ZED!
All this BS about BO speaking to our children is racist based.. They will deny it but it is the underlying truth of the matter.

Nice ending PeterR… I still remember my teenagers and their twisted logic… it wasn’t that long ago I was dealing with similar encounters with them.

That there are parents that would poison the minds of their own children with the idea that their president a child predator to be feared and distrusted, borders on the abusive and the criminal.

That the speech was utterly wholesome & boring just makes it worse.

Can’t be wrapping all that evil Marxism in a wholesome wrapper, eh?

Some folks, particularly dumb poorly-educated white folks, dream of the return of the 1950s, when Dick and Jane readers featured only white folks. And it was understood that everyone accepted and believed in God, the imperial American Way in the Third World and Eternal Progess with Reddy Kilowatt running the evergrowing list of kitchen appliances…

Some of us grew up and opened our eyes to the real world and were not too pleased with what we saw…

I remember this kind of outrage and controversy when GHW Bush gave a speech to students, and prior to that, when Ronnie did it.

Wait, no I don’t. Because it didn’t fucking exist. What the hell is wrong with these morons?

I never realized how boring subliminal messages piped straight out of the Kremlin could be.

All this BS about BO speaking to our children is racist based.. They will deny it but it is the underlying truth of the matter.

People who disagree with Michael Steele do so because he is black. That’s the only reason. These people are vile racists.

It is racist, but it is also part of the Republic strategy to attack anything and everything. They are able to do so because the Democrats have no voice to counter except Obama’s. Where is Reid? Where is Pelosi? Don’t tell me it’s because they don’t get coverage. They are simply easy to ignore. The Democrats’ big mistake has been to keep them as leaders. They take up no space, leaving plenty of opportunities for the Republics.

Just wait, I’m a fan of Slow Foods USA on Facebook, and they posted this article

Michelle Obama Applies for Farmers Market Permit

YIKES! Healthy fresh food!!!! I always knew vegetables were subversive. /s

In the comments on this a couple people objected to the political nature of this, one even went as far as to say that christians are told to keep god out of schools, so Slow Foods USA should keep politics off a food page.

You just can’t fix stupid.

Agreed. It is not proper any longer to use the word “lynching” in any kind of conversation, but there are many ways to communicate racist tendencies without it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..38;index=0

NEVER SURRENDER

I agree! The Pukes have been spewing decisiveness for decades. Using fear of everything as a tool to sway the gullible public to their way of twisted thinking.
And yes we NEED other good charismatic Leaders. I am not sure who but maybe Howard Dean??? He always make sense to me!

Sorry, way OT:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..79244.html

About the SCOTUS expanded case where they are going to decide if a corporation can donate directly to pols.

I hear Corps are very nice people, nice to have a drink with and a chat. Must be fun for a Corp to be a person.

My kids are in the Belton school dist. and neither one saw his speech today. There was no mention by the schools that they were not going to air it. Nobody said a thing. Was it today? Not a soul has made one mention of it. This is a very red town, I expected to hear wing nut blather everywhere. crickets, man, crickets.

But but they never die so they can buy the Government lock stock and barrel. If these Right Wing Justices reverse over 100 years of election law3 they must be Impeached for giving Corporation true Citizenship. Really sucks that Corps had been given Constitutional rights by fucking mistake no less…

Well I was hoping for some real blow back.

Honestly how hard is it for this narrative to be pushed?

We are facing perhaps the worst economic crisis in seventy years. We need statesmen and people of serious intent to try and fix the mess we’re in. The Republican party chooses this time to act the roll of a petulant little child who will hold her breath until everyone pays attention to her. Unfortunately they just don’t seem to care that their behaviour is trashing the country. Republicans have become the party of the insane crazies who want to blow up everything; political terrorists and crackpots.

You people hate Clarence Thomas because he’s black.

There will be serious issues.

But this is what the stain of Bush will live on means. It also means that with no “liberal” balance to the corporate folks in all branches – that we are marching toward were we have been headed since 1981.

There is always pomp and fanfare around abortion and health care (important issues, some of which will never see change) in the POTUS and Congress – while we are sold out in the SCOTUS and nobody bats an eye.

The controversy over President Obama’s speech to the nation’s schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush’s speech — they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president’s school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president’s political benefit. “The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props,” the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. “The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students,” said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. “And the president should be doing more about education than saying, ‘Lights, camera, action.’”

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush’s appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. “The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC,” Ford began. “As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event.”

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. “The speech itself and the use of the department’s funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal,” the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. “The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda.”

That didn’t stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it “cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers’ money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. — while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters.”

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush’s speech itself, like Obama’s today, was entirely unremarkable. “Block out the kids who think it’s not cool to be smart,” the president told students. “If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they’re stuck in a dead end job. Don’t let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

Beat it joik.

Give me a break, we dislike Clarence Thomas for his political views not because he is black. Unlike the Republicans who are afraid of losing their power to people of color all colors! They want to keep the Good Old Boys White power supremacy center! Time we had a change for the good of all Americans not just the WASPS!

Select items from that HuffPo, but I would love to see the minds here attach this in a thread and do some pre-emptive ground work.

The notion of corporate citizenship essentially gives the members of the boards of major corporations (usually consisting of upper management) super powers in our democracy since, using seemingly unlimited corporate resources, they’d be able promote public policy that benefits themselves at the expense of their stockholders, customers and employees.

It would take years, or perhaps decades, to get it enacted–but whether or not the Supreme Court rules in favor of corporate citizenship, we need to write, promote, and pass a constitutional amendment to end such corporate engagement in politics entirely and permanently. Our constitution protects the rights of individuals, not paper entities.
-cjo30080

I hate to be an alarmist but a systemic change this fundamental will eviscerate our democracy, which is exactly the goal. The Federalists believe in a plutocracy not a democracy. Destroying the rough and tumble of the citizen politics and handing it all over to the ‘philosopher kings’ who grace our corporate offices, moneyed insitutions, and wealthy families is the point of these changes.

We will never survive these changes. Presidents’ Reagan, Bush I & II, knew this when they packed the courts with these little lord fauntleroies and radical conservatives. While they were manipulating the fundamentalists to raise their pitchforks over packing the Supreme Court with anti-abortion justices, in truth, they were going for this prize which is what these justices were selected to do. The fundamentalists? They were played for suckers by the moneyed interests in this country like that alway are.
-jazzman

OK, well not to derail the thread anymore.

I don’t think you are supposed to post full articles in comments. Something about copyright then comes into play and you can get FDL in trouble. You should probably just post a paragraph and a link to the original article…

Racism mixed with charges of communism, a long-standing recipe in this country: Protesting mixing races in the 1950s.

We’ve got a winner. Give that man a Cthulhu plush.

http://www.toyvault.com/cthulhu/plush_cthulhu.html

There close to 10% of caucs. that are hard core racists who heads are exploding today.

Nevermind. The school district website issued a statement why they weren’t going to air the speech. They received too many complaints and decided to tape it instead. The recording will be put in the resource library and can be used by teachers in an “appropriate class” at teachers discretion. A notice will be sent to parents prior to the class and children will be allowed to attend an alternate class if parents choose not to let their children see the speech.

I’m going to go throw-up now.

Bellevue, Washington declined to show the speech today after some complaints. Its a large wealthy suburb of Seattle, with the best test scores in the state, populated by educated tech workers, AND Obama won the city in 2008.

Like he cares.

“you people” ?

Peterr if this is the best the GOP has as a scandal to get worked up about well then they got nothing. Heck they got worse than nothing this is Silly.
When people distrust the Media and the GOP their poll numbers are way lower than Obama or the Congressional Dems things like this are the reason why.
Obama’s numbers might be down but the GOP is not picking up those fallen numbers. The MSM should be wondering about that failure at the voting booth for the Presidential race in 4 years could cause the GOP to split as a party with poll numbers like this.
The GOP needs to pace themselves and save their outrage for a real scandal.

Nope the phrase Uncle Tom comes to mind:)

PaLease oh please! I can give it to one of the grand kids!!

Yeah, I know. But I still try to go through the effort sometimes, just to keep the memory fresh so I don’t do it myself.

gotcha

The disrespect for the office of president because of who is in the office is astounding. It is also confusing to teenagers,just like in the scenario above. I was 13 when JFK was killed in 1963. I knew my parents were Republicans and was not sure how I was supposed to react, whether they would be happy or sad, even though I had already formed my politics regarding Dr. King. (Let’s just say I was the family liberal.) But I was an obedient child and did not openly opposed my parents to their faces.

My parents did not denigrate the office of the President and showed respect (although mama lamented that there would be nothing but funeral coverage on TV for a week). They were, however, quite afraid that there were going to be race riots and that the “colored” people would be trying to kill whites. In fact, I think my father cleaned his shot gun.

The problem the conservatives have with Obama, the reason they do not want their children to hero-worship him or regard him as a role model are two. The first, of course is his race. However, if he were Allan Keyes, Thomas Sowell or Clarence Thomas, about half of them would be ok with him, with minimal reservation. The reason for this is the other problem.

Since the administration of Ronald Reagan, Americans have been taught to have a selfish, me first attitude toward people living with disadvantage. Reagan cut the social programs, made it hard for parents to raise their own children instead of shipping them to day care, even as infants, made it very difficult to get disability or to better oneself by going to college. It has gotten worse over the decades since with only slight relief under Clinton because he was stifled by Republican Congresses. Big business was put before jobs for Americans, war, subcontracted to benefit friends of the Bushes, ahead of health care and education.

Obama is trying to bring America back to a government that provides for its own first, leaving church and community based groups to their proper role of supplementing the government’s positive use of our tax money with faith based initiatives. Obama is trying to do right, but a whole generation of Americans are used to the government NOT doing its job, instead, taxing us without benefiting us. They are now afraid of a government that wants to help its people. Then many are deathly afraid of people of color, as though the color of a person’s skin dictates the content of their character. These are the fringe of the conservatives, yet the inner fringe, not the crazies, but the stripes on the sides of the blanket that conservatives have suffocated our country with since Reagan, often under the guise of religion. They are not the crazy racists of the KKK and the mentally ill preachers, but the nice racists from groups like American Family Forum, Concerned Women for America, Focus on the Family, Coral Ridge Ministries, etc. They are the well educated, suit wearing, smiling racists and classists who sneak up on you an throw on that blanket with a quote from the Bible like, “He who does not work should not eat” while ignoring, Heal the sick. Feed the poor. Visit the prisoners. Give the cold person a blanket. And, if they can, they will steer America back onto the track they had us on of trying to make things so bad that Jesus gets fed up and comes on back.

Nice racial remark. I live in Katy, Texas and enjoy the great diversity of the Houston area. You are old enough to remember Reddy Kilowatt so you have lived through a lot of time when Republicans and Democrats in DC have been eroding the Constitution.

I appreciate the Green Movement having us save electricity with the new energy efficient, toxic mercury filled light bulbs – how hypocritical.
Van Jones talked about the White Man spraying immigrants with pesticides, well how about the Green People putting the entire population at risk with toxic waste light bulbs, oh yes I forgot that GE makes them.

There will always be racism of some sort in every culture and we all need to work to eliminate it. Using the term Racist to try and intimidate those who do not agree with you will no longer work in this country. I must certainly be a racist myself since my church has a Pastor from Viet Nam and a congregation of people from every continent except Antarctica.

“you people”?

Yes, you racists.

If it is ok to use the word nazi and socialist in reference to our president, it is also ok to use the word lynching because that is what the conservatives are trying to do, lynch our audacious black president who has gotten out of his place. It is nothing but a political lynching. Plus, those on the edge of the Republican Party I am sure would love to physically string up both the President and his beautiful, intelligent wife.

Nope the phrase Uncle Tom comes to mind:)

Calling someone an “Uncle Tom” is racist.

Boy, Robert Byrd would feel right at home here.

You dislike Clarence Thomas because of his views, OK then people can dislike President Obama because of his views. In neither case is race involved.

It was perfectly fine to use Nazi and Fascist when referring to Bush. No hypocracy there.

His views like he is a racist, nazi, socialist, communist, fascist. That is a view asshole.

Give me a break, we dislike Clarence Thomas for his political views not because he is black. Unlike the Republicans who are afraid of losing their power to people of color all colors!

Give me a break. We dislike Obama for his political views, not because he is black. Unlike the Democrats who are afraid of losing their power over people of color — all colors!

I’ve never seen such madness. Let’s be realistic, folks. Conservatives are racists whose primary problem with Obama is that he’s a black man. (They don’t particularly care he’s half-white.) Liberals, for the most part, are not racist.

Are there a few on the left? Probably. But let’s be reasonable, people- the most prolific and accepted racists are all from the right.

Just imagine that your a moderate voter and you are in a poly sci class freshman year your given the text of Obama’s speech and the Right Wing and Left Wing reaction to it what do you think a reasonable outsider would think after reading it all?
It probably won’t convince a person to go Left but I’m thinking it will turn Moderate voters off to the Right.
The GOP needs a real scandal I suggest they look at Rahm sure he’s your best friend in the administration but he is the best bet to finding dirt.
Save your Outrage for a scandal you can get Moderate voters interested in GOPers!

Noted, thank you.

Using the army to make arrests in Buffalo, the patriot act, torturing, prisoners, establishing an army unit to squelch protests – democracy in action. /s

Nope the African Americans can judge their own and if they call Clarence and Steele Tom’s then I can too! Show me that Clarence or Steele has real support in the African American community that they can get Sarah more African American votes than Bush got the first time and I might consider them to be leaders in the African American community.
Right now their position and power is all GOP derived that makes them puppets.
The fact the African American community does not share their beliefs makes Thomas and Steele not African American leaders. To lead presupposes that you have followers:)

The Office of the President should command the respect of All Americans. The policies of any President are certainly up for debate and even criticism by any American.

Did I think that Bush was a Cheney puppet? Absolutely. Did Bush mislead the American people and Congress? Yes. Did FDR try and rewrite the Constitution with his “New Bill of Rights?” Yes.

Are both parties more interested in their own power than doing what is right for We the People? Yes

What are a politicians two most important goals when they go to DC?
To stay elected and to move up in their party.

Our chicken school board refused to let Obama’s speech be aired in schools in Pueblo, Colorado, District 70. This is the rural district. I don’t know what the city district did. A group of taxpayers are planning to read them the riot act for depriving our youngsters of the chance to be encouraged by a president who actually cares that they make something of themselves.

Give me a break. We dislike Obama for his political views, not because he is black. Unlike the Democrats who are afraid of losing their power over people of color — all colors!

Nope Dems like Rahm taking our votes for granted ( Rahm’s advice to Dem Congressmen to run against immigration comes to mind ) that attitude was going to cost the Dems our support.
The Brown Color has Spoken!

As if the Patriot act is not being used by Obama. And what about his assembling a civilian security corps as well trained and funded as the US Military?

GOPers on the board I heard the Christian Coalition guys love to get elected to school boards so they can stop kids from learning sex ed and evolution.
Then they can grow up to write porn like Gov Mark Sanford’s Christian education person who resigned recently.
You can only repress an urge for so long:)

Our country is looking more and more like a powder keg every day. I can feel it in the air, it might sound weird but I can feel it. Even the local police are more jittery than usual. I work in a retail store and the customers are more gloomy and long faced than ever before. I live in what used to be a rural town outside of Kansas City. The old white country boy mentality still hangs over this place. They listen to Limpball and Hannity, this is where they git thar learnin’.

*yuck, shake it off Kinmo, shake it off.*

There is nothing wrong with a President encouraging school children to stay in school. The problem arose from the political advice that Obama got in the first place to have the USDOE put together lesson plans that had exercises on “How I can help President Obama?”

We need to produce more engineers, scientists, doctors, etc. We are falling behind China in this aspect, because even though a small percentage of their youth go to college a small percentage of a billion and a half people is a large number.

So if Hillary Clinton or John Edward were the nominee and won would Micheal Steele be the head of the RNC? IMHO, no way.

Clarence Thomas appointed not elected, Condi Rice, appointed not elected, Colin Powell, appointed not elected, the bench of elected black officials is very thin.

Does any of the above meant all Republicans are racist? No, but if a party can’t recruit a black candidates because they don’t exist in the party, or the party won’t back them because they the base won’t support them, it gives people pause to think about the implications of the party’s action.

We need to produce more engineers, scientists, doctors, etc. We are falling behind China in this aspect, because even though a small percentage of their youth go to college a small percentage of a billion and a half people is a large number.

Yeah, those Creation Science/Intelligent Design education classes don’t seem to impress folks in the sciences do they?

Nothing racist about “old white country boy.” Love the language you use also. Interesting how many on the left love to profile any Caucasian who disagrees with them. If that is the best you can do you should have listened to the President’s advise today and stayed in school.

My kids have responded today with, “We were allowed to watch the 2009 Presidential Inauguration of Obama in school but not a ’stay in school’ inspiration speech by the same President? Amazing!”

Not all Republicans are racists.

But nearly all racists are Republicans.

Much like all poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles.

But it doesn’t take an advanced degree to figure out that if all/most racists are Republicans, there must be a reason for that. Somehow, Republicans must impress the hell out of racists.

I’m not sure that it is fair that calling someone an ‘Uncle Tom’ is racist.

It refers to a kind of character, like calling someone Hitler. Uncle Tom was a character in the Book “Uncle Tom’s Cabin.” It is a great book, I highly recommend it.

Calling a person an ‘Uncle Tom’ entered the lexicon as a way to describe the kind of Stockholm syndrome black people often suffered from in the slave/slave owner culture. A culture that did not end with the end of slavery. It describes a lot in a rich cultural context, to call that ‘racist’ is like to deny the possibility of ever discussing it and moving forward.

In the interest of discussing it to move forward,

I did a roast of HuffPost’s refusal to allow any pro truther postings.

I collected a lot of comments from her Van Jones piece and included my unpublished replies. I got banned from her site for my effort.

I think it is wrong of her to shape the debate like that, so if you want to see a more two sided debate on Van Jones resignation over 9/11 truth, I posted it here in the comments,

Right-Wing Lunatics Attack Back-to-School Speech By “Pied Piper Obama”

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/142482/

The majority of conservatives do not believe in “Intelligent Design.”
I am a Catholic and have no problem with Darwinism. My late daughter was enrolled in a PhD program in Physics at Cornell when she passed away. All of her friends in the program were of a different ethnic and national origin.

Yes, these are the old white country boys with the old confederate flag on the back window of their trucks, and confederate flag belt buckles. They are proud of that stereotype. And yes, I should have stayed in school.

The connotation of Uncle Tom has evolved into being Racist. Just like the meaning of the word Fascist during WWII evolved from being a state that controlled the means of production into having an EVIL connotation.

That is a small minority of crazies, just like the people who wear the Che Guevara shirts and have his stickers on their cars.

Not where I live.

I’m not a “truther” by any stretch of the imagination, but I really don’t understand why some on the left are made so uneasy by it.

While I’m not a truther, I will say this, proudly, and confidently.

Had the same set of facts that occurred re:9/11 occurred with a Democrat in office, i.e., an attack of epic proportions, an intelligence memo had been prepared for the President weeks before the attack outlining the threat, and it was discovered one of the co-conspirators had been “flagged” by at least local level FBI officials, then I have no doubt, no lingering wonder whatsover, that the press, led by Faux News, would’ve hounded that President with questions on why he didn’t respond to that intell better all the way to the point that I believe we would’ve had our second Presidential resignation in history.

I firmly believe that, and don’t really understand how anyone could logically argue otherwise. So knowing that, why is it so uneasy for some on the left to at least allow the questions to be raised???

What’s up with that?

I would like to apologize for saying that you should have stayed in school.
I know nothing about your or your education and get offended by Northerners and Liberals thinking that everyone in who lives in the South is stupid.

My daughter used some southern phrases at Dartmouth and people there would make fun of her. She had no accent but her best friends, Black and White, were from the South.

OK I give up, where do you live?

I lived in a small southern town north of Tampa. It had racists and the majority of the town and the county were registered Democrats. Maybe it was the Robert W. Byrd syndrome.

I wonder why Obama has kept all of his higher education records secret. I worked in Higher Education for thirty four years at both the local and state level and served on national groups. You can’t tell very much about a person by his transcripts, other than the “D” I got in Financial Management of the Firm as an undergraduate. My graduate transcripts and even my dissertation title reveal nothing about me as a person.

I’ve lived all over the country (having grown up in KY). There are a lot of those folks around. Many of them are registered Dem as residuals from the days when the Dem party dominated the south. But I’d wager they’ve voted R in most statewide and national elections.

And how long IS Robert Byrd going to have to do penance for having been a member of the Klan when he was young? Is that going to be his epitaph? “He once belonged to the Klan, renounced it but nothing he ever did in his life after could atone”

Didn’t take long for the trolls to come back.

My graduate transcripts and even my dissertation title reveal nothing about me as a person.

So why do you care about Obama’s then? If you admit they are meaningless, why make a big fuss over them if it is for anything other than to make a fuss?

What is the big deal about Obama’s birth certifate? When I applied for a passport last year I found that in 60 years I never had a copy of my birth certificate. I had been using a Certificate of Live Birth and had to send off for a “Real” birth certificate to send to the Government. They would not accept the document I had used all of my life.

They’ve gotta try to show they earned their dough.

Where? When I had to get a passport back in the 90s, I showed the “Certificate of Live Birth” from the state of Kentucky and it was perfectly acceptable. Same thing when I enlisted with the same document. Obama and the Hawaiian authorities released a copy of the “Certificate of Live Birth” but that never seems to be enough for some folks.

That was a bald faced lie that you just responded to.

Better to not feed it.

I believe Robert Byrd is being honest. Why didn’t anyone believe that Trent Lott was not a racist?

Many people make mistakes in their youth but you can tell a lot about a person by observing the company they keep and the groups they join when he/she is grown.

I know it was a lie but maybe someone is reading who didn’t know it was a lie.

It needed to be challenged as the lie.

Well it a Certificate of Live Birth was not acceptable to the people at the Passport Office when I applied for a passport. I had to wait two weeks to get an Official Birth Certificate.

Do not ever forget: These are real nasty people, who put their own children in harm’s way in order to make a political point. Moreover, I fear that a substantial minority are as dangerous as they are nasty.

Maybe because Byrd belonged to the Klan in the 1920s while Lott was telling us that we’d have been better off if Strom Thurmond had won the Presidency in ‘48 in the early days of the 21st century? As in within the last 10 years rather than 70 years ago?

Understood.

I forget sometimes too and feed ‘em.

Didn’t mean to sound judgemental, although re-reading that post it did sound that way.

Apologies.

I am not questioning his nationality. He should produce a Birth Certificate and stop all of the naysayers. Getting a Birth Certificate is no big deal.

I guess everyone will have to judge if he was serious or making a joke. You have a good point.

What does you comment mean “I guess they have to earn their dough?”

Difference…people aren’t going bat-shit crazy about Clarence Thomas. No one is going outside the Supreme Court with weapons. No one is protesting innocuous speeches by CT to schoolkids. No significant body of a political party, it’s elected political leadership, and a whole bevy of TV and radio announcers are screaming that Thomas is a Nazi or trying to support an armed insurrection by White Supremicists by his legal rulings.

When the President gives an innocuous talk to schoolkids and people say “avoid him”, when he encourages volunteerism by creating a Peace Corps for the US…and its declaimed as a “dangerous Hitler Youth”…when pictures of an african- american dance group are shown and portrayed as a dangerous militant “Obama Guerilla cadre”…yeah, it’s racist. But it’s also “political”…because racism is so closely-interlaced with racism in the Republican Party and it’s spin-offs today. [To be honest, the same was true in the l950’s with the Democratic Party].

Because it is the secrecy that bothers people. I had to show my complete transcripts to get a job because I first worked at a community college. I then had to show another to get a promotion when I got a PhD.

I guess you could tell that I was interested in Marketing as an undergraduate and counseling/psychology as a masters student and eventually as a higher education administrator as a PhD student.

FYI – the person at the rally with a weapon was Black. Maybe he was there to shoot all of the White protesters.

Google Raging Elephants and see what you get.

heh, ya know, there was a time when they would vehemently deny bein’ a troll. Now they wear it like a badge of honour. Too funny.

There was more than just one person carrying loaded rifles at the Phoenix thing. And the others interviewed were all white. It just so happened that the Black guy with the weapon was a parishioner of the preacher that said he wanted Obama to die.

As far as the transcripts, I’ve never had to show any of my college transcripts for any job in my adult life. Once I got the piece of paper that said bachelor’s degree, then that was really all that mattered. To me or my perspective employer.

This race stuff is just what the Republicans and Democrats want the public to focus on. They, both parties, do not want a serious debate about public policy. It is easier to get the American people all riled up about race than it is for either party to answer tough questions about policy.

I am not for abortion but can’t say without being absolutely true that it probably needs to be a personal decision. I believe that you don’t know your true feelings about the issue unless it confronts you directly.

I can say for certain that I do not want the government entering into end of life decisions. My brother and I have been dealing with that with my 94 year old Dad and his doctors. No expensive tests were ordered because even if they revealed anything he could not withstand treatment. His doctor did not charge us for talking about our options. We all decided to put him on a Do Not Resuscitate Status – which was very emotional. I do not want any bureaucrat interacting with my family or my doctors on this issue.

I am a cancer patient and doing well now and want it up to my family to make decisions for me when the time comes.

You are correct about your transcript. I was in the field of Higher Education so mine was needed.

How do you know that the parishioner listened to everything his preacher said? Our President set the precedent for not hearing everything his preacher said. – Just having fun.

Anyone who brings a assault rifle to a rally should be quickly ushered off the grounds even if it is legal to have it in public. I don’t want some loon, left or right, going Postal on a crowd.

OK I give up. I am an old guy and do not know what a troll is. Would someone please explain?

OldFatGuy – now that would probably fit me and most of my friends.

I like the message of stay in school coming from anyone. My Board was a constant advocate for the College Reach Out program in Florida, which was a program designed for students in high risk of not going to college. You would have been amazed at the legislators, Ds and Rs, that would rather fund local pet education projects that cough up a measly $2 Million a year to continue the program. Every year it was a fight. The program had a great track record.
The reason for the fight was the fact that the funding came out of the same appropriation category as other special education projects.

“Darwinism”??? It’s called Evolutionary Theory. “Darwinism” suggests that it’s like a political or religious view (Marxism, Buddhism, Mohammedism). No biologist “worships” Darwin…sets up shrines when his image appears on tortillas. There are regular debates about whether his specific ideas explain this, or that, phenomenon. There are criticisms of his views as they changed over time. He’s certainly an important figure because he was the first to widely develop the Theory of Natural Selection (co-discovered with AR Wallace) , but so are the geneticists, the biochemists, and the mathematicians, the field researchers in ecology and ethology, the paleontologists, embryologists, and botanists.

If the majority of Conservatives don’t believe in intelligent design then how is it that it constantly gets placed into the School curriculum in places like Kansas…and Texas? Why do Science Teachers and the Scientific Community have to constantly waste time, and the time of their students, fighting superstitious concepts and outright lies that have no role in Science Classes? Why is it that Conservative pundits from George Will to Wm. F. Buckley have offered platforms for the promulgation of such nonsense? Why has every Republican President since Reagan given support to Scientific Creationism and IDiocy?

Either they DO believe it…or they are willing to pander to those that would hold back the progress of Science Education in this country in order to get a handful of “know-nothing” votes. It’s like giving people who believe in a flat-earth, or that the Earth can stop it’s rotation for a day without massive gravitational conseguences, or those who believe that the US never landed on the moon 50% time in the Physics class.

I stand corrected.

If you knew me you’d know I am not a racist. I am ,however, someone who would tell someone like you to go fuck yourself, without any problem.

Harry Reid is a worthless piece of shit, a craven, cowering pussy. I hate him probably more than the odious LIEberman.

I don’t think it is the same thing! We are not calling Thomas names like the Right is calling BO all the racist Names they can come up with. A bunch of self centered Asshole who care nothing for their fellow man!! Asshole!

You people

That would be who? You mean everyone less Republicans?

hate Clarence Thomas

Hate is too strong. Perhaps have great contempt for his lack of qualifications, scholarship, and world-view.

because he’s black.

Yes, because Democrats famously hate Black people, like during the Civil Rights struggle..

I am, however, someone who would tell someone like you to go fuck yourself, without any problem.

I guess the moderator is too busy censoring conservative political opinion to worry about vile left-wing personal attacks.

You folks can sure dish it out, but you can’t take it.

Something must be wrong, because I can see this comment.
Damn, moderator, check yourself – free speech is being allowed!

Something must be wrong, because I can see this comment.
Damn, moderator, check yourself – free speech is being allowed!

Something is definitely wrong because my objections to racism are being censored.

It is in Hawaii.

And why are you pandering to those who would insist on this for the current President…when they never did for any other? Why is Obama so “different”? Which of any candidate EVER has been asked to prove his status as “native born” to the public? Isn’t it a bit odd that they are insisting that our first black President do so? Claiming that his pregnant impoverished mother (and poor student father) flew on a series of long trans-oceanic flights to enjoy the beaches of Mombasa for some irrational reason. Then had their baby in some spot where tsetse, malaria, and bilharzia were rampant…and immediately flew back, hiding the passport-less baby in a calabash to avoid scrutiny by US immigration (and airport-staff) and intervening authorities in transit.

Why the rush back? To get those damn notices in the local papers based on the list that the hospitals sent out. Because suddenly, in the midst of her labors, Anne Dunham flashed on the fact that the US Constitution would stipulate that her mixed-race son of a foreign father would never be eligible for the one office she knew he would someday win…US President. Oh, And not only did they need to get back to get the notices in the paper…but to bribe someone to put the documents in the hospital – a fake BC- in order to get the documents needed to have the later issued COLB produced.

The conspiracy and nefariousness of Dunham is stunning. That’s why Obama had to have his mother and grandmother done away with, obviously. They might talk.

BTW Back to reality. His mother makes Obama “natural born” (under the recognized “jus sanguinus” definition under the Law of Anne or of King George II that our Framers would have recognized). In fact, the Founders put the definition of “natural born” into the nations first Naturalization Law in l790. Children born of citizens (which at that time were males) over the seas are “natural born” citizens. Children born within the territory of the US (regardless of their parents citizenship) are citizens, too (jus soli)- we now recognize this applies to both male and female children. These are independent ways of becoming a natural born citizen, all others must go through a “naturalization” process. There are “natural born” and “naturalized” citizens. No others.

Obama is “natural born”. The “birthers” would not be satisfied with the production of a BC…they would claim it was fake. It wouldn’t satisfy them.

There have been several such incidents…why are you focussing on only the one black individual?

I dunno, might be a legit concern.

I haven’t seen any conservative political opinion around here (or anywhere for that matter) for quite some time.

I have seen lies, distortions, fantasies, insanity, rants, and shit so far out there that even the words fantasy or insanity wouldn’t suffice. Lots of that shit.

I mean all that shit can’t be what conservative political opinion is today, is it??

That’s right. You haven’t seen it because three of my comments here have been censored for no good reason.

If the moderator would put my comments up, I’ll let you libs decide if they are worthy of suppression.

Did you even read the bill which discussed this? The only “government involvement” was that it paid the doctors to offer this counseling as part of Medicare. It paid a doctor (or a specialized counsellor) for their TIME to discuss with the patient and their family the issue of a living will.

Now, since it’s been dropped from the bill, Doctors will have to arrange to do this without remuneration. They will likely not do it or wait until the patient may not be fully cognizant. THat takes away their right to provide informed, rational input to their own physician. It creates the likelihood of more Terry Schiavo’s.

If the Repugs are so opposed to this why don’t they make all “living wills” illegal…thats the logic here, after all.

peek-a-boo
Your slip censored, racism-fighting comment is showing.

You mean you had more than 8, 18, 38, 40, and 44? Sure you’re being moderated.

~~~ModNote: We are done with the ad hominem.~~~

COLB’s might vary from State To State…but in Hawaii – and most states- the State Department accepts COLB’s.

BTW Obama had to have presented his BC back in the 60’s to get a US passport to travel to Indonesia…and to travel back. I had to have a separate passport when I was l0 years old in l966…so did my 8 year old brother. Obamas status with the State Department held he was born in Honolulu (it was on his pre-COLB BC submitted for his .passport)..his repeatedly renewed passports show that fact.

Sure you’re being moderated, fuckface.

Yes I’m sure. Sir.

Nice language, by the way. Real intelligent. Your friends must be so proud.

Those in this conversation – make your issue-oriented points, engage in idle and constructive chatter with other commenters, but back away from the personal attacks.

We are through with the attacks.

School Kids should flat-out tell their parents – “If you didn’t like the speech and we did – ‘talk to the hand’…or “blow it out your shorts” or what ever it takes but let the parents who have corrupted by the right neonut crowd…

AMEN to ALL of your post!

Now, I watched the MSM news(!) this evening out of curiousity to see the spin on the President’s pep talk tp school children.

One parent ,who was “con” regarding the speech, referred to the President’s attempt at indoctrinating the students!!!

Ahem, WHERE is the outrage about the indoctrination by corporate interests upon schoolchildren when cola and snack manufacturers buy ads on the school buses and buy commercial time on school networks to hawk their cornsyrup and MSG laden Frankenfoods and drinks?

WHERE is the out rage about military recruiters trolling the halls of high school for fresh cannon fodder?

Here’s a recent piece-and I hope to hell it links:

Back to School: Military Recruiters Increasingly Targeting High School Teens

As millions of students prepare for the start of another school year, we focus on an issue that concerns many parents: the increasing presence of military recruiters in the nation’s high schools and the military’s ability to gather information about students.
We speak with journalist David Goodman about his Mother Jones article “A Few Good Kids?” and with the New York Civil Liberties Union’s Ari Rosmarin, who works on the organization’s Project on Military Recruitment and Students’ Rights.

read more

A Few Good Kids? | Mother JonesHow the No Child Left Behind Act allowed military recruiters to collect info on millions of unsuspecting teens.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/few-good-kids – Cached – Similar

“You people”? Honky jive turkey. Eat grits! /s

I don’t hate Justice Clarence Thomas at all. I fear for what ignorant people like him might do to America. He succeeded because of help from others and then later denied he had received help. That’s simply stupidity and we can’t afford much of it in gov’t.

Actually, I’m slightly disappointed. He only used ONE derogatory term. Remember, this is a ‘foul-mouthed femblog’, so we have a duty to uphold that Republican smear characterization whenever we feel like it.

I fear I am derelict with the foul language. I just isn’t my usual way.

“I still remember my teenagers and their twisted logic”

I don’t see this as “twisted.” This is JUST what the parents are saying. The teenager has obeyed his parents, and he knows it. He doesn’t believe it, but he is following THEIR marching orders.

I hope you’re kidding but I don’t think you are.

Cursing is my steam valve. I will more than make up for your lack of bad language.