Harry Reid says it might be best to use a corporation as the vehicles for the public option. That’s a really bad idea. Here’s why.
Any corporation set up to act as an insurance company will have to follow the same business practices as health insurance companies do today. As this post explains, one of those practices is the requirement that they have large reserves. The first days of operation require cash on hand, and the corporation will have to be capitalized by the Treasury. The premiums come in well before they are needed to cover outgoes, and good business practice requires that they be set at a level high enough to accumulate a protective layer of cash so that the company can handle irregular cash flows of payments for medical expenses.
Suppose instead that the public option was set up as a department in the Department of Health and Human Services. There would be no need to worry about a cushion, because the Treasury would be making payments. If premiums weren’t enough, Treasury would cover them one year and make them up the next. If there were an overage, the next year’s premiums would reduced from the projections.
Second, the corporation has customers all across the country. It has to establish provider networks everywhere. It has to establish payment provisions suitable for all parts of the country. This creates an unreasonable level of costs. As a separate corporation, it couldn’t force participation by physicians and providers. It would have to bargain with them one after another. It would have to work out reimbursements and then calculate premiums. It would have to have staff and equipment equal to an insurance company, only one with its customers spread out over the entire country.
As a government agency, it will have the ability to bargain. The original HR 3200 barred participation in Medicare by physicians and providers which didn’t participate in the public option. It set premiums for physicians at Medicare plus 5% and other providers at Medicare rates. In itself, this will reduce costs. And look how easy and cheap it is to set things up.
Third, there is the matter of governance. Reid thinks the board of directors should have some federal officials and presumably some others, but we should assume that the rest will be political appointees. On whose behalf is the entity operating? How will it decide questions like this: if there is a large surplus, but in one year premiums were set too low resulting in a loss for that year, does the entity make up the shortfall from surplus or does it increase premiums the next year? This is a real concern; Michigan Blue Cross chose to raise premiums in that situation. This situation, and others, create conflicts of interest between the insureds and the taxpayers. How does Reid think that conflict should be resolved?
Not content with this stupid idea, Reid goes on to suggest that this proposed corporation would farm out the operation of the public option to some other private corporation. He was thinking of Blackwater, I believe.
This whole idea is a non-starter. Reid should get behind a real public option like his constituents want him to.
Related posts:
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- FDL Action Launches 40,000 Call Phone Bank to Nevada Democrats Targeting Harry Reid and the Public Option
- Health Care Reform: How House Public Option Might Differ from Senate Version
- Nevada Phone Bank Tool for Harry Reid and Public Option Now Live





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Can we have Barbara Boxer and majority leader please?
Harry Reid proposing something totally un-workable that wouldn’t help? Whoever could have anticipated…?
How much longer do we have to put up with these fossils?
This is a joke, right???
Man, I hope he gets voted out of office.
WHAT. A. TOOL.
Help Wanted:
Senate Majority Leader
Must have spine.
Bonus pay for brain.
Not to mention that corporations are not interested in the health of our citizens, just their money.
As Christy suggested a short time ago in her thread, the D senators may be setting Hapless Harry up for an epic fail, so they can put him in a wheelchair and quietly slip him out of the way.
After last night should we just assume that the progressive coalition has fallen apart and we have nothing but whatever crappy-assed, useless, in-name-only public-option-that-isn’t, that they care to hand us? That’s what you’d have to assume from all the reports of how wonderful the speech was. I’d say even the progressive base fled their positions last night apart from the commentators at FDL and a small number at some other sites. They were all saluting captain Obama last night.
I suppose all we can do is wait for reaction comments from the progressive caucus.
Speeches are effective for a few days. We have to keep pushing, now and after whatever passes. These struggles are never over.
Are there any progressive Senators who are demanding a true public option? The White House is courting Snowe because she’s the 60th vote, right? So it would only take one Senator defecting to force Reconciliation, which is a process that will demand 60 votes at various points anyway.
Or am I missing something?
Aren’t Dems supposed to deliver us from bondage (of corporations) not deliver us to bondage?…WTF is wrong with these Dems?
Obama is on live re health care on MSNBCNN
Hey, give Harry a break. He just wants to be Senate Minority Leader.
Ah, I see my baby-sitter is still here.
Tell me, Mr. Moderator, how long are you going to hold my hand while I cross the street?
Good Morning Masaccio and Firedogs,
. . . with an operations center, oh, I don’t know,say. . . somewhere in Nevada
I really didn’t know there were so many private enterprise fetishists in the Democratic Congress until healthcare came up.
Being bought is one thing, but figuring news ways to get bought seems to be a Senate thing. A quasi-government corporation, or a “non-profit” corporation, or a “co-op”, all new entities in a new industry segment–all new sources of campaign donations.
The contempt that Congress shows for the many professionals in the federal civil service who are actually committed to public service is bad when it comes from Republicans, criminal when it comes from Democrats, and monstrous when it comes from a Democratic president.
you’re referring to the Democratic Party of the 1930’s.
Sometimes compromise is necessary.
good catch.
There will be no operations center in Nevada. It’s well established that such centers belong in Bangalore, India.
between compromise and complete sell out there is a wide and substantial difference.
That is my operating assumption.
Or am I missing something?
Yes. Joe Lieberman, Mary Landrieu (sp), Ben Nelson, et al.
No way the ever get 60 without giving away the farm.
Would the corporation be called Harry Mae
And not be afflicted with spine flu (my latest label for Congressional “leadership” ailment).
You be very funny.
Harry Reid is a spineless, wimpy, old man! I hope that we get a strong public option. Then, I hope this dick is voted out of office. It may also serve as a warning to Blue Dogs, because while Reid has some $25 million dollars in campaign funds, he could still end ouf losing his seat. Then, either Chuck Shumer or Dick Durbin would be next in line for Majority Leader. 2 Men with real backbones! Fuck off Harry! We’re still not going to vote for you or any other Dems who doesn’t vote for the public option. We will also seek a new candidate for President in 2012! I like Obama but, if he allows these asses to screw this up, then he’s done too! We’re not taking this bullshit!
Wal-Mart wields massive leverage over its suppliers. The US government can easily do the same if it “occupies the field” in the health insurance business. Why do you think Finland’s excellent national healthcare system delivers better outcomes at 60% the cost?
Obviously, Finland has nothing equivalent to the Republic Party to mess up healthcare.
Insurance Corporatios are greedy profit hungry people, who could not care less who lives or dies or receives treatment. More of the same is not what is needed.
I got a call yesterday from the DSCC looking for money. I gave the poor sap an earful. He actually tried to argue with me and then asked if I would give.
I was pissed.
By the way, could someone explain to me how that haggard faced bitch Olympia Snowe can be against the public option when according to Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com, 60% of the people in Maine want a public option? This bitch should be thrown out of office as well. The Dems need to ask themselves why, with the hugh majority are they allowing this bitch to hijack their healthcare legislation. They have to know that we are very upset about voting all of them in only to watch them capitulate to the party of losers! Why don’t they just pass it with 51 votes? I’m not talking reconciliaton. I mean 51 votes which is the MAJORITY! If you’ve seen the movie the Producers, it’s a simple explaination of just how percentages work. If you can only have 100% of something, 51 swings it to a majority out of 100. The Dems should do this and let the Republicans take this to the Supreme Court! This 60 votes bullshit is not in the Constitution as Rachel Maddow has pointed out!
One cliches that seems to have disappeared from the debate is “the U.S. has the best health care system in the world.” As that is completely untrue, it’s about time that it was exposed.
Bill Nelson (FL). Dems should always count Short Ride as against. That way they’d never be surprised when he votes against them but would be surprised when he votes with them.
It’s not just Harry Reid. All the Corporate Democrats are in on this, including Obama, unfortunately.
We have to have a public option, and not one that’s created on a “level playing field” — or so sucky that lousy private plans can compete with it.
Calling a person you disagree with a “haggard faced bitch” doesn’t do much to advance your argument. Just saying.
I wish they’d call me! I’d tell them that I’ll send you some money when you get me a public option. Since everything and everyhone in Washington seems to be for, I’ve named my price. Another thing that’s bugging me is that the Dems should actually get the numbers from every Blue Dog state on where they stand on the public option. If, like Snowe’s state of Maine, their states favor the public option, the Progressives could then paint them as being against the voters of their states! And point out the exact amounts they’ve taken from the industry. It would make it obvious that they’re giving the voters their middle finger! Now that’s a strategy. Sort of political blackmail. I like it!
(((oldgold)))
I believe in calling people what they are. That point wasn’t to advance my argument. It was for my own personal gratification!
Just saying!
I totally agree with the polling, every Blue Dog district and state. The people support it. There should be some shouting and arm twisting with this.
Thanks masaccio!
Very enlightening, on all points.
Here’s hoping someone in Harry Reid’s office gets a copy…
hey MOD,
is there some backstage tech work going on ? am having trouble getting in to The Seminal and TBogg – the connection works for a few minutes but when I try it a few minutes later, I’m getting a 404/Page Unavailable type message
thanks
She actually had the nerve to ask Obama not to even mention the public option last night. Just who the hell does she think she is? What none of them seem to get or care about is the fact that the public option, is just that….an OPTION! Don’t they know what that means?
But it’s such a great GOP talking point. USA #1! Remember, on what basis can people judge other healthcare systems if only 15% of Americans carry a passport?
nor does Finland have a duopoly of corporate party’s who serve the same master.
and, the problem is not the Republican’s, according to Bill Moyers:
Right! We’re number 37…YEAH!
Hope the mod doesn’t mind if I take this one…not seeing this problem. Try refreshing your cache, clearing history, closing and restarting your browser, using a different browser, and rebooting, in that order. Good luck.
a dead kennedy has more brains and spine than this one.
Well, there’s always reading to learn, but then I suppose only 15% of U.S.ians actually do that. But it is the responsibility of the Ds to add light to the debate, which they are too whimpy to do. They should have been pointing out the international comparison years ago: better care, better outcomes, less cost.
How’s the beekeeping going?
I’m still waiting for the “media” to mention the author of this bill! I guess they’ll just keep ignoring it like they ignored the fact that Lord Boustany, who gave the Republican response last night is a birther! Take a bow all you “journalists”. You really suck!
thanks dahlin’ ! will do
unfortunately, the House Bill is no better:
page 117 — outsources the public plan to private companies and private health insurers WITH AN EXPLICIT GUARANTEE OF NO RISK…
On heavy duty supplemental feeding. My beekeeper and another organic one who’s actually a student of my beekeeper, have both been in the local news within the past week talking about how the weather has left beehives vulnerable for the winter. It’s been cool and very rainy, which has seriously impeded their ability to stock up for the winter. My guy argues that any harvesting of honey has a high possibility of being a death sentence for the hive this coming winter. He sez mine should be OK. They are healthy, working their little butts off, and I’m supplementing their feed with a gallon of bee tea/week. Thnaks for asking.
I missed POTUS last night due to a school event. My head hurts from catching up.
So much of Reid’s language sounds like the language Goldman Sachs produced for the Infrastructure Bank which GS backs.
You are not going to get a strong public option.
As Obama stated. The public option has to be funded by premiums.
It will have to be watered down or it would be so expensive, no one
could afford it. Just like the current system.
There can be no real reform until the cost of providing
medical care in this country is addressed.
I believe that is how tri-care is set up.
Reid is a waste of skin. The guy’s been bought and paid for by big business for ever. He’s corrupt to the core. He’s a festering turd in the punch bowl. Fuck you Harry Reid, you worthless pigfucker.
Am I correct in assuming you don’t like Reid?
Without a public option, we’re handing over 60 billion to the insurance companies! A wider pool would pull down costs and not force everyone to patronize these insurance companies. Without choice, this bill is a gift to the insurance industry!
Good for you. Fingers crossed that your colony gets through winter in good shape.
What’s your recipe for bee tea?
What? No comment from oldgold on bushbehindbars’ comment about Harry Reid? Which I totally agree with!
They are all paid for. The whole political system is corrupt
Pelosi will cave too
Here it is (pdf). I don’t make it myself, I buy it from my beekeeper.
Folks may want to join Jane’s new thread already in progress: “Obama’s Speech: Trapped In the Gap Between Action and Rhetoric”
You is not holding your breath while “waiting”, is you rox?
Could be bad for your health.
One imagines that even a universal single payer health CARE system would not help with the “sickness” suffered by media denizens, being as their jobs depend upon all of them sharing a certain “bug” and refusing to wash their little paws before eating , “writing”, “reading”, or thinking.
(Wonder how long it will be until one can buy “bottled” oxygen (”breathing space”) as easily as one may buy water in bottles. If I’d been told, as a kid, that fortunes would made “selling” water, I simply would not have believed it. Must be lacking the “right” kind of genes.)
The difference is, unlike your comment, bushbehindbars comment did not denigrate Reid on the basis of his physical appearance. I was taught back in the Flintstone era that this was not acceptable and when it occurred in my presence I had a responsibility to say something.
Sorry, my question was muddled. Couldn’t a progressive Senator force an impasse? If they pledge to vote no on any bill without a robust PO and pledge to vote no throughout the reconciliation process, any bill the White House wants to pass will be gutted. It just seems like it might be easier to get the Blue Dogs to cave if one progressive stood on principle.
In California where I had bees, we had two honeyflows, so the basic strategy was to leave the fall honey to the bees. If they did need feeding, they got sugar water. Here in Finland, the winter feedings start in the fall and include such things as chamomile, cloves and salt, in addition to the sugar.
There are too many contradictions with Harry Reid. He has no real public record of supporting anything, “robustly”. His statements are like salt water when you are on a boat in the ocean. Ubiquitous, obvious, meaningless. He protects one of the most horrible types of people on the planet, a war criminal, Bybee, because he is a fellow religious nut from a cult. Does this mean Harry has supported other war criminals? He doesn’t seem to have any standards when he defends an American war criminal that has admitted his role in these war crimes. Harry’s friend authored legal opinions that he knew were not valid, nor legal. What Harry must not realize is that this is illegal. For him, probably not immoral, as his cult doesn’t see things quite the same as the law does.
Why is he still pretending to be a democrat? He never acts like one does he? Would we not hear that he has done something for the country, or his constituents? I do not remember his being mentioned as being a part of anything except obstruction to the goals of democracy for many years. President Cheney got his dream opposition in ol’ Harry. No opposition at all.
So why are the fellow senators so happy with this road kill on the highway? Probably only the republicans are. They have one of their own to negate any progress that might move forward in the chamber that so requires a laxative.
I put a link to the recipe in 65. It’s a bit more complicated than what you describe, includes dandelion tea as well and some other stuff. At the introductory lecture my beekeeper gave a week ago Sunday, one of the attendees said that their daughter had an autoimmune disease and they used a similar kind of tea for her.
There is every reason to be thoroughly cynical. But here we are, a bunch of incurable optimists.
Still thinking that there is anything we can do to influence our own “Democratic Representatives” with reason and logic and emails.
The decisions have been made before we ralized there would be decisions. They have all been bought and paid for. We can beat our heads against all the brick walls in the White House and Senate, but we have already been cut out of the equation.
Anything that smacks of eau d’Democracy (for the Public Welfare) will be farmed out to Insurance Companies just like the “War” is farmed out to Blackwater.
And what makes anyone think for even a second that the insurers will behave any differently than they have been behaving for 60+ years ? Dream on.
What we need to begin thinking about is When we totally lose, what we are going to do. How do we, by nonviolent direct action, force the doctors and hospitals to take on the uninsured? How do we force the companies to stop obstructing medical care for the insured? How do we get medicines to those who cant afford them? It has to be something outside the System. A sort of Medicines Sans Frontiers here in the U.S.A. Maybe that is it..to sponsor doctors from foreign countries to come here? Or our own Doctors Without Borders ? How do we protect them from prosecution by the “Health” System?
We are being forced to take a real stand for ourselves and others who are less fortunate.
I think its time for us to have to begin thinking outside this box. The box is closed and locked.
Prove me wrong , please.
Succinctly put.
Exactly.
How is this so not unlike “fixing” the banks ??
Hand them money and the where-with-all to carry on business as usual…only Better (for them).
Is there a pattern here, or am I imagining things?
right. and im glad that some are shocked out of thier “hope” that Obama is anything but a neo liberal “market” hack, but dont despair of it and give up! have you already forgotten the bush dictatorship..er decidership? have to have together for the long haul
Harry Riedless, as ever, kowtowing to the private sector, which never does any harm and always does good. He long ago followed Alice down that rabbit hole. He is unable to think or act outside the little box Alice put him in after he drank the potion that said, “Drink This”.
I don’t disagree. I do think a public option can be done that will start driving down costs.
I’m not sure how this advances the discussion. Perhaps you are self-gratifying like roxsteady @ 39?
Something I thought of before I fell aspleep last night. According to the CBO they approximate only about 5 million purchasing a Public Option insurance plan through the government. Would it be possible to set up a ‘public option” through medicare? It would mean people are able to purchase medical insurance through medicare. It could be set up that way? Right? Alot of the groundwork is already laid with medicare doctors and what not. A person would pay a pre-determined premium (based on income) directly to the government through medicare. Back to the topic: Note to Harry Reid: Public Option MEANS PUBLIC! DUH! NOT PRIVATE. Can we get rid of him now? Is there somewhere I can donate to his primary opponent? Does he have a primary opponent? If not can we get him one quick?
Does Reid have a primary challenger? He’s in trouble, which is a good thing, but would rather have him picked off by a better Dem than a worse Repub.
archiebird, the idea of medicare for all is plausible. The cost is a sticking point, and, of course, insurance companies would rather eat snakes.
The only reason the public option is limited to 5mn people is because the exchange is more like a gateway than a real exchange. It limits the people eligible to use it. That can be changed now or later, and we all hope it will. On the other hand, if the public option is limited in the ways the Blue Dogs want to, it won’t really be that much cheaper.
Single payer would be better than Switzerland’s style of insurance, but would the public option be better? Maybe if the public option was not watered down it would be as good or better than Switzerland’s style of insurance. I watched the President’s speech the other day and I really hope he wins the public option for America.
Must have been a time in our history when the Majority Senate leader would say anything & the larger majority of the populace his party represents would just go-along.
Cuz it seems Harry Reid is still stuck in that point in time.
And for Dc blogger suggesting BBoxer as Senate leader.Is there something I am missing ? BBoxer ,the so called liberal senator who didn’t have the gumption to support the black caucus when they pleaded for the support of ONE US SENATOR to side with ‘em so that a congressional inquiry could be launched to query the 2000 election of GWBush.And the same BBOxer who went all the way to Connecticut to campaign & lie about Lieberman’s stance on pregnant women wanting to visit hospitals when Lieberman was being challenged by Ned LaMont.
Thanks for replying. But I’m just curious. How do they plan to pay for a public option anyway? A portion of it, of course, would be paid for by the recipient. What about the other portion? When do the Bush taxcuts end, and what are the current Admin. thoughts about letting them lapse? My gut tells me that that Obama would probably let the rich keep their money. He’s been such a disappointment at times. I know they’re going after UBS, but Amy Goodman reported that there are over 50,000 Swiss Banks Accounts that are avoiding US taxes,and Obama has only negotiated on less than 5000.