’s constituents would rally to his support just to prove that, “No outsiders are going to tell us what to do.”

Oh no Nancy. There’s time to talk about Mr Wilson as well. MoveOn.org was condemned by congress over saying something much milder to a general and Wilson was one of those demagoguing in the pit. This guy just acted like a five year old in a joint session of congress AND he was insubordinate toward his commander in chief. If the Democrats can’t muster the balls to censure this guy then I hope the C.O. of the SC National Guard will put an official reprimand in his record.

But but but you don’t do product rollouts in August! Andy said so!

Get your rocks off watching people fall to their deaths, do ya?

Hear! Hear! I like to hope that the Obama administration is working with the Spanish government and others to bring the torturers to justice while not getting their fingerprints on it. That being said, I know that is a fantasy but it’s a comforting one.

I am a moderate Democrat, meaning that I voted for Reagan, Bush 41, Dole and Bush 43 twice,
and decided to visit this message board because I hurd that it was one of the better known leftwingnut message boards and thought that if there was any hope for reaching accross the isle, I could tell by reading the poastings and comments hear. I have been very dissapointed. The add homonym attacks on great Americans like Glenn Beck, Michael Steele and Joe Wilson (not the bad one) show me that there is no use in talking to you people.

Lord Boustany….”Charley”….almost killed a 2year old…………whats up DOC?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..28R,-LA%29

Nice to see ya, now go back under the bridge before the sun fries that one remaining brain cell. You might also use your time under the bridge learning how to spell.

YUP,and the band played on while Titanic sank

Good morning.

Interesting how some people introduce themselves to try to make friends. Got the day off to a chuckle.

did goopie ever try spellcheck..its FREI

Joe Wilson is the new George W. Bush in terms of fund-raising power. He’s got it all, Southern, white, and, well, a belief system more attuned to the 1820s. I’ve been thinking about what the Democrat official song should be, and now I have a another candidate:

Southern man
better keep your head
Don’t forget
what your good book said
Southern change
gonna come at last
Now your crosses
are burning fast
Southern man

You’re a Democrat who always votes for Republicans, meaning you’re not a Democrat.

Let’s try the sentence this way: “I’m a moderate Republican that voted for Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, and Gore, and there’s no sense in talking to you mean partisan Republicans.”

I am a moderate Democrat,….

To quote one of your role models, “You lie.”

Though no one but a ghost seems to care, the 9/11 criminals are still among us and preparing for future atrocities.

Dickless Cheney and Twitchy Bush, The Hague ‘10

Let’s try the sentence this way: “I’m a moderate Republican that voted for Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton twice, and Gore, and there’s no sense in talking to you mean partisan Republicans.”

BT FTW!

I think I may even call parody troll on this one — or some 12 year old playing hooky…

Anybody who voted for Bush 43 twice is NOT a moderate Democrat or any kind of Democrat. I could see voting for the chimp once if you live with your head in the sand but anybody still alive could see what a bigot and a failure Bush 43 was was by the end of the first term. Thanks for “poasting” your comments here after you “hurd” what a “leftwingnut” “message board” we are here but we already have our fill of posing concern trolls, thank you and most of them just a bit less transparent than yourself.

OK, pups, you do realize I was in parody mode, right?

Do they still have chat rooms with message boards?

Pffft! They neither understand spelling nor punctuation. Read Tha Daily Kos Saturday hatemailapalooza and it’s easy to see that most conservatives can’t be bothered with “librul” things like spelling, grammar and punctuation. Move to France if you want to speak the English language as opposed to the pidgeon dialect American English has regrettably become.

Riddley Walker reads FDL. This is excellent news!

Allan, you are a right wing extremist. So much so that I suspect there is some underlying reason for your posting to this site.

Heck, I don’t know. I outgrew them shortly before I outgrew aol back in the 1990s.

My apologies to allan if he was indeed in parody mode! I’m in just woke up mode and I haven’t spent enough time here to recognize a regular yet. Mea Culpa but you do it very well. :-)

Looks like only Marion saw that. But, then, after being labeled a troll the other night, maybe she has a newfound troll appreciation.
Marion. That was too, too weird. Actually, that event (maybe I’m making too much of it) gave me a new understanding of new folks who come here and say rude incorrect things. Thought you and others here handled it well.
(((Marion))) Kind of heart and provider of good breakfasts!

Thanks! That one the other night was just stupid and needed to be smacked.

Well, I thouught I had seen reasonable previous comments from you, but I’m still not sure I get the point. Just for verification, please answer the following:

The correct reference to the political party which opposes the goopers is:

a. the Democrat Party

b. the Democratic Party

And the Republican praise for Obama’s speech continues to roll in:

The Obama proposal is an “egregiously expensive and expansive form of government-run health care,” McCain said in an online letter to supporters.

C. 77% of the American people.

Looks like you reeled in a big bunch.

Last couple months we’ve been infested with ‘em more so than in the primaries and general. What blows me away is that we’ve got a couple who openly admit they’re trolls. What’s the reward? Attention? Gettin’ their jollies stirin’ the pot? Childish.

Yeah, again, I don’t know enough about the regulars here. I spent a lot of time on americablog until I found out what a bigoted asshole John Aravosis was and since then I’ve sort of been free floating through the blogosphere. Please feel free to point it out to me when I make an error in judgement. This person first comes off as a ridiculous concern troll and then claims to be in “parody mode” but then it seems that the regulars still believe him to be a winger. Maybe I’ll try to observe before jumping right in. :-)

The add homonym attacks on great Americans like Glenn Beck, Michael Steele and Joe Wilson (not the bad one) show me that there is no use in talking to you people.

You shoold see my add homonym attak on that lover of all things Hitler, Pat Buchanan. Certainly Buchanan and the C-Street Kristyuns can wership their beloved Fuhrer. Buchanan is on the tee vee every day without any kritisizm. Then the wingnutz accuse the Prezident of being a lying soschiolistic nazi. The hipokrisy of Republikan assholes!

I only knew it was a parody because everybody knows wingnuts are right handed. Wingnuts are the spinny thing that holds the aircleaner cover on the old chevy, right?

What’s the reward?

Not really sure, but I think it has something to do with simply pissing off people you disagree with. Childish in the extreme.

I don’t recognize the name so I’m gonna wait and see, although the swim is normally troll free. They don’t go on the clock until 9 or so.

Big question………ya think McCrazy EVER paid a bill,dont forget Mommy is 98and Cindy Lou is FILTHY RICH…..MEGANS American Express tab is 50K a month and Cindys was 700k iirc

Okay, that shows subtley and a sense of humor. NOT usually wingnut traits.

Wilson’s likely Democratic opponent in 2010, Rob Miller, who ran a surprisingly tough race against the incumbent in 2008, raised a stunning $500,000 $700,000 from 14,000 people by last night, House Democrats said.

that really is stunning

I wonder if the republicans are smart enough to figure out yet their continued use of rove’s advice will destroy them even more then it did these last two cycles, whence once a permanent majority, now they are relegated to the cracks in the floor

I wonder if their new strategy will be to compliment obama in the hopes of getting some of that money or at worst, keeping people from contributing to a democrat

rove/rush have been the demise of the republican party, they should have realized it by now but they have not and continue following the lead from those two

It’s a little like wandering through the Maine woods, in late October, in a deer costume.

That’s rich. *g*

I vaguely remember allan. After his initial post I went downstairs to get coffee, and was wondering about whether the comment came from a different person or whether someone new could register with the same screen name.

I refer to South Carolina affectionately as Redneck Central.

In South Carolina they think Joe Wilson is a rocket scientist.

In Wilson’s redneck of the woods they think a rocket is one of them thar thangs that they shoots up the air from Floridee. A scientist is someone who makes them thar thangs that shoots up in the air from Floridee.

Peaches that come from South Carolina are pretty good though. Imagine that.

I never met a South Carolinian I didn’t like.

I never met a South Carolinian. At least I’ve never met anyone who will to admit to that misfortune.

hahaha

I’d put Wilson in the loose cannon category. At least the $700K and counting might give this clown a clue and if the House can force him to apologize on the floor that will be doubly embarrassing for him. Ye shall reap what ye sow.

Good analogy. Speaking of hunting, my hunter friend won a moose permit in the VT lottery this year. It’s for the location where the most moose are bagged, so we have high expectations. He’ll share a bit of the bounty with me.

Dude, we can’t tell because 1) “allan” is a pretty common name, and 2) we can’t confirm your identify without administrative access to the back end of this site to check your IP.

If you’re the FDL regular allan, by now you should know that a /snark tag at the end of your post would have cleared that up for us.

Otherwise you are whacking a wasp nest with a stick for fun, or chumming shark-infested waters. We smell blood, you know?

edit, you caught me good allan but I want to keep my response even though you were snarkin me

Allan, you really aren’t serious are you?

I am a moderate Democrat, meaning that I voted for Reagan, Bush 41, Dole and Bush 43 twice,

you might have once been a moderate democrat but you cannot be and have voted for bush, dole, bush

it is possible you fell for the “moderate democrat” meme of the Reagan propaganda, making believe he was lowering taxes when in fact he raised them more then any peacetime president before him

claiming he was going to shrink government when in fact it grew more then any president before him

claiming he was for the middle class when he sent it into near extinction

ya, there were democrats who actually fell for that propaganda, they returned immediately to the party when they realized all the damage that president did, now being visited on us in the form of this depression caused by his depraved deregulation mantra

however voting for the presidents you voted for after you saw what happened under Reagan’s depraved thievery of middle class assets means you were no longer a moderate anything, you became a far right republican

sorry to break the news to you

The site won’t allow identical user names. The registration wizard catches it.

Several years ago, I had somebody following me from blog to blog, posting under my name but that was prior to the registration standards of today. It was awful and childish but pretty obvious who was me and who was the doppleganger troll.

By George, I think you’ve got it. I heard, somewhere, a bit of advice that helps. Something like As ye judge, so shall ye be judged. And, the reasoning behind that? How can we know what’s in another’s heart? We can’t really. Like walking in another’s shoes. That sort of thing. The other advice is Look Before You Leap. Hey, that would be a good Blog Site Handle.

Good morning, ma’am. A rare treat to see you at the swim.

That’s what I thought, which is why I was noodling on it when I was getting my coffee. Which is also why I prefer either to ignore or to respond obliquely. Just too much funny business can occur on the toobz.

you caught me good allan, holy crap…that made my day, thanx for the bait, let me get this hook out of my trap

sad news about JohnA…..dont post there enuf,to pick it up

Heh. First case of screen name identity theft I’ve heard of. What a drag. Glad to hear the doppleganger grew out of it.

I was just gonna comment that you must have skipped most the comments on the thread. *g*

I am me. Unless I renditioned the real allan and used EIT to force
him (or her?) to reveal his FDL password.
Sounds like a plot element in David Ignatius’ next CIA masterpiece.

The reward is derailing the conversation, pure and simple.

You’re seeing an influx because some of them are paid. Just watch how many drop off for the weekend. (One actually said they were leaving, see us Monday…)

If the conversation can be returned to the topic at hand in the process of response, readers might have a whack at them, but the goal is to ensure the conversation goes back to the topic of the post and not away from it.

Which is why allan had a rather classic troll post – he was attacking the community and not addressing the content of the post.

Personally, I voted for Reagan twice because I was young, deluded and in the military service. But at the time, I didn’t call myself a “moderate Democrat”, I called myself a “Republican” even though I had a wide Progressive streak. The last time I voted for a Republican was in 1992 I think and only for a Senator whom I greatly regret ever having supported. That’s why I always call bullshit on the people who claim to be Democrats but never vote that way.

Back in the chat room days I learned not to comment anywhere that didn’t have a registration wizard.

Just too much funny business can occur on the toobz.
==========================
some day ill tell ya my Gullable Glenda….story
i wear my heart upon my sleeve…and yes it s not teh smart

Good morning to you, too. Been spending a lot of my time working on research stuff and development projects, end up staying away from the Swim because it’s addictive to chat with you folks and I can’t get my stuff done.

But I need to clear my head this morning after too late a night, so I’ve taken a dip in the pool.

The troll who said he’d see us after the weekend is really sarcastic. Lot of anger in that dude. That’s 2 that I’ve seen with their anger hangin’ out all over the place.

Being a relative newbie to commenting, about a couple of years, I came in after the shakeout cruise, blessedly.

Oh, thank God. I just knew you had to be a left wing extremist, commie, socialist liberal.

Well, that’s better than being a Republican.

A terrific novel and great parable.

Oy. My imagination just made up a story to go with your hints. Hope it wasn’t too bad.

Old news about John A. I knew it from the days of the stopdrlaura.com and gayadvocacy websites but I was able to ignore it until his full throated support of a non inclusive ENDA and even going as far as to remove the “T” from his references to the LGBT community. You could probably still dig up his screed that he published on Salon.

Glad to see you here! Thanks for what you said the other night. It was much appreciated.

I don’t know that he grew out of it but I got him banned at ablog and crooksandliars so he eventually couldn’t get to me anymore.

Who is Ridley Walker? Never mind. I’ll go google.

i can barely remember what that was about……….Trex?…..aricept mebbe

Have you read Juan Cole’s blog this morning, http://www.juancole.com/2009/0…..230;pretty poignant commentary on two different visions of the way our democracy should function, dependent on you ideology?

Perhaps I missed something but can you tell me what has become of LHP? I miss her a lot.

it was awful,but a great learning experience….costly but…so it goes…i led a fairly sheltered life till then

That’s why I post so many “scroll” comments.

Go Rob Miller!!! I want to stay on topic. Derailment of subject equals payment.

Maybe you jest…but if you are charmed by Beck, then I do agree with you. Farewell.

Yes, there are at least two, but what appears to be sarcastic anger is often their biggest tool for derailing threads. If you have mod access, there’s ways to check on their likelihood as paid trolls.

critters make the best friends,they NEVER stab ya in the back…………..g

I’ve been wondering the same, man I miss her

I’ve always been fairly wary, but still have had some bad experiences after being too forthcoming. Hard lessons to learn, and not ones that make life more worth living.

true
its easy to derail

Someone pays trolls? Where do I sign up? /j

Saw some reference on C-Span to locals in Joe the butthead’s district that are calling him a hero.

Is it a big secret or hasn’t LHP outed herself and now blogs under her own name here?

it really does arm you though,and makes you more aware…so its not all bad,so howz da BEEZ?

He’s out of the closet now. See many comments between 13 and now, including my 58, which might make you chuckle.
BTW, how was that make over, you fabulous thing, you?

THEY LOVE EM SOME WHITE SHEETS AND MOONSHINE

Spill the beans, baby. Who?

SO…I wonder if Rove advised Card that now is roll-off time? Right in the wake of grief and respect for Ted.

Supplemental feeding of bee tea (pdf), about a gallon/week, so the poor dears can get thru the winter. The weather this year has been dreadful for them.

I’m just spec-a-latin’, and maybe we aren’t spose ta know. Like Santa.

On the other hand, in a thread like this one which is “safe”, we can have a little educational overview of trolling and effective approaches.

And on topic, wouldn’t it be groovy if a few more winger electeds’ heads exploded like Wilson’s did and we could raise big money for candidates in districts which are within 10 percentage points or less of the opposition?

More inappropriate outbursts. Please.

It would be best to allow the blogger known by the initials “lhp” to handle their status.

Ahem.

Christy is upstairs…

Well, allan, you certainly succeeded in pushing the swim to almost a hundred comments this morning. Dude who snuck into town and is tryin’ to sneak back through the wire dressed in black pj’s is just liable to get smoked. *g*

It has been fabulous…really short hair with highlights…interesting mod clothes for the show on Tues…quite fun, thank you. And how are you?

Rayne, do you think the Rs did wake up and smell the coffee yet?

I’d love it if Doctah Boo-chainey could get some exposure for his bad operating self after trying to get hisself some cred for being a heart surgeon and all. He probably got his total 15 minutes and they gotta stuff him back in the hole behind the dresser again afore anyone makes some hay for his opponent.

It’s a post nuclear holocaust novel written entirely in a sort of pidjun English. Hard to read but a literary masterpiece.

Thanks for the link. Interesting background.

Could be. I’ll let sleeping dogs lie.

Pretty good. Very, very busy. Like a chicken without a head. If you see an extra one in the yard, you’ll know why.

a good BEEMoMMa

oops that was supposed to be in response to eCAHN@79

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Irak: 4343

US KIA Afghanistan: 824

We’re now losing at least 1 every day in Afghanistan. Somewhere in our country every day families and extended families are losing somebody they love. To say nothing of the loses being felt by Afghan families.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

I wrote Wilson a letter yesterday and mailed it. I have never witnessed such disrespect or have I ever heard of anyone acting so child like. I couldn’t believe what I thought I was hearing, and it was true.

Some of them are now finally awake, but their awareness may be limited or highly focused. I’ll use my FIL as an example; he’ll never become a progressive, never be moderate, but he’s pinned his hopes on real health care reform from this White House.

Real life also has a way of opening their eyes; I know in the last handful of years his views on abortion and end-of-life have changed dramatically. But by the time he actually reaches a more centrist stance, he’ll have moved on to the next world and won’t be voting for any of our candidates or issues from there…

Between now and then, he’ll view jerks like Joe Wilson as an aberration, unaware that his party has been completely hijacked and once aberrant behavior is the norm.

eCAHNomics (108) — there are better resources on the topic out there, but that was the quickest one I could get my mouse around. There’s a veritable encyclopedia out there of different trolling behaviors, worth studying them to know what we’re up against.

As long as we’re working on health care reform, you can expect any thread which addresses the topic to have a visit; any hot thread in terms of readership and any related to criminal investigations and prosecutions are also potential targets. They can’t have any of that stuff going on.

Just wait until immigration reform comes up…

O/T — eCAHN, you’ve probably already seen this, being in the know that you are, but just in case…

(Warning–it’s a PDF)

The anti-Republican party

Look, the electorate is simply not going to get very jazzed about the Democratic Party. I say that, not as some disinterested skeptic, but as a member of my county’s Dem committee who knocks a couple of thosuand doors every election cycle (And in VA, we have six or seven elections every year whether we need them or not). I simply mean that the party doesn’t really stand for anything that would get me to knock thousands of doors every year. How could it? We only have two viable parties in this country, but reality is sure as Hell not binary. Ideologically, neither party is firmer than a bundle of wet noodles.

I put in all that work, year after year, not because of my hopes and dreams of what the Democrats will do in office, but because of the proven nightmare of what Republicans do in office. They aren’t a party, a collection of ideological positions, anymore — they’re a cancer. They survive by exploiting, if not creating, whenever they are in office, realities conducive to the continued subjugation of the country to the fear and loathing they campaign on. I’ve always voted solidily Democratic because the Republicans have always, in my adult life (I didn’t start voting until after they had taken over the segregationist franchise from the Dems) taken the wrong and foolish side of every issue. But I took this nation’s basic sanity for granted, and didn’t think that the right side needed more than just my vote. I always assumed that bad or stupid policy positions might prosper for a time, but would be punished by the electorate before they got out of hand, because stupidity results in bad real-world consequences, that the voters would eventually notice and react accordingly. Well, I believed this until the results of the 2002 election convinced me that none of us can afford to sit back and just assume that there is some safety net that will keep the electorate from letting these goons push their schtick so far that we won’t be able to snap back, that the factors, like a free press and the climate of reasoned and informed discourse it should foster, that would bring us back from the stupid and evil before the nation was irrevocably committed, would be undermined fatally by their schtick.

All this by way of observing that some House candidate in SC raising, effortlessly, nearly a million dollars overnight because people hate the Republican incumbent, has a larger lesson. Maybe I’m just projecting my own outlook here, but a million raised overnight for a candidate whose personality and policy positions no one really knows much about, is almost certainly an anti-Republican, not a pro-Democratic, phenomenon. Maybe the fact that we are the anti-Republican party is our real strength right now. Sure, going to the well too often for too long on that, becoming permanently the party that survives by ginning up unreasoned fear and loathing of Republicans, would make us into just a second Republican party. But right now, and for the foreseeable future, until and unless continued and consistent rebuke by the electorate of their methods weans them of their reliance on ginning up unreasoned fear and loathing, fear and loathing of the Republicans themselves is not unreasoned, and needs to guide sound governance. Keeping the Republicans out of office isn’t sufficient as a basis of governance, but right now it’s clearly a necessary condition for the continued survival of our republic.

..only works one way (trolls against us), ’cause the rightyblogs ban anyone whom they even suspect might be a Dem in a matter of seconds.

Yes. Allan’s spelling and linguistic challenges brought to mind Russell Hoban’s masterwork. If I’m honest, however, I’d have to pigeon-hole Allan closer to the Zach’ry character, incarnation 6, in David Mitchell’s fantastic novel Cloud Atlas.

If you’re a screaming asshole batshit crazy Republican, you can be sure Obama will be glad to listen to and accommodate your concerns. If you’re a progressive Democrat, sit down and shut the fuck up.

Allan’s parody comment way, way back, and the responses of those who took the bait, unfortunately show we don’t know how to talk to those who disagree with us.

I of all people should’ve known, but in my defense, I hadn’t had my coffee.

As a fellow Virginian (Fairfax County), I truly agree. The current Republican candidates for statewide office in Virginia demonstrate the truth of your words.

Mea culpa. Nunca mas. From where the sun now stands, I will parody no more forever.