Comments on: Health Care Reform: Democrats Can Honor Their Legacy, America’s Will, and Also Win Elections

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:32:42 +0000

look it over

http://www.cpusa.org

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:23:44 +0000

man you are smug asshole. what does a 100 year old racist screed have to do with the way the WH and senate leadership handled this whole fucked up process? are you saying max and kent arent whores for the insurance industry? really? so then your willing to lie as well as use lame ass straw men and personal attacks to vent your spleen. i dont know why you’ve made yourself the defender of the trillion dollar handover to the insurance industry , personal reasons i guess, everyone has personal reasons.Personally i hope your existing condition is covered, and they triple the cost of the policy.

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:06:52 +0000

“It isn’t hard to see how the ban on the pre-existing conditions drop would happen. It becomes against the law. I mean if you can’t see how it’s hard that there are penalties for breaking the law, then it’s only hard for YOU to see that. It’s not hard for normal people to see that. Most people see that breaking laws results in jail time and law suits which generally make it impossible to break the law. “

there will be no law as to how much we, who have “existing consditions”( ie human bodies)
will get to pay for coverage though. he never, has never adressed that. i guess the magic hand will take care of it, duh, we should just know that right? as for the “low regard for other peoples lives” well apparently we all have our own axe to grind huh?

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:01:07 +0000

get used to the idea that when the pres. talks about “cutting cost of healthcare” hes talking about the governments cost. this is the beginning of the end of medicare, of the VA of it all.

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:54:18 +0000

“and the people who are most expensive to keep on the books will get dropped somehow” remember the comment about “emergency” insurance pools? while we wait the 4 years ( or longer )for the “reform” to kick in?
heres what i think. those high risk pools will be where sick people get dumped and they will be criminally expensive, just like the the high risk car insurance pools in states where car insurance is mandatory. the “exchange” and all that horseshit, is never going to happen. between the time of the signing and 4 years elapsed time, they will be forgotten in laws that “improve” on the bill. dems will probably lose congress next year so whatever is passed this year will be souped up by the republicans into a laser beam proof,ultra high power, inter-galactic rip-off reactor the democrats would blush to even dream of. oh its gonna get much much worsem before the whole thing implodes.

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:42:32 +0000

that was NO carter speech. carter was at least, and honest and liberal man.

By: solerso

solerso — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:41:57 +0000

right. my sister called me after the speech, she knows where i am on this and she saw the other speech. the one where obama is all about a PO. I didnt have the heart to explain to her ,”thats not what i saw”.The fucked up thing is that she worked in claims for many year. she has told the hysterical mother that her claim for her dying child is being rejected and that there is nothing she could do. she knows how corrupt they are, and she reaffirmed to me that without the mechanism of a strong PO, insurance companies will forcibly extract every single DIME that they can from 200 million people. cost will go up, care will become worse and wal street will get fatter. I am almost too astonished for speech. i think that our “leadership” are so addled with neo liberal “free market” junk science economics, that they really believe that market based “reform” will accomplish the goals they have laid out. its not possible. even if the market were a willing partner in ethical, sane reform (which of course it isnt) its just not set up that way. the market is for making money. social welfare programs are for social welfare and the good of society and the country. the market dosent care a flying fuck about society, good, or the country.

By: researcher

researcher — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:04:12 +0000

we needed a roosevelt speech we got a carter speech

obama still bends over for the repubs

as do all demos

go independent the demos no longer represent you

they pretend they do to get reelected

another speech just what america needs

love the guy but just another spineless demo

the repubs eat demos for lunch

time to drain the swamp as jefferson recommended

By: RFKUS

RFKUS — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:51:34 +0000

Oh I’m not angry with you, although I do look down at the low regard with which you place other people’s lives. It’s one of those situations where your comments would be intellectually funny, if their implications were not so vile.

Firstly, you characterize Obama’s plan as merely a “bailout.” If you mean what you say, then you’re clearly not operating with all your pins on the bowling lane. The bailouts were given to strategic financial and economic sectors. Health insurance companies are not strategic to the fundamental operation of the economy. If AIG goes down it would have brought the economy down. If Humana Insurance goes down, it’s not going to affect the country. If you were just joking, it just shows the irrational kind of thinking you have which you pass off as humor, but is really rooted in more of a conspiracy theory outlook on society.

Given that you think that Obama is playing one reform off against another indicates that you see this as a conspiracy theory. That after Obama was done with his speech he took his limousine over to some abandoned highway, pressed down on a panel on a wall, opened up a secret staircase to some room full of health insurance industries who he promptly reported to that the master plan was well under way and no one expects a thing. Maybe you don’t explicitly say that, but that is the logical extension of your beliefs isn’t it?

In any case, you claim premiums won’t go down. The chance for a public option trigger is good. If the premiums indeed don’t go down then the public option is activated and liberals win. You should hope Obama passes these reforms and your prediction comes true.

It isn’t hard to see how the ban on the pre-existing conditions drop would happen. It becomes against the law. I mean if you can’t see how it’s hard that there are penalties for breaking the law, then it’s only hard for YOU to see that. It’s not hard for normal people to see that. Most people see that breaking laws results in jail time and law suits which generally make it impossible to break the law.

With regards to cost controls, again hard for you to see where that is, but that doesn’t mean it’s not there. After all it’s hard for you to see that laws get enforced.

Let’s look at your conclusion, just one part of it. You essentially contradict yourself. You simultaneously hold that:

* A law banning the dropping of coverage for pre-existing conditions will be adopted

* A law banning the dropping of coverage for pre-existing conditions will not be adopted because there are no “cost controls”

Given that you can’t even make your prognostication consistent with itself, how much of these evil forces at play exist beyond the confines of your own mind?

By: RFKUS

RFKUS — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:31:02 +0000

Oh yes, I forgot that on your world it is not representatives and Senators who write bills, but the Illuminati in their Ivory Towers and their Congressional minions. Typically insane and unmedicated, you’d be the first one who would benefit from better health care coverage.