Sounds like Mr Orange Shirt was the instigator ,don’t know if that warrants getting your finger bit off

So bringing loaded weapons to townhalls and threatening to kill anybody, including the president, who disagrees with you is OK, but biting off the finger of someone who just hit you in the face is the worstest, most barbaric and uncivilized thing that ever happened in the whole world (and never mind about those Fraternity pranks at Abu Graib and Guantanamo).

Frankly, no, it doesn’t. Seems a bit excessive as retaliation goes. A hard knee to the nuts, perhaps, but not this.

ps I hope the finger biter- offer gets himself a good lawyer ,mayhems a serious crime

Exactly, Thers.

The universe has near-infinite supplies of two things. One of them is hydrogen, and the other one is stupid.

Remember, these are wingnuts. A sense of proportion is not among the qualifications for the job.

And a good doctor. God knows what that crazy anti-reform idiot has. Maybe rabies.

Kind of puts Georgie Tire-biter in a whole new light, doesn’t it?

do you think he used his Medicare to get his finger sowed back on , he was described as being about 65

It is actually a disqualification.

According to the news reports I have seen he was covered by Medicare. I have seen conflicting reports about whether they actually re-attached the finger.

If the attacked man were a little person, we’d be calling him an ankle-biter.

a pox on all this.

“they made you a morrrrron …” oh wait, they did.

btw Thers, you’re always aces

Ouch!

This has been a top headline at Faux for days. I’m sure they’re now telling the wingnutarchy that we’re all a bunch of cannibals.

Yeah.

I’m no lawyer, so I don’t know what this means, but it is however pretty clear that the biter did not go forward with biting malice aforethought — that is, he wasn’t planning on biting off someone’s finger. That would be a weird battle plan.

Even if we were, we would not eat anything as rancid and pestilential as a wingnut.

With fingertips they grow a new one back. You can’t really sew them back on.

I know this, because I’ve seen it done twice. My brother lost his fingertip to an oil rig pipe clamp, and my ex- chopped the tip of her middle finger off with a chef’s knife. She asked me to sharpen the knives… another thing that was my fault.

Danke

maybe they couldn’t reattach it because of the mans objections to government involvement in his healthcare

Lack of intent, I think, can mitigate this a bit, but the law tends to take a rather dim view of maiming of this sort, regardless of intent.

I think a verb missing, amigo.

Do you mean eat? Season on the damned things is closed anyway…

She asked me to sharpen the knives… another thing that was my fault.

She didn’t mean they were really supposed to be sharp.

You’re asking for intellectual consistency from a wingnut? You can be sure that he was one of those screaming to keep the gummint outta his Medeecare!

I did indeed mean “eat” (is now fixed for late comers).

Self-defense.

And his Social Security!

Do they mention that the finger-biting would never have happened if their wingnut buddy hadn’t committed assault?

“She didn’t mean they were really supposed to be sharp.”

She probably thought you’d fuck that up too !

Silly me. We had two sets of knives in the kitchen. Mine (kept very sharp and steeled before use) and hers. She asked me to sharpen hers when her chef’s knife smashed a tomato rather than cutting into it.

Even then, it seems a bit extreme. Would not want to be his lawyer. This is will be what my lawyer friends used to call “an interesting case.” That is not something you want to hear your lawyer say.

No, she knew they’d be sharp. She refused to use my knives because they were sharp.

I used to keep all my knives razor sharp. Lost the knack somewhere along the way, but still keep them pretty sharp (and always steel before use).

It’s never been clear to me what constitutes reasonable force in response to a minor assault. So I don’t do anything.

I think that Rachel said that the bitter was hit twice in the face by the bittee.

I got in the habit when I was single. Sharpening knives with a good set of stones is almost meditative.

Now I have a motorized diamond hone. It’s quicker, and actually results in sharper knives. I didn’t think that was possible, but it is. It’s nothing like meditation at all, though.

A sharp knife is much less dangerous than a dull knife.

Time to hit the hay
probably toss and turn as I fret the loss of the public option
wish I was a drinking man

Oh well ,good night all !

You’re probably right. The guy did himself no favors by taking off.

Can’t say that I have been actually assaulted (other than a small push or two), since the guy broke my nose in high school. With the pushes, I just walk off.

During my years as a cook I don’t think I ever got cut by a knife. You know they are sharp and exercise due caution. It was always the stupid unexpected stuff that got you. Accidently clinked two mugs together a little too hard and get cut by a flying chip. One of the worst cuts I ever got in the restaurant was taking a beer mug out of the dishwasher. It had cracked but held together until I picked it up, then a piece dropped off and cut my little finger to the bone. Good times…

If you sucker punch a senior citizen and then wave your finger in his eye. you get what you deserve. Life lessons come in all shapes. Orange blouse probably won’t do that again.

How many times have you been a victim of minor assaults.

It’s really hard not to respond when assaulted. But the legal system works so much better when you can avoid reacting except to protect yourself.

Yep. You are most likely to cut yourself trying to force a dull knife. I know what you mean by the meditative aspects. I still use the whet stones.

Maybe biting the finger off really was an accident. If someone hit you and jabbed a finger in your mouth (not on purpose) your automatic reaction would be to close your mouth. Whatever – 2 silly men.

Thrice, eCAHN. And that’s three times too many.

Very.

you know, once upon a time there was this crowd of gangsters known as the SA, sturmabteillung.

bullies that caused virtually every opponent of fascism to cower and shrink.

in elementary school, i used to be the target of bullies. and i endured it. until one day, i said to myself no mas.

retaliated. and cleaned the chief bully’s clock. no one ever f*cked with me again. and if i caught them bullying others, i would call them out. they were cowards.

why is it that i think the time has come to fight back?

how about a restoration of the white rose society?

Has it been noted yet (in this post) that the anti-reform protester who lost the finger walked to a nearby hospital where it was reattached AND… this individual had Medicare?

We had his and hers knives because I was a line cook while I was in college. When I realized I was going to be doing it for a while, I went out and picked up a good basic set of Henckel’s knives and a case for them. I still have them, and I’ll probably pass them on to my kids.

Heh. You bring back a bad old memory. There wasn’t a school made for my son after K and before junior in high school. He went to several, and always I got called in for “conferences” of one sort or another. After a few of these, I came to say that if one more teacher or school official shakes her finger in my face I was gonna bite it off.

Sorry. That’s way to much.

I’ll take issue with your adjective, Twain. Stupid is a better descriptor than silly.

That has always been the temptation for me with wagging fingers. A very annoying habit.

They must have a special seminar on finger waggling in teacher’s colleges.

I never got injured, they really were minor assaults. The really funny one was when my ex- tried to light into me in a parking lot while swapping the kids for visitation. I never met her alone for the exchange because I didn’t trust her not to get crazy.

When she got home (we met halfway, different town for both of us, hence the parking lot exchange), she called her local cops and tried to file assault charges against me. Cops apparently told her she had to file in the jurisdiction where the alleged incident happened. From then on, I called the PD where the exchange took place and asked them to have an officer there. She never tried that nonsense again.

nope. The fair and balanced folks said that the biter was an Obama supporter who came over to where the victim
was to pick a fight with “counterdemonstrators.” They didn’t explain how the incident happened but by calling the biter the “attacker” they suggested an unprovoked assault. They also failed to identify the victim as a counter-protestor, hinting that the Obama supporter may have assaulted an innocent senior citizen. These people just lie.

I especially hate it when someone dips their finger in barbecue sauce before wagging it in my face.

I swear to God, if someone put his hand in my mouth in an aggressive way, I would bite off as much as I could get my teeth on. I do not blame the person who bit.

If you don’t want your finger bitten off, do not shove it between my teeth.

I wonder if this will give ANY right-wingers pause? I am not saying I condone fighting, be it punching or biting off fingers, BUT the lefties never got violent. They mostly kept their cool when right-wing thugs did something to them, verbally, or physically. And I thought, “They are wusses — big mouths, no action.” And they have gotten worse and worse — more and more verbally and physically violent.

Now we will see. If it comes down to a fair fight, will most right-wingers shut up?

I guess I am old, but I remember when union members were quite violent. I am not saying this is good, but hey. Fair is fair. And anyone who either HAD a child or has BEEN a child knows == bullies usually back down when there is a fair fight.

Wow. That’s an amazing story.

They do have a casual relationship with facts. If the facts don’t fit your preferred story line, change the facts.

That would depend on whether it was really good BBQ sauce and not that cheap bottled stuff.

It seems fingers are rarely lost in any manner that couldn’t be described as “stupid.” One of my favorite examples is William S. Burroughs and an unfortunate incident with a pair of garden shears.

In 1939, his emotional health became a concern for his parents, especially after he deliberately severed the last joint of his left little finger, right at the knuckle, to impress a man with whom he was infatuated.

Guess the biter wasn’t wearing dentures.

Wow! And I thought my last ex-wife was crazy. At least we didn’t share any kids and my first wife just dropped off the face of the earth for about 15 years. Neither I nor my son even heard from her during that time.

Some of the bottled stuff is pretty good. Hunts especially.

It is that whole conservatives get to create their own reality thing. Most places I know of there is a name for that and they tend to lock you away.

The lawyer who handled my divorce was a good one (he’s a judge now), and he warned me to be prepared for nonsense. That’s why I always had a friend with me for the ride.

At the time she pulled that stunt there was a legal action going over custody of our oldest son. What she wanted out of me was to STFU and send the child support checks.

I thought being a Dad involved somewhat more than that. When he wanted to move into my home, I figured I ought to make it happen if I could. She took great offense at that.

A friend of mine in graduate school lost the end of his index finger playing in the trunk of his grandparents car. The trunk lid fell down and severed the finger. A passing chicken then ate it. His grandfather was so outraged that he killed the chicken. Which they had for dinner. Things are different in Texas.

Dick, I’m just scratching the surface of her brand of crazy. She really does reconstruct reality to suit herself.

My friend Mike used to be special forces. We were at a bar and a guy started doing that pointing, screaming thing in our friends face. Mike lightly grabbed his wrist with his thumb and forefinger and brought the guy down in one second. People really shouldn’t point. It’s impolite.

I’ve found most bottled sauces will work with an infusion of cayenne pepper to give it some kick.

Yech! The only bottled stuff I can stand is KC Masterpiece.

in general, I find their objectivity in reporting to be roughly on par with Pravda, under Brezhnev. In this case they didn’t actually change any facts. They just used artful omission and word choice to suggest a sequence of events that probably differed from reality. They are very skilled propagandists.

Is playing in car trunks common among graduate students?:)

FINGER TIPS & GINGER CONSERVE
Yield: 12 Servings

4 lg finger tips
8 c Of sugar (4 pounds)
Piece of ginger root the
-size of a lemon

Peel and thinly slice the finger tips, cover with sugar and let stand
for 24 hours. Strain the finger tip juice and sugar into a preserving
kettle, reserving the finger tip slices, and simmer the juice gently
until the sugar dissolves. Tie the ginger into a cheesecloth bag and
bruise it with a hammer. Add the bag to the syrup and boil for 45
minutes. Add the finger tip slices and boil for ten minutes. Leave
mixture in the preserving kettle and let it stand, covered, for 12
hours. Boil the mixture hard for 15 minutes; remove and discard the
ginger. Ladle the conserve into hot, sterilized jars and seal
immediately . Makes approximately 12 half-pints of delicious crunchy
conserve.

Glad you had good advice. Priceless in a situation like that.

That’s a good theory. I find a self-administered shot of Jameson’s does pretty well too.

Oh dear. My sympathies. Do you have to deal with her much these days?

Cut 1.5:1 or 2:1 with cider vinegar, KC Masterpiece makes a really good mop sauce.

If you tell them there’s food in it, yes.

The latest report is that there wasn’t any reattachment of the finger. According to the hospital.

But anyone who sticks a finger in someone else’s mouth should expect to get a bitten finger. Probably not bitten off, though.

He was 4 or 5 at the time.

Most people don’t have special forces training, but most people do have teeth.

the two sides were separated by a street. The finger biter CROSSED the street to get in the other side’s face. That is absolutely certain. The biter went out of his way to go to a place that he really shouldn’t have been. And where he likely knew his presence would antagonize those on the other side of the street.

He was at least 20 years younger than the old guy whose finger he bit.

All these things are pretty certain. You could argue that he didn’t know going over the other side of the street would antagonize those people, but we all know that is highly, highly unlikely. He didn’t go over because he felt motivated to engage in a polite conversation.

Another fact, the pro-reform group was 4 times the size of the group on the other side of the street. And much younger.

Judging by the fact the old guy got his finger bit off, which is a bit crazy, it is no wonder that he felt threatened enough by the finger biter to punch him.

One thing for near certain, they are going to find this guy. And, he IS going to have to pay for a lawyer. Yeah, he might get off, and things might get dropped, but not until he’s paid out some good money for a lawyer.

And, I suppose that’s penalty enough.

Did you attend a finishing school in Borneo?

Graduate students are liable to engage in all sorts of bizarre behavior. When I was working on my Master’s I got hooked up with a gang of dental students and residents who really knew how to party. Nitrous parties…

For about the past 20 years I have always made my own. But KC Masterpiece will do in a pinch. Being an Okie I like a nice balance of sweet, sour, tomato, and spicy.

Young for a grad student.

Hell, they will play on the train tracks when the train is due if you tell them there is food there.

mmmmmmm…..maybe.

Heh. Can you make it with honey instead of sugar? I should be able to harvest my hive next year, weather permitting, and I’m looking for honey recipes.

Scarcely at all. The boys are both adults now, and she’s avoided family occasions that I’m at if it’s at all possible for her. When #1 son got married, she asked him if I was going to be there. He replied that I was certainly going to be invited. She decided she couldn’t come to the wedding.

It’s really sad.

The Sepik River in New Guinea, I believe.

actually, I’m sure this particular skillset pays very well.. in the Oceanian Ministry of Truth, and maybe in Tehran and Pyongyang. And shrub’s press office.

Usually when I barbecue I use a healthy dose of cayenne during the dry rub phase. I apply bottled sauce (usually Sweet Baby Ray’s) when it’s nearly done cooking. Works well, the cayenne flavors the meat as opposed to combining it with the sauce which tends to make it kind of gritty.

Yeah, I have a friend who goes through that. when his daughter graduated college her mother bailed because my friend was there. They were long divorced and she was remarried. Simply makes no sense to me. Does make me glad that I have never had to deal with any of mine after the divorce.

Oh yeah. I got good advice and I was smart enough to take most of it.

What, there’s a NEW Guinea now?

I use a chili based dry rub and then finish with a wet sauce in the last half hour.

Guys mature slower than women. But at about age 25, the tough guys start to realize they do not have enough information about their opponent, and there is always someone tougher than they are. At least the ones I know.

Yeah. they did it just to confuse us OLD farts.

Yep, same idea.

Parents who behave that way have their own set of issues, and they seem to really believe that it’s all about them.

It’s not, of course. It’s about the kid. But some parents never figure that out. Unfortunately for my sons, their mother is one of them.

I learned very young that I would never be John Wayne. Instead I would find the biggest, meanest, ugliest guy in the bar (in my younger days I had an unhealthy love of dive bars) and make friends. Everybody else left you alone then.

I did hear someone say that someone should have bitten Clinton’s finger off when he wagged it in our faces about Monica on that day way back when.

By the way, some have made a big deal out of the fact the old guy had Medicare and was protesting a government run health option. But, there is a big difference in helping people who are near the end of their life and no longer working and have contributed to society for many years by giving them free government based health care and giving a hand out to someone who is able bodied and working or able bodied and not working.

Actually, truthfully, I’d be in favor of some kind of single payer system–assuming it was set up so there would be no waiting lists–if it was done on the basis of, let’s say, everyone kick in 2% of their income.

But not on the basis of free except for a very few people.

Everyone contributes an equal percentage of income. Of course, that means some would be paying $200 for their health care and some would be paying $200,000 for their health care, but that would be fair to me.

The first three are practice kids (said a fourth child).

Wait a sec. There’s an OLD Guinea? Where the h*** is that?

The Republic of Guinea in West Africa.

And YET, guinea pigs come from South America. Go figure.

Doctors are smart, *g*

Yep. From the Andes, where they are the other other white meat.

What I noticed with my kids is that the first was relatively easy and everything’s new and exciting for the parents.

That’s just nature’s way of fooling you in having another one. Second kids are devil spawn. My younger son is the one I really worry about, not that there’s much I can do about it.

My parents said much the same thing: I was easy, if way too smart for my own good. My sister (#2) had to find the hardest way to do everything. My brother (#3) was an accident.

Free?! where on earth did you get the idea it would be free?

According to our cats, Cockatiel is the new white meat.

I think it helped that I was impossibly scrawny, 5′11″ and 135 lbs. I grew up in Oklahoma where the good ol’ boys tend to range over 6′ and 200 lbs.

I knew there was a reason I quit after one. ;-)

MM MMM good!

Not much meat on one of those.

The national dish of Peru.

Oh man! I loved my cockatiel. He died at eighteen, of natural causes, fortunately.

Wait just a minute.

Everybody who is working is paying into Medicare now. Medicare is not some sort of free-ride for the elderly. It does provide a basic level of health care, but it’s still a long way from comprehensive. And even those on Medicare are making premium payments.

Time for me to toddle off. One more day of corrupting and then I can rest. Take care all.

One of my friends was 5′ tall and weighed over a hundred pounds when he entered kindergarten. He continued to grow at a similar rate.

G’nite.

I should go too, splendid evening to all.

The cats never got a chance to find out, though they surely wanted to. One funny moment came when the cockatiel flew over to the cat tree and landed on top. Cat saw that, and started up the cat tree. The cockatiel took off for safer parts.

Yeah, I ought to get between the sheets myself.

Good night, ‘pups.

I’m gonna head off too. Sweet dreams everyone.

*waving g’nite to the leaving sleepyheads*

Exactly. My dad was detailing how much he and mom spend every month on their Medicare premiums and drug coverage. It easily runs to over $8K/year which is a huge chunk of a fixed retirement income.

With all the caterwauling, we’ve hardly discussed how any of us will pay for health care now and into the future other than by mandates upping the pot of money by compelling contributions from the uninsured young and healthy.

G’night sleepy Pups!

FWDiva

I was 5-11, 195 in high school in NJ, about 12 miles from Manhattan. Never had a fight until I was a little high and loud. the guy was about 5-8, 160 and I guess he wasn’t thrilled with obnoxious guys crowing about winning a basketball game. Asked me quietly if I wanted to fight. I yanked off my jacket, and walked into a punch I never saw. Yhe cartoons are accurate-you really do see stars.

Any way, picked myself up and after about 3 minutes I was done. As two of my friends were helping me to my car, it turns out my foe was parked right next to me. His friend said:

“You really shouldn’t have messed with that guy.”
I responded, “No shit, Sherlock.”
He said, “because he fights Golden Gloves in the city (NY)”

I said to my foe, Johnny. “You coulda told me that.”
He said, ” I would’ve if you weren’t acting like such an a-hole.”

We became good friends after that.

There are life lessons everywhere.

I know someone who tried guinea pig. Said it was like rabbit. (This is someone whose mother raised rabbits for food.)

Maybe the banks will bail us out.

ceos and lobbyists in the lifeboats first

great post, excellent comments.

Thers, thanks for the theranianesqueisms.

Sen. Franken talks down an angry crowd and retains all of his fingers. I underestimated him.

Forgot the video link to Sen. Franken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNs7Zpqo98

They could have eaten one of his fingers, but they thought he would taste funny.

I’m sorry, but the name Haymarket puts a lie to the words lefties never get violent. Violence is seldom condoned by lefties in the 21st century, but it certainly has been condoned by leftists in the past.

Oh well … let’s go back to 1884, why don’t we? OK — YOU talk about liberal violence in the 1800s and I will talk about right-wing violence in 2009. Or — we could both talk about NOW.

Rolling eyes.

Hey! I heard JESUS (the Prince of Peace) went wild in the temple and crashed over the money-changers’ tables, too. Do you REALLY want to get into a food fight?

Blanket claims of virtue are seldom correct.

You made a demonstrably false general claim that I refuted. Get off your high horse.