Ah, I get it now. To understand how the Republican brain processes the concept of health care coverage, you need to refer to the general attitude the party takes toward abortion: there is much hue and cry and rending of mantles about the fetus, but once that child emerges into this world, it’s on its own.
At least that’s what Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Dumbass from Georgia) suggested to the elderly, uninsured cancer patient who had no other choice but to go the emergency room for treatment. What’s the problem? According to Kingston, the guy has de facto "insurance coverage":
At a recent town hall held by Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA), an elderly gentleman named Jim Parker stood up and told the congressman that he was recently treated for colon cancer. “I did not have insurance,” he said, because “things didn’t quite work out” after he started his own business. Parker informed Kingston that “a friend of mine was in the same position, and we buried him last January.”
Kingston responded by telling the man that “you did do very well” because he was able to get treated when he arrived at the hospital. Parker responded, “I am functionally bankrupt!” Kingston cut him off and reiterated his point:
"But you did get coverage. You didn’t get the insurance, but they won’t turn you down at the door. "
Ah, the old "emergency room as health insurance" canard. It played so well for Bush.
So for Republicans (and the spineless Dems), any contemplation of the patient’s care ceases, full stop, the moment he leaves the emergency room. There are no consequences after that. How the patient is actually going to afford the medical bills is of no concern to Republicans. Instead, the poor slob is left to his own devices, which should be interpreted to mean that he is forced to sell all his worldly possessions, wipe out his savings account, and find a tasteful, yet inexpensive, bedroom set for that refrigerator box under the overpass. Compassionate conservatism, my ass.
(Is it a coincidence that thanks to the last eight years of Randian skullfucking by the Republicans, the requirements for filing for personal bankruptcy are even more draconian? Methinks not.)
And if the emergency rooms are too full of people who can’t afford even minimum insurance coverage? No worries, just call the fire department:
Among the hidden costs of the health care crisis is the burden that fire departments across the country are facing as firefighters, much like emergency room doctors, are increasingly serving as primary care providers.
About 80 percent of the calls handled by Engine Company 10 are medical emergencies because the firehouse serves one of the city’s poorest areas, where few residents have health insurance, doctors’ checkups are rare, and medical problems are left to fester until someone dials 911.
Terrific! What could possibly go wrong here?
What Rep. Kingston and his pathologically insensitive and greedy colleagues on both sides of the aisle think are brilliant solutions to the health care crisis invariably wind up costing taxpayers even MORE than if Congress provided a comprehensive health insurance plan for all citizens.
But then again, if these guys had their way, even the fire departments would be privatized in order to make a buck.




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We got the greatest healthcare system in the world, especially when you are dead.
Once again, “When There’s Nothing On The Horizon You’ve Got Nothing Left To Prove”
Kingston: “See, they were covered.”
Jesus Fucking Christ.
But, you know, he’s a hero.
Fuck the Republicans and the gold-plated pony they rode in on.
the haves have theirs!
the rest of you can go fuck yourselves
See, Republicans know where to get help in a medical emergency and not have to pay for it. If only the rest of us were that smart!
Ya, we know.
Fuck that.
Fuck the Democrats who sit idly by while a cyclone of insanity and inanity grips the public policy organs of the state.
ai-yup.
Time to sharpen the pitchforks and refurbish the torches, folks.
I’m just a little weary of blaming the enabled. The enablers go back dozens of years and can be found hiding under their office furniture when the rain comes.
Ditto.
My mother is an emergency room nurse. Over the last couple of years she’s had to line up patients to wait in meeting conference rooms and hallways for hours and hours, because they didn’t have enough staff for admissions or rooms to see them or rooms into which they could be admitted.
But they’re covered, you know?
From Calculated Risk:
But that’s OK, because they can just move into the emergency room.
Right?
This is fully consistent with their well known pro-life position: from conception to birth.
After that, I’ve got mine, Jack.
AFAIC, the Dems who sit there, collecting a paycheck (at the taxpayer’s expense) and providing anemic opposition, are just as complicit in this as the Republicans.
We do not. A recent study in JAMA shows that health outcomes are better for Brits across the board, even when you control for risk behaviors (which are actually about the same in both countries) and for social class (a much more important factor). In both countries health outcomes were markedly better for upper classes than for lower. What is truly frightening is that upper class outcomes in the US were comparable to lower class (not middle, lower) outcomes in Britain.
Fire departments could be re-privatized.
All those neat-o brass and painted plates on Colonial homes in lovely restored Philadelphia and Olde New Yoork and Olde Towne Alexandria? Subscription plaques to private fire departments; when fire struck, competing fire engines would arrive, but only the company whose plaque was displayed needed to actually, you know, fight the fire and incur the risk.
I suppose we could all start wearing BCBS or Aetna or HealthNet badges to reduce the possibility that someone else come to our aid in an emergency…. Make mine a pink triangle, please.
I know I need an umbrella for this, but…
You have to admire Baucus – while the rest of the Dems are off shitting themselves, there he is, right out front, proclaiming his bought-offness.
Is it true that Max Baucus’ proposed health care reform bill includes a provision that women in labor must order a pizza so they can take advantage of the free delivery?
Message to Obama: No guts, no glory. Help get the message to him by posting on your site, including in emails, etc. (Larger image version)
Obama’s got himself quite a platform Wed. night. He best use it.
Howard Dean in 2012 otherwise.
The law in its magnificent equality forbids the rich and poor alike from living beneath the bridges on the River Seine.
And BTW, there are more than one municipality where the Fire Department is privatized.
Or volunteer departments, yet send you a bill.
They do it in CO too, just can’t find the link.
Here we go again, part ???? of I’ve got mine, now fuck you courtesy of Jack(ass) Kingston. This slogan must be burned permanently into these GOP androids memory chip by the Republiborg Collective.
People like Kingston are so evil I can’t think of a vile enough term to describe him and his sociopathic colleagues.
When Baucus calls his solo effort “bi-partisan” does he understand we take that to mean he’s of both parties himself?
Worse. The Republicans are at least honestly selfish, greedy, assholes. The damned Dems pretend that they care about something other than feathering their own nests.
They have sold a lot of bullets lately. Can’t keep them on the shelves.
And police and roads. Fact is that all of these were tried in the 18th and 19th centuries and abandoned as inefficient and excessively expensive (sound familiar?).
Nothing like the old Aetna reacharound…
Yep. You cannot blame a duck for quacking.
Or a Quaker for ducking.
They just weren’t doing it right.
/Chuck Grassley
I know. I was looking for some shells from my .41 magmum a month ago (for target practice – I want to hit the damned bear, not piss him off) and the shelves were bare.
Hey! I used that in one of my courses years ago. The students didn’t get it.
In case there was any doubt left – and I have my own – I am still pondering if this was the path they charted all along, or if they were trumped by unfamiliar circumstances.
Best example I can think of is Grassley:
He goes out on his Gramma-DeathTour™, and Obama shrugs and smiles.
Who is scoreboarding who in this equation?
I really like, and will steal, that one.
Obama kisses Right and kicks Left.
As I recall, you are in Texas. It does not surprise me that your students did not understand. Look at who is getting elected to office there. (Mea culpa, Max is my senator and I voted for him twice. My only defense is his challengers make Michelle Bachmann look sane and rational.)
Is that lemur scratching there on the side?
But isn’t Paris in Texas?
It’s a “slow loris”.
I want it as a screensaver.
Actually, I have it on good authority from one of my bioanth colleagues that it is actually a slow loris (I emailed her the gif which identifies it as a tarsier). Me, I just knew it was a prosimian.
I thought she hung out in Hollywood.
Sadly yes, I am in Texas. With the idiocracy being multiplied so, I am starting to worry about a brain drain as the saner people leave for either Austin or other smarter states.
It has a place in nature and is useful unlike Rethugs.
She is out scouting locations for the remake of “The Simple Life” and heard they could get a great deal on a place down in Crawford.
Also does not bite the hand that feeds it and shit all over the carpets like they do.
there’s actually a longer video that the gif was taken from.
There is also a Paris, Illinois but I don’t think anybody would go there on purpose.
Exactly the question I have. Well put.
Cool, thanks.
Nobody goes to Paris, Texas, on purpose either.
Watertiger !
Evenin’ all !
Tuesday is the 35th anniversary of the Nixon pardon, which proved that some Americans ARE above the law.
I still don’t know for certain if Obama is weak, very, very badly advised, or so craven that this is the path he drew in the dirt many months ago.
Perhaps it doesn’t matter much, if the House Progressives do not hold together, and I agree with Hugh, that he will try to peel them off.
But his lack of spice in response is both infuriating and puzzling.
There’s a cover charge for those with decent health care
coverage.Pony up, bro.
Beers & Crab Dip coming right up !
Corp tools rule.
These things are not mutually exclusive and, to engage in a bit of Obama psychodrama, likely entirely due to absent-father syndrome. Gotta please those older men in his life, at the expense of everything else, in case they consider also abandoning Barack.
Petro! How’s life in the frozen north?
Wow, do I despise this particular line of thought.
That said, I am unable to find a likely alternative, so I defer to you.
Imagine if Strom was pre-dirt nap.
Very little of the Bush Two Re-arregnum would have happened had Richard Nixon, the Sage of Saddle River, died penniless in prison.
“And I’m not gonna give you a pardon like that sissy Ford.”
–Richard Nixon’s Head, Futurama
Obama’s speech was quite underwhelming in its promotion of national health care. But we get a basket and a public option may be there. Unless Rahm Emanuel has already had his hands in the basket. A Health Insurance Exchange! Wow, that is so brilliant. We get insurance choices! We can go bankrupt with Cigna, or bankrupt with Wellpoint. That is a great choice. Thank you so very much.
Has anyone ever received Chemo or Radiation Therapy in an emergency room? How about a root canal or glasses? Dialysis or pre natal care? People would be better off going to jail, free room and board and health care.
So stand up for it, already!
Fire departments will bill you for ambulance services, if you live outside the city limits. Of course, it may take as much as a year for them to get around to sending the bill. (It took that long for the bill to show up for my father’s ambulance ride. We’d pretty much given up on that one. The only thing that took longer was killing his NRA life membership – gotten before it was political.)
Me, the hopeless optimist, saw two very good things for Progressives, which hopefully includes PBO.
1. The ReThugs severely marginalized themselves over the Summer with Death Panels, TeaBagging and the Dems stood back and allowed the ReThugs to self- destruct.
2. The Dem House leaders are strongly advocating a robust Public Option as are Unions and sites like FDL. [ Run Jane Run ]
The result will be that a robust public option gets signed into Law, perhaps by a slim margin because a Bill without a Public Option means that Obama and the Dems will self- destruct quicker than the idiot ReThugs.
Exactly. Nor would Iran-Contra happened.
You may be right. The lesson of Watergate should have been “no one is above the law.” The lesson Cheney and Rumsfeld took away was “cover your ass.” They are pernicious bastards and I wouldn’t say with certainty that Nixon having been prosecuted would have altered their behavior aside from forcing them to be a little more careful.
Summer finally showed up and we have had a great couple of weeks, Tornadoes notwithstanding.
Have been deluged with lots of Murkan guests though … *g*
I told some friends about your ‘overnight marinade’ and they did that to some succulent Duck … mmm mmmmm good !
As I begin to drink, I find this more acceptable than the sober, likely alternative.
Skol, blood.
EDIT: And of course, you will be here with us to survey the wreckage/vista on Wednesday night, no?
Is that from the episode where he ran for a third term because the law says no BODY can be elected more than twice but he had a shiny new robot body?
Hear, hear!
Citizen Teddy Partridge:
Fuck the “psychodrama” shit…this guy has made it this far by avoidin’ all those “older men in his life” as they tried to first stick the knife in his back and then kick ‘im down the street when that failed… as that old philosopher “Raven” said just this afternoon: “I don’t know what he will do, I’ve never been in his position before.” I think that’s good advice for all of us but I guess I’m talkin’ to a brick wall since you’ve been trashin’ the guy since he beat up Mrs. Clinton for the nomination.
I had a extensive email conversation with a conservative and I’m not sure the problem he presents here is a resolvable one:
Is there any way to even approach even trying to even attempt to calculate such a number? Aren’t we talking about tens of thousands of separate, discrete, individual cases? I just don’t see any way to even begin to calculate such a number.
What does an insurance company have to do, make what it knows to be false challenges and have only one out of every ten people give up in order for it to make money?
When I worked on a med/surg unit, I heard a surgeon tell a man suffering from gallstones that if he couldn’t pay for the surgery he couldn’t get the surgery. “It’s just like a grocery store: If you don’t have the money at the checkout counter, you don’t get the food.”
They do the bare minimum in the E.R. They would most likely treat the pain in the instances you site and then refer the individual to some sort of clinic.
“Sure, there’s a nice, comfy chair in the emergency waiting room, and it will be unoccupied in 6 or 7 hours.”
/Kingston
Citizen tbsa:
You are right but the charges for the ER call will follow the patient into bankruptcy or death.
Well, Buddy, I hope you’re right.
If Obama were Obama, instead of Emmanuel, he’d demand that dems support a public option.
I don’t see any way to get a number that’s more recent than a couple of years old. I understand the 47 million was from 2007, and pretty much an estimate, but what do I know about where it came from and how reliable it is?
Tell him to check Health and Human Services, because they’d be the first place I’d go to find stuff like this. He is,or should be, capable of doing his own research.
I’ll prolly be away from TeeVee & teh Toobz from Wednesday thru Sunday … sorry to miss all the fun ;-(
I must laugh at the usual comment that once the baby is born conservatives leave the child on its own. Clearly an ignorant statement not based in fact. Every corner of this planet has Christian Right Missionaries in some remote place helping the poor, especially children. African is full of American Christian Evangelical missions not NAACP missions. I have also provided a link to the vast array of orphanages. Most are relgious in nature. Liberals like to hold hands and sing John Lennon songs cause it makes them feel they are good people. But they rarely do anything.
http://www.missionfinder.org/orphanages.htm
I know… sadly my family has almost been bankrupted trying to keep our child alive purchasing a medication that our “great” inurance company will not pay for.
Ok.
See if we agree:
President Obama is going to be dealt a hellacious bruising no matter what course he charts.
Si o no?
I am a slow foods revolutionary. Today I barbecued. Not grilled, barbecued. Baby back ribs and a chicken. Coated them with my special recipe dry rub and left them in the fridge overnight. Put them in the smoker/grill and cooked them for about four hours, finishing them with homemade wet BBQ sauce in the the last half hour. Made coleslaw and potato salad as sides, along with real roasting ears.
Iran Contra? When once again Democrats did everything in their power including passing laws to aid and abet Communists? Does this ever end? Kerry felt pretty silly when he went to see Danny Boy Ortega and the next day Danny Boy flew to Moscow.
I’ve heard the same number, but I keep wondering how it doesn’t go up since unemployment is so high. Those folks who lost their jobs also lost healthcare if they even had it. I know that doesn’t answer your question and, it is a good one. But considering the numbers are so fluid it would be terribly difficult to figure that one out.
Conservatives especially the neo-con type, are definitely the enemy. Conservative accountability? Ha Ha Ha!
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That is just horrible. WHY!!!???
AAAAHH. Getting a real vacation, huh?
Thanks! I’ll do that.
Conservatives truly don’t care about any baby not in the womb. When it is out in the world, well…it’s a cold cruel world out here, baby.
I wish you the best. I know it has been my goal for 30+ years to get universal health care.
I’ve seen too much needless suffering and death.
Wasn’t there some recent data (passed week) about the claim denial rates by insurance company in California. Is that what you are looking for.
Totally and respectfully true.
But what about the Americans?
Our emergency rooms are already overwhelmed so just wait until the swine flu makes a significant percentage of our population sick and they start flooding those ER’s as well! It’s going to get really messed up between now and say, next March (i.e. the end of the typical flu season in the U.S.)
Of course, our bought and paid for “representatives” in D.C. and their families won’t have to go wait in the E.R. with the commoners when they get sick.
Si !
Some of it is karma/payback for FISA et al, which is well deserved, IMO.
Uh-huh. Except a lot of those missions will only help if you convert or at least attend church services. CARE Doctors without Borders, and other non-religious organizations do far more for the poor, with no strings attached.
Tears…
I was going to mention that, too
I think it’s from the Cali. Nurses assoc.
KO covered it Thurs or Fri
FunnyWheelieDiva
Hmm, very good point. Kinda like Limbaugh’s 20 million listeners, it’s a number that doesn’t change from year to year or even decade to decade.
Frankly, I don’t think they care about babies in the womb either. I think they care about controlling women. Simple enough.
Commie bastards!
Hello comrades!
That sounds like exactly the sort of thing I’m looking for.
He was taking a medication that didn’t have a generic and then one came available but the Neurologist and pharmacist both said my child should not take the generic. The insurance company will not cover it. We tried other meds and the result was my child in ICU on a vent. fighting for his life.
Stat! Medical Emergency! There is a Troll here! They have cooties and can spread them!
Kelly!
*terrorist fist-bump*
Frantically searches for fight to Montana … *g*
We are fine now.
As opposed to the Republicans who engaged in illegal arms trades, traded with Iran in violation of federal law, enabled cocaine traffickers, effectively creating the crack cocaine epidemic, and provided weapons, training, and money to every cryptofascist death squad in Latina America, bearing direct responsibility for the Guatemalan genocide. Not to mention arming Sadam Hussein and providing him the chemical weapons he used on his own people. Then there is the little detail of creating and arming Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Real good work there.
I’m hoping the gracious Mr. dencal26 meets the Banhammer soon.
*bump back*
Here.
Olbermann did it. Can’t find a YouTube though.
Hoping that if I’m not home,
guestspests will stop coming by … *g*So sorry. It’s hard out here. you want to trust those you elect and those you pay and those you count on, but, wow….I hope your doctors had some pull to get the insurance co. to return your child to the appropriate medicine.
When these drugs don’t work, and you are denied, what’s up with that? Can your State Rep/Senator help? I just don’t understand why we can’t help our children.
Joking I hope?
DIdja bring the Vodka & Mary Janes ?
Try this link
http://industry.bnet.com/healt…..ve-claims/
Thanks. We pay for the meds he needs. Hence the dire financial strights.
Good dog, I’m woefully unprepared, evidently
OMG.
How else can we support our Commie brothers ? *g*
Lovely!
Cocktails!
God love you … and I’m not religious, but it seems right. Maybe we should begin to have sit-ins in hospitals and doctor offices to get care……you know, dial the phone tree and 50 folks show up to be on your side. I’d do that.
All of these problems with Republican ideology- no worries about people after birth and before death, but lots of worries before birth and afte rdeath, no concern for how bills are paid after the emergency room- can be traced back to one thing: their main constituents are dumbshits.
As they are incapable of considering anything long-term, these people must focus on “moments”- times they can get all riled up about, because they can actually think about that singular moment. They are incapable of considering a longer span of time, but they understand a singular moment.
This is why they have such poor memories, and why they are so easy to fool: they literally don’t remember events from too long ago, and cannot consider and compare facts from yesterday to today’s facts.
As mere example, the talk of Reagan lowering government; for all the average Republican voter (the average dumbshit) knows, he very well may have. That he did not doesn’t matter; they were told he did, and they cannot remember that he, in fact, didn’t. Thus they have no ability to figure out the truth.
So for a Republican trying to get elected, all you have to do is figure out a single-moment, single-issue “wonk”- something to get them worked up about that’s simple, catchy, and easy to shout at town hall meetings. Thus, death panels, birth certificates, etc.
Well, whenever I get to come, you’ll call me a pest too!
I demand to know a nearby hotel!
Sweets for the sweet … betcha can’t have just one ! *g*
Yikes but would Jesus let all these Americans go without health care?? Charity begins at home and the statement you try and debunk is a true statement! Since when does the right give a rats ass about the common man in This Country?? Never happen would hurt their PROFiT!!
Christine !
My reps are pukes. I actually did go to Devin Nunes for help, he said he did everything he could. The Doctor has done what he can do to get the administrator (who is NOT a doctor) overturned but it is policy for Aetna, to force patients to take a generic when one is available. Supposedly they make exceptions but I have no clue who they would make an exception for when they denied us.
The more fundamental issue here is that the real constituency of the Republican party is the ultra rich who never have to worry about anything. The rubes are just prole canon fodder to send screaming to townhalls and con into voting against their interests.
Yup! Just what I was looking for. Man! $210 billion in unnecessary costs due to resubmissions of bills? Whoof!
There’s this place nearby called Hotel California … *g*
Thanks. You are a dear. Sometimes this place is the only thing that keeps me sane. Jane is my hero.
Time for me to toddle off. Has to work tomorrow, those young minds simply will not corrupt themselves. Take care all.
And since Nahant just brought up Jesus, I’m going to say again that I stopped my neo-con twin in his tracks by saying firmly, “Jesus would be ashamed of you. That’s not how Jesus would think or do.” I didn’t have to shout. And though neither of us is religious anymore (raised Catholic … can’t seem to get away totally) the very statement that Jesus would be ashamed of the narrow-minded, self-serving, un-Christian thinking was enough to shut-him-the-f*ck-up. Thank you, Jesus! Amen.
Try your State Insurance commissioner.
Countdown.msnbc.com
Scroll through the segments for Friday’s show, if it’s not there, it was Thursday’s…
FWDiva
Thanks DrD, I’m saving that response for future use…
Excellent idea !
Iran-Contra, oh the nostalgia, trading weapons to Iran for hostages and money. Ollie North was in hog heaven, running a secret mercenary army, paid for by Iran.
Al Qaeda is certainly an off the shelf self sustaining secret mercenary entity, for certain US functions. Or Carlyle Group or Exxon or Halliburton functions.
G’nite Sir !
I have to get up early to get fresh Bread & Bagels for these cretins … *g* … G’nite all !
nite doctor
Yeah, the asshole who’s letting 40% of claims go unpaid. I’m sure he’ll do nothing. I will try though. Too bad Garamendi isn’t there any longer.
Man, I wasn’t old enough for chasing around Mr. Ho Chi Minh, but if I was, and found myself over there, I would’ve gladly served with you.
And we’ve had our disagreements here before I’ve taken some of that flame you throw, but it’s always so honest and constructive.
Hiya Petro!
Just back from three days and nights in suburban Philly, with elder in-laws, close to 90’s, but also Ms.CE!! So lovely to see her, after her horrible bout with tonsillitis. OMG what a weekend! Good to walk the runway, now that the airplane he had for decades is donated to a medical service.
Nite all
Glurp!
I’m on the phone with a friend – total blast from the past.
But some of these so-called Christians choose to believe crap like this from World Net Daily!
Can you believe this crap? So I sent them the section by section run down of HR 3200, which of course is not what we want! We want is HR 676 By Congressman Conyers!!!
How did those wankers ever get a toe hold in the psyche of America?
I think he was talking about the California Nurses Association report that some Insurance companies had a rate of denial of almost 40%! Can you fucking believe that 40% for people who are paying them and then getting denied coverage!! Talk about Death Panels.
My son related a story of one of his patients who couldn’t get his script for Plavix renewed and he died of a stroke!! Great fucking coverage there buddy!
Do a wiki search and you will find out…
They own the media.
They own us all. Some of us choose to resist.
I know. They are nuts. I gave my brother lots of fact based information, but he wouldn’t read it. It wasn’t until I played the Jesus-card that he even stopped for one moment to think at all. I’m sure he has retreated into his Beckian/Limballsian ooze of nuttiness already, but ….gee, it sure did feel good to see him actually stop spewing for just one moment!
Are you in Cali near Sac?
Isn’t it amazing how much invest some people have in their own ignorance?
In Central Cali, about 2 1/2 hrs from Sac.
Heck, just show them the ICU bill. Then show them the bill for the name-brand medicine. Vast difference, right? I got meds approved that way once.
And I’ve often thought that if I became homeless, that I would go to the nearest firehouse or police station and camp out in the lobby or on the front steps. What would they do? Would they chase me down the street with brooms? Would they throw me in a vehicle and run me out of town and dump me on some lonesome road? What would they do if I came to them for safety?
Fucking Pozner! I ran him off my property a few years ago when he was running for some office, told him I would never Vote for and Republican ever! I asked him what did they Ever do for the Middle Class??>? He didn’t/couldn’t answer me fucking ASSHOLE!
I wish we could figure out a way to help.
That was the exact rationale we used at the hearing. I guess it didn’t matter. The bills were mind boggling, and we get to pay 20% of that as well.
Did that little prick, Arnold, appoint Pozner?
Okay, long as it’s Margaritasville as well.
I am going to reach out to the insurance comish. We’ll see what happens. I also have an appt with Mrs. Boxer in October.
Jesus. I guess they really just don’t care anymore.
But you know, your family did suffer mental and physical anguish, I imagine. Of course I wouldn’t want to put a dollar amount on it but I bet I know some people who could…
They practicaly dare you to sue them. They have billions and we are virtually bankrupt. They simply outlast people who have to pay attorneys several hundred dollars an hour. They really have people by the balls.
If you ever have to consider bankruptcy hold off as long as you can. You have probably already thought of this. We had to for medical bills and we both got sick afterwards. We just didn’t consider that it would happen again. Now we use the emergency room as our primary care provider and we don’t pay the bills when we get them. We can’t but I don’t know that I would anyway.
Damn, Margot, I love your spunk! I want to play on your team!
But let me tell you some don’t care at all. I was just bacvk east visiting and boy did I run into some very closed minded relatives… Say they are Soooo Christian but National Health Care no fucking way no sire bob, they got their and fuck the rest of us. And the kicker is one is in the Carpenters Union go figure!! I asked him what did the pukes EVER do for Labor except try and break the Unions all to no avail… Don’t think I will ever visit their house again… Still in shock at how much he was a Glenn Beck believer, The Cheney interview was playing and I said I was going upstairs as I couldn’t listen to such Liars!! Boy did I hit a weak point he blew up!! I almost packed and left but sis calmed him down, I refused to talk about anything with him after that…
Not sure but I think so!!
That is something to think about. But he has to see the Neurologist. His condition is rare, need someone who knows how to treat it.
Sigh, I’m so with you…
Have you thought about The Shriners Hospital in Sac?
California’s Real Death Panels: Insurers Deny 21% of Claims
PacifiCare’s Denials 40%, Cigna’s 33% in First Half of 2009
More than one of every five requests for medical claims for insured patients, even when recommended by a patient’s physician, are rejected by California’s largest private insurers, amounting to very real death panels in practice daily in the nation’s biggest state, according to data released Wednesday by the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee.
CNA/NNOC researchers analyzed data reported by the insurers to the California Department of Managed Care. From 2002 through June 30, 2009, six of the largest insurers operating in California rejected 47.7 million claims for care — 22 percent of all claims.
The data will be presented by Don DeMoro, director of CNA/NNOC’s research arm, the Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy, at CNA/NNOC’s biennial convention next Tuesday, Sept. 8 in San Francisco. The convention will also feature a panel presentation from nurse leaders in Canada, Great Britain, and Australia exploding the myths about their national healthcare systems.
“With all the dishonest claims made by some politicians about alleged ‘death panels’ in proposed national legislation, the reality for patients today is a daily, cold-hearted rejection of desperately needed medical care by the nation’s biggest and wealthiest insurance companies simply because they don’t want to pay for it,” said Deborah Burger, RN, CNA/NNOC co-president.
For the first half of 2009, as the national debate over healthcare reform was escalating, the rejection rates are even more striking.
Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:
•PacifiCare — 39.6 percent
•Cigna — 32.7 percent
•HealthNet — 30 percent
•Kaiser Permanente — 28.3 percent
•Blue Cross — 27.9 percent
•Aetna — 6.4 percent
“Every claim that is denied represents a real patient enduring pain and suffering. Every denial has real, sometimes fatal consequences,” said Burger.
PacifiCare, for example, denied a special procedure for treatment of bone cancer for Nick Colombo, a 17-year-old teen from Placentia, Calif. Again, after protests organized by Nick’s family and friends, CNA/NNOC, and netroots activists, PacifiCare reversed its decision. But like Nataline Sarkisyan, the delay resulted in critical time lost, and Nick ultimately died. “This was his last effort and the procedure had worked before with people in Nick’s situation,” said his older brother Ricky.
Cigna gained notoriety two years ago for denying a liver transplant to 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan of Northridge, Calif. and then reversing itself, tragically too late to save her life.
In 2008, six days before RN Kim Kutcher of Dana Point, Calif., was scheduled to have special back surgery, Blue Cross denied authorization for the procedure as “investigational” even though the lumbar artificial disc she was to receive had FDA approval. At the time of denial, which she calls “insurance hell,” Kutcher had “already gone through pre-op testing, donated a unit of blood, had appointments with four physicians.” Kutcher paid $60,000 out of pocket for the operation and is still fighting Blue Cross.
Rejection of care is a very lucrative business for the insurance giants. The top 18 insurance giants racked up $15.9 billion in profits last year.
“The routine denial of care by private insurers is like the elephant in the room no one in the present national healthcare debate seems to want to talk about,” Burger said. “Nothing in any of the major bills advancing in the Senate or House or proposed by the administration would challenge this practice.”
“The United States remains the only country in the industrialized world where human lives are sacrificed for private profit, a national disgrace that seems on the verge of perpetuation,” she said.
CNA/NNOC supports an alternative approach, expanding Medicare to cover all Americans, which would give the U.S. a national system similar to what exists in other nations. Data released in late August by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, which tracks developed nations, found that among 30 industrial nations, the U.S. ranks last in life expectancy at birth for men, and 24th for women.
Yep, this stuff is tearing the country (and individual families) apart. I’ve never seen the likes. I didn’t like Reagan, but I never saw this rancor. I understood why my brother didn’t like Carter or Clinton. I hated Bush. But I have never seen the likes of this stuff. I actually do believe that it has something to do with race as much as it has to do with class. I think white men of a certain ego-dysfunction are just spitting mad. So abused they are. So much they have lost. It is very sad. Also very troubling. Also kind of drawing some lines. I have to be nice to my brother because he controls my health insurance and I’m afraid I couldn’t get coverage. When I go Medicare, I wonder what family feelings will be left.
Link appreciated.
here Newt: http://www.calnurses.org/
Yes, they assisted us with finally getting a diagnosis. It’s a hardship to travel there for all the appointments though.
You know what the really sad thing is, if my husband lost his job and we lost the medical insurance we have we would really be screwed as our child would then have a pre existing condition and no one else would take him.
http://sarahpalintruthsquad.wo…..of-claims/ article on insurance companies and their denial of claims that cost lives. I think this is the link about health insurance in California someone was looking for about denied claims from health insurance companies and this is only California
I just saw where some one had already put up the article but a link shows where it came from and that it was reported on and that they are real numbers not made up ones.Too bad we could not get some from each state
If you want to understand the right — and I do think that is important — then go with science not this pseudo-psychiatry.
Suggest you re-read Bob Altemeyer’s book on line:
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
To understand how the Republican brain processes the concept of health care coverage….
First of all understand there is no one concept for them because authoritarians have very tightly compartmentalised brains. That’s why they make little sense, contradict themselves all the time and are so hypocritical. They have “health care” in a real world sense and then again they have “health care” in a debate about politics sense.
That’s why they can say “don’t let the government get their hands on medicare”.
It’s not that they don’t understand, they just don’t draw any connection between real life health care (their precious medicare) and politics.
Here’s how you say it:
If they say, “You can always go to the emergency room…”
You say, “Ahh, then you DO want to socialize health care! How are you going to pay for the increased health care costs involved?”
You don’t joke about Charles Dickens novels, you just take the argument for what it is: An endorsement of socialized health care, delivered through hospital ERs and fire stations.
So the logical question is: Since you want health care to be delivered by hospitals and fire stations, how do you propose to pay for the increased number of doctors and firefighters needed to implement your plan? How will you pay for retooling and expanding the ER to be a general care facility? Will insurance companies pay for it? Will Republicans pay for it?
That’s their policy: The ER is health care. So do some aikido. Find out from them how they’ll implement it so that there aren’t waits, and cost is minimized. Just ask. See if they have an answer.
I mean, shoot…. If we end up with socialized medicine at hospital ERs, and firefighters are general practitioners, then FINE. Go for it. How does it work?
Bullshit.
You haven’t a clue.
I’ve wondered about that myself. Getting rather tired of Presidents who seem to be acting their personal parental psycho stuff on the national stage and involving us all in the damage. Oh. Oedipus.