Klein has been telling us for weeks now that we DFHs shouldn’t fret about the public option because (a) the enlightened few who genuinely understand the policy nuances, such as Ezra Klein, assure us that it’s unimportant, and; (b) presidents, including those backed by large majorities of their party in both houses, are completely powerless spectators in the legislative process.
To support (b) this morning, he writes:
There’s no successful model for blunting the power of centrists to write — or kill — the final compromise. President after president has found himself foiled by congressional centrists. George W. Bush never truly managed to bring Susan Collins, George Voinovich, or Olympia Snowe to heel. His tax cuts were smaller than he wanted, his Medicare expansion was pricier than conservatives liked, and his attempt to privatize Social Security was batted back.
First, the idea that the Bush tax cuts of 2001, the largest tax cuts in two decades totaling $1.35 trillion, was some kind of bitter compromise the White House was forced to accept under centrist pressure is just ludicrous. Bush got pretty much everything he wanted, and the bill was rammed through the Senate via reconciliation. As for Collins, Voinovich and Snowe? They all voted ‘yea.’
A year later, when Bush decided to preemptively invade Iraq, an act without precedent, he instructed Congress to write a blank check, and promptly got it. Once again, Collins, Voinovich and Snowe all voted ‘yea.’ Those pesky "centrists" that Klein claims got in Bush’s way actually helped the AUMF pass in the Senate, to the tune of 29 Democrats giving Bush his war. The only centrist Republican in the Senate (Lincoln Chafee) was roadkill.
As far as the Medicare bill goes,
Last month, the House passed the measure after Bush made late-night, last-minute phone calls asking members to support it. An unusually long three-hour vote was ended by GOP leaders at 6 a.m., after a 218 to 216 deficit flipped to a 220 to 215 victory.
The Senate’s 54-to-44 vote was not entirely along party lines — 10 Democrats voted in favor and nine Republicans voted no.
So Bush got the Medicare bill passed via Rove’s cajoling and the strong-arm tactics of the GOP House leadership, and Frist again rammed through a bill in the Senate with under 60 votes — with the help of centrist Democrats.
Finally, Bush failed to privatize Social Security because he had zero political capital left after being re-elected by the narrowest margin since 1916, while facing an increasingly violent quagmire in Iraq. It wasn’t a revolt of centrists that thwarted him.
But if Klein really remembers the Bush era as one in which the Bush White House had no success of influencing the outcome of legislation and was consistently held in check by centrists, I’d be happy to play a friendly game of "Concentration" with him any time.
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The ’Klein’ is between the ears.
What’s Klein been smokin’?
THANK YOU!
Why is it that reconciliation is just fine when Republicans do it, but naughty-naughty when Dems do it?
Anything is okay when Republicans do it. They’re just that much more butch.
IOKIYAR.
I guess that’s why they call it the Imperial Presidency and the Unitary/Unilateral Executive because it is really a few “centrist” legislators calling the tune.
I have never been a big fan of Ezra Klein. He has always seemed an apologist for the Obama Administration. This goopy defense just cements that view.
I think you meant “i” instead of “u” in that last word.
Marijuana with hash oil. He is in different world.
Who is Ezra Klein? Is he anybody? Is he related to Joe.
Here.
25yo and he’s already a Wise Old Man (WOM[bat]) within the Village?
Come ‘ere kid, I got some swampland I wanna sell ya.
“Bush decided to preemptively invade Iraq, an act without precedent”
How so? The US invades places all the time and almost never with legal justification.
As my political awareness began during the W admin, it’s very interesting to me to see how quickly people’s principles evaporate once they have a real person in office who they support. It was very clear when the Rs did it, and I guess I’m not surprised that the Ds are doing it. But now we get to see just how twisted the logic becomes.
Back to the cesspool.
Namaste
The Village apparently plucked a wrong-headed thinker from the blogosphere to elevate to Villager status because he looked and sounded so much like the rest of the Village. Ezra brings more and more of the kind of stupid coming from the likes of Tom Friedman.
Thanks, I keep forgetting.
You have to pass an I.Q. test to be a Villager. They don’t let you in unless your I.Q. is less than 80.
You have to admit Iraq was one of the U.S.’s biggest overthrows.
thanks, I needed this Blue Texan ! – just before clicking, was just muttering to myself if one more chardonnay sippin’ muthaf* tells me to keep my powder dry . . .
More and more, when I read Ezra, I think the same thing: ‘what are you, 12?’ Glad to see I’m not the only one.
Ezra Klein joined the Village. He now has his little email group of “liberal” jourolists. What a joke his writing has become.
But the Village likes him.
25 years old and he’s already got all this shit dialed in. Damn. He must be some kinda fuckin’ genius…
I found one good Democrat who was even appointed by Obama. We need more folks such as he. I think the right wing radio nuts have also discovered Van Jones, and have been ranting against him. Jones said the R’s are “assholes”.
I know it is immature, and soooo..coool…But it gets better.
The basic concept is that Barak Obama is in over his head. Hillary would have done a much, much better job on it.
Barak has been bossed around by Congress since he took office. A stimulus bill totally written by Pelosi, Cap and Trade totally written by Waxman. The budget bill with no Obama fingerprints.
Bush never let himself be bossed around by Congress.
Not to diss 25 year olds, but geez Louise, only 4 years out from his undergrad and he’s making mighty pronouncements about an industry that accounts for a sizeable and expanding chunk of our GDP? If I had known this, I would have discounted his opinion even more than I already did.
the Good sh*t? maybe not.
OTish
Do you all think that the secondary gain for O and his sidekick, E, is that some progressives/liberals will become disheartened and go away? Will this delute our liberal pool enough to make us ineffective? Is it true we have no where else to go?
Cheney was his boss and Cheney didn’t think he needed approval to do anything.
Prior to being a pundit, I had a lot of respect for him. And now that he’ become a full-fledged Villager, he has earned the nic for “extra” Klein for perpetuating the NonSense.
Oops, it seems almost everyone agrees with me, or vice versa, I pretty much agree with everyone here at the Lake.
Jaango
That’s a hard sell. The Clintonistas are basically running the White House.
Yes, one corporatist right leaning Democrat would be such an improvement over another corporatist right leaning Democrat. Tweedledum is a failure so obviously what we need is Tweedledee. Ummm, yeah, right.
I don’t see much diff between O & the Clintons. Both are warmongering corporatists.
I owe you a drink.
Ding fuckin’ dong.
Glad I wasn’t the only one with that reference…
:-)
You call this effective?
Good point but we did help get O elected. Or perhaps I am delusional. Maybe the fix was always in. How did an unknown get to be el presidente?
Decider Bush didn’t have much time between bike rides, brush clearing, early bedtimes, and vacations. How much bossing did he need?
When Froomkin got bounced, I read more than once how Klein would still be worth reading.
I’m still waiting for the proof of that.
Speaking of Dan, I know he has his hands full with new responsibilities at the HuffPo, but it’s unfortunate his columns aren’t “must read” anymore.
They are still well thought out and incisive, but lack the linky goodness of White House Watch, which was one stop shopping for catching up on the issues of the day.
Refresh my recollection, how did she do with health care in the Clinton Administration?
hi mary!
they don’t want us to go away totally, they will need us as someone to blame, some one to use as foil to show just how fucking tough they are with libruls, etc. you know the drill
Gotta agree with cregan on this. At least Hillary seems aware of the vast right wing conspiracy. She would have come to the fight with some battle plans. Rahm’nO are clueless.
They aren’t clueless. They are doing exactly what they want to. They are crooks.
Yes, you are right, of course. They just appear clueless because it is so difficult to fathom the stupidity of their actions on this.
Rahm is a Clinton guy.
I’m holding my breath, waiting to see their secret plan. /s
Indeed he is!
In fact, Bill Clinton praised Obama for picking Rahm to be his CoS:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..42046.html
So clueless they overcame the Clinton political jaugernaut to win the Democratic nomination?
Everybody sucks but us. . .well, most of us.
Rahm’s a Clintonite:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..42046.html
Hillary really got the worst of it, though, not just on healthcare but as the feminist bitch partner of the hated Clinton.
it’d be a shame if no one noticed…
Just the price she had to pay to get to high places. She’s very ambitious, and willing to do whatever it takes.
The vast right wing conspirators don’t vote in Democratic pramaries, generally. Apple/Orange.
Which is why I think she would have really tried to rectify mistakes made the first time around. The attacks from the right would have been infinitely more personal to her, motivating a desire for a little revenge…
I think O is doing exactly what Hillary would have done: sell out to the insurance & medical corps. I’d guess the lesson she learned from her failure is that you’ve got to cave to campaign contributors, which, in any event, was her husband’s lasting gift to the Ds.
Here is the larger point I am trying to make. Health care reform is an extraordinary difficult political task. The last 100 years of American poilitics is testament to that.
Certainly, Obama has made a number of errors as he has attempted to enact this reform. Moreover, folks have every right to point out these mistakes and to argue like hell on behalf of their preferred path.
Where I have a problem is with the nasty ad hominem attacks. Calling Obama clueless or a crook or worse, just doesn’t cut it with me.
I suspect she would have sold out less–hard to imagine selling out more. Don’t get me wrong…I wouldn’t have expected much from her either, but I do think she would have done better than what we’re getting with Rahm’nO.
Is it too much to ask that commentators on health insurance/care/reform (whatever) to be old enough that they can’t fall back on their parents coverage?
I’m sorry that you feel that way.
The way to good policy is through a single payer plan. Short of that, incremental change must start with a public plan. Rahm’nO ought to have a clear understanding of that. For reasons unclear to this layperson, they do not. So I stand by clueless in that sense.
he made a living out of blogging and got to WaPo. It’s understandable to want to keep the money and influence. People get coopted. Just read him like one would read Broder.
In the end, so is Obama, if you mean it in the sense I think you do. A Bill Clinonite.
Hillary might have been different. We will never know.
That’s easy. I don’t read Broder. Waste of my time unless I need a refresher on how out of touch these people are and that’s rare.
My memory is better than Ezra’s
B T you have a better everything.
The way to make money in politics is by playing the middle and caring about nothing but the deals you can put together. Rahm Emanuel has been a deal maker for a long time.
Bush got his many successes accomplished by having Rove do tactical planning and execution. Klein apparently didn’t notice that those that didn’t play ball with Bush were sidelined and contained for most of the previous eight years. The ratio of Democrats to Republicans was roughly the reverse of what we have today and Bush made the Democrats nearly irrelevant. He did that by avoiding the mushy, undefined, center.
You either learn from the past or the guy that did cleans your clock.
I had the same basic rhetorical question almost two months ago in one of Scarecrow’s posts
When people are dying or very sick and can not get the care they need because the president is standing in the way of that care so he can garner cash from the corps then I call that president a crook. My husband is one of those who may not make it due to murder by spread sheet. Perhaps my sensibilities are tweaked due to watching him spiral down over the last year.
The Washington Post has sucked Ezra’s brains out with a straw.
Well, in a way — horrifying as it is to actually say — I’m with cregan on this one. Obama doesn’t seem to have any sense of his power, and Hillary certainly would have. You’ve got two centrist-corporatists, basically. But one is capable of getting angry and showing it, and maybe even ACTING on it, while the other seems like the opposite. So with reluctance and even shock at myself, I’m starting to wish Hillary had been elected. Even if she didn’t do as much as we’d like, we wouldn’t have to endure the spectacle of Mr. Nothing Phases Me and So Nothing Gets Done.
In fairness, he works at the Washington Post. Making shit up and salivating over heroic Republicans is probably a mandatory clause in his contract.
More a device more on the order of a 0.2ul micro-pipette! Lets not imagine Ezra has been overly blessed.
That’s true, he was once pretty reasonable. Swine Brain Atrophy running amok at wapo? Aliens beaming a concentrated Idiocy Ray upon Capitol City’s most cherished Institutions? Perhaps there is a more sinister explanation than the obvious one of simple, old fashioned, straightforward, Media Whoring…