Laaaaaaaaadies and gentleman! Late night at Firedoglake, in association with Elephants on Parade, is proud to present a knock-down, dragged out. . . and out. . . fight for the undisputed title of defender of the public interest and leader of the US Senate’s Democratic majority!
In this corner, weighing in at five stones and a bag of loose change, the reigning Majority Leader, US Senator Harry Mason “Give ‘em Hell Harry” Reid:
Dear Friend,
Last Friday, I was pleased to participate in a tele-town hall with thousands of Nevadans. On Monday, I joined hundreds of constituents at a health care rally at UNLV. At each stop, I reaffirmed my commitment to a public health insurance option and heard from thousands of Nevadans who agree with me.
Opponents of reform have been taking to the airwaves in an attempt to derail our efforts. We’ve seen astro-turf protesters disrupting town halls that would otherwise be civil discussions, while shadowy third party groups spread half-truths, myths, and flat-out lies about our plans for reform.
But it doesn’t end there.
Just yesterday, another candidate in the race to represent Nevada in the Senate, attacked me for supporting the public option. Folks, it’s time to fight back, and I need your help to do just that. Please, click here to make a secure contribution online today and support my campaign to stand up for real reform.
And, in this corner, weighing about as much as a warm bucket of spit, in his Silver State silver trunks, the sitting US Senator from the great state of Nevada. . . um, Harry Mason “give ‘em hell harry” . . . Reid. . . .
During a Friday tele-town hall event, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid told constituents that he doesn’t think the public option ought to be a government run program like Medicare, but instead favors a "private entity that has direction from the federal government so people that don’t fall within the parameters of being able to get insurance from their employers, they would have a place to go."
Now, for expert analysis, let’s go ringside:
OK, so, the first quote, the one from Harry Reid, came to me via an email on Thursday. Reid wants money (is the purse not enough?), so Reid flexes his protector of the public option muscles for his partisan and likely mostly out-of-state email list.
The other quote, which references the exact same tele-town hall, references what Reid told his local news outlets. Which version do you think hits closer to the bone?
Well, from the bobbing and weaving that Reid’s staff did after the call (some of which is apparent in the TPM link above), my guess is the latter.
And while the fancy footwork and rope-a-dope might be OK with over-weight coalitions (The public option “doesn’t have to be a government agency, though we’d prefer it,” said HCAN corner man Richard Kirsch), it sure doesn’t sound like a winning combination to me.
Indeed, it is shaping up to look like a lose-lose. Reid the Majority Leader has failed to whip Max Baucus and his Finance Committee into shape, while Reid the four-term Senator from a swing state trails any one of a variety of hypothetical GOP challengers in the upcoming 2010 contest.
And this fan of the sweet science isn’t the only one to notice. Reid was compared to another glass-jawed Majority Leader from the not too distant past by none other than the Wall Street Journal—and the “typo” in this paragraph is the closest thing you will ever see to a newspaper making a Freudian slip:
The Harry Jekyll and Harry Hyde routine has become so pronounced that these days Democrats are worrying if the real concern isn’t Harry Daschle. The former South Dakota senator and Democratic leader also tried this edgy double life, though his constituents got wise to his tendency to put his party’s obstructionist agenda ahead of their interests and threw him out in 2004. The thought of another humiliating leader defeat—this time with 60 Senate seats to their name, and in the first election cycle after Barack Obama’s victory—has Democratic leaders in a near panic.
Awesome, right? (I took a screen shot, just in case the WSJ gets around to fixing it.) But not an awesome right. . . according to the Journal, Reid “polls 13 percentage points worse than Nevadan Sen. John Ensign—who’s just admitted he’s had an affair.”
The Journal also laughs at the public option run by a “private entity” head-fake, but from the other corner of the ring (if not outside the ropes, way upstairs in the peanut gallery). And the WSJ noticed something else, too:
What is certain is that Mr. Reid’s life isn’t going to get less complicated. While liberal blogs and progressive groups, conscious of a Daschle redux, have largely given Mr. Reid’s Nevada outreach a pass, they’ve also made it clear that when Congress reconvenes they’ll expect to see the Harry Reid they’ve come to know and love.
They got it right there. I do expect to see the same old Harry Reid, though I haven’t “loved” him since the days when the champ was the challenger—when the Majority Leader was the Minority Leader. And there is no way I want to watch that one again—even with free pay-per-view.
It is actually hard to take the fight metaphor too far (what round are we in, anyway?)—even the Wall Street Journal slips easily into the gloves (and I swear I did not steal it from them—just ask twolf, who made the graphic for me over 24 hours ago):
To add to the mix, some Senate Democrats are watching their majority leader duck and dive the health-care debate, and they are wondering why they should take a punch if he won’t. Good question. Majority leaders are there to lead. To do that they first need to be honest about what they stand for.
Good question—and good closing. What does Reid stand for? Damn! When I find myself agreeing with the Journal, maybe it’s time to hang ‘em up. . . or at least take a standing eight count.
Or maybe it’s time for Reid—both of them—to finally come out punching. If not, perhaps Give ‘em Hash Harry should just throw in the towel. There are only so many rounds in this health care fight, and only so many minutes in each round. . . and the ref is counting. . .
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“You don’t understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it.”
If the glove fits . . .
Harry v. Harry is pretty scary!
For us, maybe. For the Rethugs, not so much.
Showing weakness in the face of a determined opponent can be a useful ruse. Draw them in close, then blow them away.
Harry, however lives by a slightly different maxim: Draw them in close, then blow them.
I would rather see Harry lose than have him continue as Leader. What a joke he is.
Harry needs to realize that if his constituents want a do nothing Republican, they will elect one. They have rather different expectations from a Democratic Senator, especially the Senate Majority Leader. Firstly, they actually expect him to get things done, especially with a substantial majority. Secondly, the expect him to get things done for them, not the big corporations (if they wanted a Republican, they would have elected one).
Well, at least he is fighting somebody, because he sure as hell ain’t fighting the Republicans.
Dude! Nice to see you.
Somebody needs to ask him how many fights he threw win he was in the ring, since he has pretty much thrown them all since he has been in the Senate.
Whatever he learned in Searchlight, Nevada he has forgotten. That was a hardscrabble place when he was a kid. He forgot where he came from.
Yeah, he is up for reelection in 2010. If he slips up on health care it would be a perfect opportunity for liberals to make an example out of him. We could run ads against him and take him down. It would be a highly visible show of force.
Isn’t there a Chinese proverb that says something like “Shoot the rabbits and the monkeys will fall in line”?
Good heavens, is Harry negotiating with himself…in public?
Let’s hope that what happens in Searchlight stays in Searchlight.
;>)
When he reminded the throng at yKos One of his boxing prowess, he did it in such a way as to seem like he was describing someone else.
He gave himself toughness-props. It was the ultimate self-inflicted reach-around. A truly sickening spectacle.
arf!
On the other hand he may simply have sold his soul to the highest bidder to insure he will never have to go back.
If I was a Democratic senator I would be deeply embarrassed that Reid is the majority leader. The sad reality is that they didn’t have the spine to kick Lieberman to the curb after he campaigned for the Republicans so they’ll never boot Harry… although the way things are going he might be minority leader again sooner than they think.
no shit. there are meds for that too.
newt! :D
lol, someone should do a remix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMWz3G_gPhU
I think someone had his thumb on the scale for that one.
In the spirit of mixed sports metaphors, I wish the guy wouldn’t dance around in the endzone when the other team scores a touchdown.
Today two Nevada polls were released showing HARRIET Reid running behind his potential republicrap opponent. Honestly, i wouldn’t mind seeing some democraps like Sens. Lincoln, Nelson and Reid go down in flames in 2010.
i heard from one person who got an e-mail from harry reid. he replied with “go fcuk joe lieberman”.
“You don’t understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it.”
Great quote and could be applied to Obama and all the Democrats.
unfortunately, Harry’s the least of our problems. Gosh I hope the president has something up his sleeve other than total capitulation for Tuesday.
Slim Harpo has some advice for Harry.
Are there no progressive Democrats in Nevada that could primary Reid?
Are there no
progressiveDemocrats in Nevada that could primary Reid?Corrected for precision.
Get rid of all the DINOs and the Dems would be a tiny minority. In fairness they would continue to wield the same amount of influence that they do in their current majority status, i.e. none.
I’m sure the Carter kid would love to do it, if he could manage.
It will be Compassionate Capitulation, the Dems answer to Compassionate Conservatism.
poor old harry. On a very positive note, Trumka was unequivocal on the tweety show today; PO or NO. Even though mathews really bent over backwards to break Trumka, at one point asked trumka what “he was going to do to” blue dogs to make them go along “are you going to rough them up”? asked tweety in his classic best sleazy, cheap shot, pandering, pile on style. Trumka held forth admirably, eloquently and broke mathews. tweety did that thing he does when he fails, the old “i love what your doing, i really do” thing. bwaahhhahahahahahaaa
“And look at the spiffy new card you get from Not-BluerCross…”
I just got home from a health care town hall with Joe Sestak. It was in a church and the people there were some of the scariest I’ve ever encountered. Bat Sh*t crazy, angry, deranged people.
I have to give Joe credit for sticking it out—for all I know he’s still there as he promised to answer everyone’s questions and I gotta say I would have cursed them out and then kicked them out. They were rude, disrespectful, ignorant, . . . I think you get the point.
It’s one thing to watch the nut jobs on teevee. It’s another thing to find yourself surrounded by them.
I don’t see how we’re going to get through the next 3 1/2 years without some really crazy violent stuff happening.
Good for Trumka. The Dems all need to know that if they follow their usual pattern of knuckling under it’s going to cost them big this time.
It’s not laminated but it’s printed on that shiny cardboard that’s almost as good… they spared no expense.
they spared no expense.
On the CEO’s new private jet.
Anyone remember the movie “The Trouble with Harry?”
Harry was a dead body that they just couldn’t find a way to get rid of. Sound’s kinda familiar, but the movie was a comedy.
Somehow, I ain’t laughing right now.
Thanks for braving it.
Did Joe get anything resembling good information out there, or was it a screwjob from start to finish?
Anthem BC/BS’s too cheap to give you a real card these day… just a stupid tear off hard cardboard thing. They used to give you a real hard plastic/embossed card . Of course, the PPO deductibles used to be lower too…. and yet it’s supposed to be one of top plans in the state! wowee! I feel so secure in the knowledge that if I ever get sick with something worse than the flu I’m probably toast.
Ive never seen anything like this. I knew it was probably going to be bad, but this is maybe worse than i thought. When they crawled back toward their pits after the election i thought, maybe they will just go cry themselves to sleep and if we didnt have psycho anger radio and liar TV, and politicians who should know better egging them on they probably would have. that might be the things thats the most disturbing, the right wing instigators in the gop. I have NO doubt they would move these people against us if they thought they would gain from it. After seeing that woman in Philly disrepected, abused in the most disgusting way with NOTHING, NO attempt to stop it from whoever the slimy coward was mewling and shilling there that night, i got pretty fucking mad. yeah maybe this wont end peacefully.It feels like a surreal movie. a bad one made by rob zombie or quentin tarrentino.
Just a quick drive-by, now that I’ve had my daily exercise-think –
ATTENTION
Obviously the 77% of Americans who favor a robust public option are simply not getting their shit together to get it done. Fortunately, here I am with a plan.
STEP 1. Line up some real star power. (BTW where the hell is Bono now that we finally really need him?)
STEP 2. Massive peaceful public rallies in all major cities, all on the same day at the same time. Have to be so big that tradMedia can’t ignore.
STEP 3. National work stoppage day. Nobody go to work, take a sick day. Have to be in numbers way too big to ignore.
STEP 4. — And this is the key — Repeat weekly for as long as necessary!!!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
That is all.
They have to pay those executive bonuses and perks somehow.
I recall watching a documentary once that talked about how during the 19th century mummies were burned to power locomotives in Egypt. Maybe that is the ultimate goal of denying Americans health care, when the oil runs out they intend to use our cadavers as fuel.
LOL a corpse. thats great.
Nope. Soylent Green. It will replace food stamps.
I love step 3. i am still holding out for a general strike.
Never happen. Americans are either too stupid or too scared (especially right now) to do anything like that.
“Anthem”BC/BS ??? They really named it anthem??? jesus when are we going to discover a disease that kills right wing assholes.
nothing like a quick, dry return :)
I thought “The Trouble With Harry” was an ad for an erectile dysfunction treatment. At any rate, Reid certainly personifies impotence.
Feeding us would suggest they have some concern for out survival. I have yet to see any evidence.
We discovered it long ago, but few if any are possessed of it.
It is called courage.
You mean, checking “Health care: Completed” off his list isn’t enough? It actually was supposed to be a bill that would like help people, with real medical care?
Oops.
yeah right. Look at this “culture” of ours..reality tv, glen beck, rush limbaugh, the MSM, maria bartiromo, i wont even get into the music. we are a bunch of mindless, passive, retarded losers. every snotty thing thing the french ever said about us is true.
Just enough so that we can toil in the mines and fields. Even slaves have to be fed, clothed, and fed.
Our leaders are a lot like Dorothy’s companions in The Wizard of Oz, no brains, no hearts, no courage.
that’s the Cali incarnation. Differs by state.
No shit.
Easy, now.
You can do better than to bring that epithet.
good movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0048750/
That era Shirley MacLaine is a hawtie too :o
Actually they tend to spew that from every available opening.
Bravo for going. There’s a store in town I won’t go to anymore because the people who work there are so enraged about this, and so stupid, ugly, batcrap crazy I can’t stand to be there.
I’ve seen it, big Hitch fan.
It seems like whenever I go to the doctor the TVs in the clinic waiting room are tuned to Fox News. I would boycott any (other) business that subjected their customers to that. Can’t quit going to doctors though so I just try to sit where I can’t see or hear it.
Either Obama’s upcoming speech will be a surprisingly solid knockout, or he’ll start it off with “my good friends Senator Grassley, Senator Enzi, and Senator Snowe, YOU are my most important constituency. Your wish is my command”.
I think that unless the WH backs down off this,and they cant back down Obama May as well resign as do that, there will be some kind of batshit crazy, fat red neck, toofles wonder “revolution”. If (when) that DOES happen, i wonder what what we should do?? We have to present some kind of presence, actual asses and elbows on the pavement at some point. Im not suggeting riots or anything like that but it should be timed for effect and if there were some kind of substantial idiot uprising, or enough little ones all over, we need to show up. WE have to be on the side of law and order and goodness then.
You’re famous, can YOU help lead demonstrations? We gots ta organize.
I was referring specifically to the Republican “foot soldiers” (aka canon fodder) when I said stupid, as they consistently vote against their own self interest (you could also add the brain dead “moderates” and “independents” who are totally oblivious). I cannot blame people for being scared to take action. Work has become ever more precarious and subject to caprice over the past 30 years, so no one feels secure. The powers that be have also so successfully divided us that no one wants to act for fear of being out there all alone.
Especially every time they open their mouths.
We should allow the loonies to sign a contract that they’ll never accept a health care dollar from the US government, Medicare included.
I still love the people who say “get the government’s hands off my Medicare” and the anti-health care guy who got his finger bitten off and had his finger reattached by taxpayer money (the guy is on Medicare).
You and me both.
There’s a ‘Remorse’ bumper-sticker out there. With the campaign logo as the ‘O’.
I’m not THAT Janeane.
A thousand pardons. You’ve always seemed quite smart, funny, and cutting enough; I just assumed.
ORGANIZE!
wasnt PBO a community organizer…wheres Huey Long whenya need em
right no one wants to act alone so we need a big group. or big groups in sveral major cities. And it should be for healthcare, and in support of the president, the constitution, mom and apple pie. There are enough of “us”. Civil rights, labor, peace and health care needs to do this, its time.
The other thing was that mummies were powdered and turned into fertilizer. Lots of nitrates and stuff, good for plants.
Here.
Not only that, but the captive-audience screens in the elevators where I work have ads from them, saying how much they care about our health.
Yeah, right.
ya know you’d think that if you’re selling a really lousy but very expensive product you’d try to impress your ultimate customer with a really fancy embossed card and that you’d at least try to affect the appearance that you really care. But no, they just add insult to injury by giving you a crappy piece of cardboard and an 800 number that rings incessantly with no response. Of course, I guess I’m really not the customer, my employer is, but still …..
yup…march to the sea to dig salt
COMMUNITY
I never had very high expectations of him (I knew he was a moderate centrist and at least somewhat corporatist), but even I am disappointed. Sadly, I still think he was the best choice we had going into the home stretch (certainly by the time of my state’s last-in-the-nation primary).
and magic spell dust too
I’m sayin’. Unmissably large peaceful public demonstrations ASAP or it’s over. No time to start a party, all we have to do is amass bodies visibly for the teevee cameras.
I would prefer Joe Hill or Mother Jones myself.
We have some time. we probably have a couple of months before a final vote (if it ever gets there), the loonies are getting more and more wired everyday. then bang, the REAL movement marches and the MSM is all over it.timing is good, you know, it HAS been done before.
Last night I dreamed Joan Baez sang she saw Joe Hill last night.
You are what they call a captive market. Sort of like slavery, but without the benefits. I don’t know how it is where you are, but here in Montana BC/BS has 75% share and New West has another 10%. That is an effective monopoly.
Mychoice
the Divine Dr.Dean………….he is so sensible
We measured our man, checked out the opponent, and figured we can live with having to spend 24-7-365 pushing the ‘centrist.’
Our lot in life, as it will always be.
Gawd bless us all.
Thanks. I have a VERY similar sensibility to her in my writing style. And the nic is obviously a tribute of sorts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pJhmnYzGaA
And monopoly is the nice word for what it is. Really it’s become a shakedown/protection racket. And the punchline is, it doesn’t even really protect you!
Thanks for ’splaining, and sorry for again for my goof there.
i have marched in DC,NY,and Miami
He is, however, starting to seriously piss me off. I do not care that McFartBrains would have been an epic disaster and the country would probably have completely collapsed, we should be able to do better. We only had two actual progressive candidates (Edwards and Kucinich) and they faded fairly early.
Bad news if you subscribe to the ancient Egyptian blueprint for immortality, which was directly linked to careful preservation of the cadaver. As William S. Burroughs said:
“Oh… somebody is fucking with my mummy!”
ponzi scheme…………period
That is what monopolies are. It is why we have the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, if anybody would ever enforce the fucker.
yep. which is why I think we should push to get deFazio’s McCarran repeal passed and then stand by and watch the RICO lawsuits for anticompetitive behavior fly. Someone has to get these thieves. As long as that law is in place, they basically have impunity. McCarran-Ferguson is basically like one of those droit de seigneur laws they used to have in medieval Europe, which gave nobles free passes for any crime they might choose to commit against a commoner.
I love it when we get paddled for ’settling’ for the lesser of…
While I’m not happy about it, Obama is movable, but we have to be direct as well as indirect. We need our Congress, and we are a long way from having them in our grip.
And I am seriously with you on the pissed-offedness.
me likey
Excellent point. Why are regional health insurance monopolies even tolerated, when they should be obvious antitrust cases?
the corruption,nepotism and greed is so entrenched
I think we will only succeed if we can totally eliminate corporate money entirely from politics and I do not see how we can do that. Too many politicians are beholden.
I always thought Bartcop put it well – “Harry Reid (D-Surrender), the king of pitiful”
See mine at 105.
Well, if universal mandates in any form at all are included in the final enacted legislation, the whole thing’ll be tied up in court before you’ll even be able to start to get out the words “unconstitutional taking”.
Too true, though I know you know my wistful question was rhetorical, no more.
its the cheerleading whore media that will shoot down any good ideas
statusquo…………forevah
hey babe…..good to see ya!
as long as McCarran is in place, insurers are specifically exempt from most forms of anti-trust action. McCarran privileges them.
I would favor a mandate if, and only if, it is accompanied by a robust public option. I think Krugman has made a compelling case for it. If there is no public option, or some watered down BS like co-ops, then it is simply welfare for the greedy and already bloated insurance companies and I will most strongly resist mandates.
what is this law you speak of
There is only one way I can see – complete failure of all systemic governance, resulting in work stoppages and the unfortunate results of such.
I asked Glenn Greenwald once if the only thing to flip this was young people lying down in traffic. I don’t think he had another answer. It’s not about optimism, or pessimism, or cynicism IMHO, but about the normal course of progress, and the sacrifices necessary to achieve it.
They too are tools of corporate and capitalist interests. As such they will never cover massive demonstrations in favor of progressive issues, but provide slavish coverage o the insane antics of a tiny deranged minority of teabaggers. The media are another useful target of the trust busters. Probably the most important, after the big financial companies (too big to fail is to big to exist).
iforgot how many years it took the Indians to rid themselves of the tyranical British rule
agree on all points…they are symbiotic,cant exist without each other
Time for me to toddle off to bed. First week of classes is always the hardest – so much tedious petty BS that has to be taken care of. Take care all and fuck the insurance compnanies!
Without sounding paranoid (if that is possible), the job of the ‘rulers’ is to keep the balance of entitled to those not so entitled low enough (or quiet enough) to keep the streets empty. And to borrow Dr. Dick’s mind on this, the machinery of empire grinds those it does not lift up into a fine powder.
nite doctor
nite DD
My sister just took a trip to Europe this summer. She loved Paris, said the people were so friendly, even though she barely remembered the French she learned in high school, umm, a decade or two ago. She found many of the people she met in Ireland, our ancestral homeland, to be rude and standoffish.
So I don’t believe everything I hear about the French, or the Irish, FTM.
I’m sure the Irish have plenty of awful things to say about us, too.
they will have mounds of fine powdered peeps really soon..starting with the homeless
Europeans would be agag at the teaparties imo,could be wrong…but
The McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, 15 U.S.C. § 1011 is much of the reason why we’re in this mess that we’re in now, in the first place. I call it the Insurance Industry Impunity Act. Basically, the US Supreme Court ruled that, barring Congressional action to the contrary, the Federal government had the authority to regulate insurers. So the insurers promptly lobbied Congress to pass a law explicitly taking away that right, and thereby limiting the scope of future regulatory actions – including most (but not all) anti-trust-type actions – against health and other insurers. The law even prevents you as an individual (or a state government or the USAG for that matter) from suing an insurer in Federal court, in most cases. Basically, it makes insurers legally immune from virtually everything that the Feds can do to hurt their profit margins, restricting regulation of insurers to the much weaker (and more easily swayed) state governments. Insurance is, I believe, the only sector of our economy protected in this manner.
HR 1583, introduced in March of this year by Pete DeFazio, would repeal McCarran… and is basically the insurance-industry equivalent of the sky falling down. Its an elegantly simple bill… just a few lines.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go…..ih.txt.pdf
I think we should pass it.
well guess ill sign off to brother Morpheus myself….
WE SHALL OVERCOME one day
Listening to some old band named The Velvet Underground and Nico.
Someone said they were the Jonas Brothers of their day, except they sang songs about heroin addiction.
People crazy? In Pennsylvania? Say it ain’t so…
Actually, I was afraid our town meeting would turn out like that. Thankfully, it didn’t.
I wish I knew what the secret was. I suspect that Rep. Sestak did as well as he could at keeping a lid on. Were the teabaggers/conservatives a big majority?
thanks…………….lets go for it
Europe has their own problems with far right wing, nationalist parties. They have their own teabaggers, so to speak.
Gotta love it, Harry begging for money from constituents while he rakes in the lobby money from insurance and pharma companies.
we shall overcome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNsEH1GD7Q
But, if the demonstrations were huge in every city in this country, the local stations would certainly cover it. The real problem is we don’t recruit college campuses. The problem with health care as an issue is the kids don’t give a shit. They don’t think they’ll ever get sick, never mind go bankrupt paying for it. There is no communication between 52 year-olds and 22-year olds.
As activist-oriented as this group is, how many showed up for the bankster protests? In the most liberal city in the country, less than 100 people showed up-and less than 10 were under age 40. And that cause was sanctioned by Jane.
A lot less talking and a lot more bodies in the street are the only way to save this democracy (or what’s left of it.) Just from reading here for a few years, there are only about 20 posters I know would be rubbing elbows with me on the street. Where are the rest of you? Where are the rest of the entire blogosphere? The rest of the progressives?
Yes, as it grinds our young into War Food. I am feeling the despair today. We kill people taking advantage of a downed oil truck in Afghanistan by f**cking blowing up the site.
I live in a coastal community where the law of ”salvage” is not only on the books, it’s a communal law. One of our favorite codes is ”Salvage!”. We’re not pirates but why let stuff that someone f**ked up go to waste? I’m sure that’s what the Afghan village we killed and horribly mutilated was thinking.
We have seen EVIL and it is us!
i took a 12hr trainride to DC was robbed in the train station,but marched with peeps decades younger than myself
Not sure what “agag” is. Do you mean agog, or is that a play on “gagging”? Anyway, the main reason I’m amazed at how some of these things have gone is that these people usually don’t bother showing up. Many don’t seem to know squat about the subject, so they clearly haven’t bothered to research things like who runs Medicare, and so on. Sure, a fair share of libertarians, conservatives, and crazy people show up, but nothing like this.
So, yes, I suspect Europeans would be somewhat startled by all this. They’re probably a lot more concerned about our recent penchant for starting wars for no good reason.
OTOH, some foreigners really have despised us just for being “over there”, too. One thing the world is in no danger of running out of is bigots.
good nite…..our world is pretty horrific right now
I know. You’re one of the 20.
agog and gagging……………niters
I’ve kinda wondered how much the ban on Nazi symbols in some countries has made that population less noticeable. Every once in a while, I do hear about them. They’ve had their skinheads, too.
Goodnight.
This is basically what I called in an earlier thread the scorched earth trigger strategy for healthcare reform, which is a nasty nasty course of action that we should only try if we have the gumption to see it through.. because people will get hurt. I don’t even know if I really support it, but we should discuss all the alternatives at this point.
Step 1: Assuming that we fail to get a strong PO, we move to ensure that the bill fails together. PO or No.
Step 2: We focus our efforts on the passage of HR 1583, unamended, and then make sure that no bills providing relief to the insurers from 1583’s consequences manage to squeeze by (as opposed to making the effort to actually turn 1583 into something that’s stable, with litigation reform, and has the capacity to last). The insurers will have a much harder time lobbying for something that so clearly is all about their profits, and public outrage against them will be huge after healthcare reform fails so that this strategy might just work. In this raw, unamended form, HR 1583 is basically the nuclear option, as it would open the doors to massive litigation.
Step 3: We stand by and watch the lawsuits fly, as everyone who’s ever been denied coverage, dropped from coverage or denied reimbursement sues the insurers in Federal court, along with every single state government (’cept the secessonist states) and the USAG. There would conceivably be thousands of class action and individual suits.
Step 4: The insurers will respond by drastically increasing rates, across the board, including on corporate policies. They’ll probably get their paid thugs among the deathers to blow up a few buildings. Millions will be dropped from coverage as they try to make a point. There will be riots, quite possibly. All this will cause the inevitable terminal economic crisis of our healthcare system (10-15 years away, by the numbers, if nothing changes from the current status quo) to happen almost immediately.. within a year or two max. It’ll force things to a head as the system basically comes to a standstill and collapses. All the while, we make sure that no insurance reforms make it into law.
Step 5: At that point, the game is over. Public outrage will be so massive that Congress and the WH will have to act, and the progressives will be able to dictate whatever bill we want. We then introduce legislation with the following features:
- emergency relief for the insurers (litigation reform and possibly the Federal government taking direct equity stakes in private insurers)
- emergency temporary coverage with Medicare for those dropped due to recent events
- a strong real PO
- direct Federal rate regulation (with declining rates over time) for the insurers, to further force competition and cost-growth containment
- employer and individual mandates
- complete portability with Federal prohibitions on denial of coverage for both the PO and private insurers
No. the local stations would give it 30 seconds or less. If they decided to do that much coverage. Been there done that.
We marched in DC in 2004 with 1.5 million for Women’s Rights and got almost no coverage. 30 seconds max.
That era of reporting has gone awol. Every large demonstration we’ve marched in has gotten 30 seconds coverage. Less then a Pharma commercial. This is not an option, this idea we can make the “News”. There is no news in America. Unless you kill your neighbor brutally for no apparent reason. Or have a horrible car crash that takes the lives of young people. THEN young people dying is tragic. In illegal wars not so tragic.
Maybe you’re right and we’re all done.
This is what happens when you let someone bitchslap you over and over again. You look like a bitch. Jesus H, at least if they went down fighting they would have their dignity.
The politician in the mask is going to deliver the TKO to Mr. Reed. He underestimated his opponent, himself.
Do you have any specifics on that, or is it but a beautiful dream? Here in Mass. we must by law purchase for-profit health insurance (policies excluding cancer and pregnancy count). I’ve not heard of any ‘unconstitutional taking’ lawsuit.
So I just wrote to my congresscritter, John Olver, about H.R. 1583. This is brilliant. Someone really ought to tell President Obama, too. He says that he wants competition in the healthcare insurance cartel. Though maybe he already knows….
Isn’t it time some stronger Democratic Senator took on Harry Reid for majority leader, assuming he survives his next election?
A few here keep calling for marches. I plan on attending a healthcare march in Seattle on the 13th – supposedly it’s happening all over the country.
MARCH FOR HEALTH CARE – in a city near you.
http://www.marchforhealthcare.com/home
September 13th @ 12:00 PM