Blah, blah, blah…

Wingnuts learning their manners from Dickless.

Dickless Cheney and Twitchy Bush, The Hague ‘10

I know I for one was played for a FOOL!

This clown blathers on and the Dem shuts him down with one or two words. Pathetic little worms, these Rethugs.

Mornin’, BT, pups

Winger achievements in health care: a deeply sick nation in so many, many ways.

I loved Tweety saying the Rethugs hadn’t done anything with health care since Lincoln. Good expression on the dummy’s face at that.

Meanwhile, Sherrod Brown is throwin’ down:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..wn-UNLOADS!

Here are some good talking points to use on your Con rellies:

30% – Insurance company profit margin
15% – Insurance company administrative costs

Medicare profit margin – 0%
medicare administrative margin – 3.5%

And tell them, hey if they still want to pay $1000 a month so an exec can own his own island by 30 while your kids are denied an operation because of “pre-existing conditions” under our proposal you can still do that. Except that we’ll guarantee your kid gets the operation.

August unemployment rate (pdf) 9.7%, up from 9.4%, 216,000 jobs lost, less than the 230,000 expected, but there were downward revisions of 50,000 in prior two months.

Will see what Obama is made of very shortly. Will he really be an agent of change or merely the Hollow Man devoid of convictions and principles, other than his bipartisanship fetish of course?

In a lot of ways I am a fiscal conservative. I hate to see my tax dollars wasted as they were under GWB. I do not want to see my tax dollars spent to enhance vulture insurance company profits.

Nordlinger says he doesn’t read newspapers attentively. I we should all just listen to the talking heads. They rule. I for one welcome our new overlord , Diane Sawyer.

Funny how the Rethugs coopted the “fiscal conservative” meme. I guess the defintion changed somewhere along the way.

wrong article, sorry.

Used those facts last night with a IBEW member who claimed dissatisfaction with the Union’s position in support of a Public Option. I left the conversation thinking “fucking Texans”!

Good morning all and thanks for the post BT.

Unions are allowed in Texas? How’d that happen?

Just fixed an error. in my 14.

Don’t know for sure but for big projects only the union can put 500+ electricians on a job. Virtually overnight.

From your cited article:

“The White House should not take progressives for granted,” an animated Brown told me.

Ain’t it the truth.

But there’s a big problem in the WH w/regard to that message, and it’s spelled R-A-H-M.

It’s also spelled D-L-C. We get in the way of their worship of the Dollar Almighty.

Despite Mr. Obama’s impressive victory last November, the White House finds itself trying to satisfy Ms. Snowe for several reasons: other Republican senators have turned against Mr. Obama’s approach, the White House cannot count on the support of moderate-to-conservative Democratic senators, and efforts to forge a bipartisan bill in the Senate Finance Committee have bogged down.

this is an incorrect interpritation

they haven’t “bogged down” they never got off the ground

from the very first moment, rush gave the walking orders, do NOT give obama a victory

then someone else said, and I wish I could source the quite;

“if we defeat health care we defeat obama”

and of course the quotes are legion;

“we will not vote for ANY health care bill”

they have planned on stopping government and to be fair, that IS their platform after all, they do not want ANY government projects, if up to them they would sell all the roads, bridges, schools, water works, electricity works and military to the private sector

that is not snark that’s a fact and someone who writes here should do a well sourced entry into that fact

It’s also spelled D-L-C.

heh. are those Rahm’s middle initials? (I have 3 middle initials myself – long story – Catholic thing).

I find it amazing how fast things can change.

From the euphoria of Obama’s win last year, to not voting for him in 2012 if he does not insist on the public option in the health care bill.

And, fwiw, I’m African American.

I hope it doesn’t get to that point; I hope that this is all 12 dimension chess to get the best bill possible.

But after choking down losses on FISA, defending Bush’s Cheney’s secrets, DADT, reforming Wall Street etc., I’m just not accepting defeat here gracefully.

Because there is no acceptable reason for it — the only reason to kill the public option is corrupt politicians taking bribes from insurance companies.

Period.

And so, if this farce comes to pass, I’m done with all of it since nothing we do will ever affect meaningful change in my lifetime. Money will have finished off democracy as we knew it.

I just hope the White House triangulators don’t underestimate the devastation to their base if they give away the store for Olympia and her 89 constituents.

You are not alone. I’m feeling very much the same way. And, I’m not usually a cynical type. Could be the full moon, end of a long, hard week and the heat here. :(

then someone else said, and I wish I could source the quite;

“if we defeat health care we defeat obama”

That was Jim DeMint. Much as I loathe linking to Jake Tapper, I will NOT link to Politico, so here’s the quote indirectly:
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights conference call

We need to start identifying a candidate to run against Obama in 2012. Howard Dean, maybe? Does he have any chance? Feingold?

Unrealistic. Start thinking about who we’re gonna work to get elected in 2010. More than enough work right there.

There’s something about Dean’s personality that rubs too many people the wrong way. Not me. I like Dean. But, I sure do like Feingold too and he presents himself very well.

Sort term goals, medium term goals, long term goals. We need all of them.

Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.

US KIA Irak: 4339 (courtesy antiwar.com)

icasualities.org still down so no casualty numbers for Afghanistan again this mornin’. Server crash.

Be good to yourselves, and all other living things.

Namaste

The way it is shaping up in jan 2011 Sen. Reid will be former sen. Reid.

Hmmm, identify prez candidate year and a half out. I might start making a list of possibles but there’s a lot of life between now and then.

I don’t disagree. But I think we have to begin looking for a 2012 candidate now, evaluating his/her positions on the issues and his/her votes. Make a list, check it twice, winnow it down…

Demi, I like Dean, too. And Feingold seems calm and sure of himself and knowledgeable. I actually like Bernie Sanders and Barney Frank, but I’m not sure of either as a candidate. Some how I can’t see Barney Frank negotiating with world leaders. You can “like” someone for a host of reasons and not “like” him or her as a candidate for possible President. Despite the collapse of the Republicans into a regional fringe party of crazies, I don’t think we can assume they won’t recapture the House and Senate if Obama continues on his current course.

The way it is shaping up in jan 2011 Sen. Reid will be former sen. Reid.

We can HOPE.

Re: 12 dimension chess: Thanks. I so keep hoping you are right.. that we are going to see something that is real change.

don’t think we can assume they won’t recapture the House and Senate if Obama continues on his current course.

I agree and we’re in for a hell of a ride either way. If folks thought 2008 was ugly, they ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Yes either way it goes it will be ugly…best course is to open a shovel store. There’s gonna be a lot of political graves to be dug.

From the euphoria of Obama’s win last year, to not voting for him in 2012 if he does not insist on the public option in the health care bill.

I personally flipped on obama when I found out he flipped on fisa, more when I found out he flipped on giving banksters my money, most when I found out he supported bush’s depraved policies and decision court orders, and now more on this

he would won the nomination as a republican had he run on their ticket

Recently I read that groppers team up with ells: the gropper will chase a fish into a crevis, then the gropper goes and gets the ell, the gropper then points its head toward the area, the ell goes into the crevis. Sometimes the ell gets the fish and sometimes the gropper gets the fish when it comes out.
Regardless of how educated one may be it seems to me that without a high level of emotional intelligence then other types of intelligences are null and void.
I used to think humans were the smartest of all animals but no longer.

Making the sausage in politics is never pretty, so I’ve held my nose on those issues and balanced it all against the many good things that he’s done so far.

But losing the public option is a bridge too far, and symbolically it would be a devastating loss.

I expected bad things from Darth & Co. and they didn’t let me down.

Obama was to be different, particularly wrt lobbyists and their influence.

If the public option goes down it means absolute money rules absolutely, and our votes really mean nothing at all.

If you can’t pass a bill with a provision that 70% are in favor of, is the fiscally conservative thing to do, will help damn near everybody through the elimination of pre-existing conditions and more competition (where’s the cheapest gas in your neighborhood? in mine it’s always at the intersection with 3 stations on it) then what can you ever pass in the public’s interest?

Answer — nothing.

Obama health care ‘compromise’ proves health care reform is not about the public’s health, but about private sector profits. The ‘compromise’ comes from the rational fringe of the Republican party, a Maine Republican shill for big business. From the New York Times: “Ms. Snowe’s proposal recalls a provision of the 2003 law that added a prescription drug benefit to Medicare. At the time, experts doubted that insurers would sell stand-alone policies covering only prescription drugs. … But private insurers, seeing a lucrative business opportunity, rushed into the market, and the government never had to establish a plan of its own. The Medicare drug benefit is thus delivered entirely by private insurers under contract with the federal government.” So, basically, if you can make health insurance a more lucrative business, then you might (might) get a Republican vote or two. Essentially, the health care reform ‘compromise’ will increase the percentage of GNP spent on health care, but have the desired effect of raising health insurance industry revenue — good for the economy, disastrous for workers. Thanks Obama! That’s change we can believe in!

I remember clearly how hard Bush fought for bipartisan solutions to our nation’s problems. He was always bowing to pressure from the left, letting progressives write legislation. Why, Dennis Kucinich was in the Oval Office almost as often as Karl Rove!

It’s good that Obama’s continuing this honorable tradition.

We are seeing now. We don’t have to wait. My thought re Obama?
“Show me your company and i’ll tell you what you are.” My momma said that many times as I was growing up. Now let’s see how it applies to Obama:

Obama’s Best Friends Forever are Geithner, Summers, Bernanke, Goldman Sachs, AIG (now AIU), Rahm Emanuel, Baucus, Ben Nelson, Conrad, Snowe, Wall Street, PhRMA, insurance industry execs, McCrystal, Gates, Netanyahu, et alia.

Now, who do you think Obama is listening to? Who do you think Obama played golf with while on vacation? Who does Obama think has the big pockets who can support him and his companions’ campaigns, ambitions, and interests? Obama has already proven who his BFFs are with the stimulus money and the bullpucky about the profits the US is now making. He’s proven just how many of his campaign promises he intends to live up to: Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; Blackwater contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan; no investigations into the criminal activities of the Bush Administration; Clinton/Bush renditions; immigration reform, and, yes, Health Care Reform.

Obama is George W, Jr. He punked us. Our crummy $10, $25, even $1,000 or $2,500 donations mean nothing when compared to what he got and will get from his BFFs. Now, he intends to drop the public option. After all, it’s what we little punks want, not what Wall Street wants. So, who do you think Obama will want to please? Before you answer, rephrase what was said earlier: Show me Obama’s company and then tell me what he’ll do.

Moreover, Obama is giving the insane fringe their script for future African American presidential candidates. To wit: African Americans do not make good presidents. Look at how weak and easily led by the nose Obama was. Does anyone in America want another Obama? God has proven us right. We are the American people, we are superior and we should be the ones making the weighty decisions a U.S. President must make. We should be the ones to fight for “America’s ideals” and defend America’s morals. Palin and Newt in 2012 and beyond.

Obama has reneged on every promise he made in his campaign.(See David Swanson’s article, “Bush’s Third Term” in The Nation Magazine) I will not vote for him in 2012; Liberals and progressives and many independents will turn away from him, as well; and that is as it should be.

I’m just flat sick of the democrats basically never displaying any spine. I’ve had enough. I think next time around I’ll just sit out the election. After all, what difference does it really make – either way we will never see a more liberal agenda pushed.

Wikipedia: “The statutory authority for SCHIP is under title XXI of the Social Security Act. It was sponsored by Senator Ted Kennedy in a partnership with Senator Orrin Hatch[2] with support coming from First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton during the Clinton administration.[3][4][5]”