I have long hated that phrase “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”. It has come to be code for all the descriptive terms you use in your post. We are not seeking perfection, or really even good, imo. We are seeking something that is simply adequate. That’s all we’re asking for–something sufficiently adequate that it will address a given problem.

correcto

“Don’t let the adequate be the enemy of the good.”

I like it.

Exactly. The other false choice you hear is “better than nothing.” No public option in the bill, but it’s “better than nothing.” The real choice is between “something” and “something good.” Although you could argue that a bill with no public option is actually worse than nothing.

It’s over! Move on.

I love this!! Thank you.

Not to reopen old wounds, but this is what a lot of us who support single payer have been hit with here, especially by some of the HCAN people. Which reminds me, where are they on this if the public option bites the dust?

Depending on how that would come through the grinder, it’s very possible that something might well be worse than nothing.

That the US cannot reasonably reach universal health care says a lot of things. The most obvious is that the people are no longer in control of government at this time. Obama appears either powerless or unwilling to lead this country to the civilized and reasonable place of other mature, free nations by providing its people with standard basic healthcare.

We have been sold down the river to corporate America. The American people are just a pocketbook to be picked. Although I feel I am too old and have too much family that needs me to move to Canada or Australia, I have to begin thinking how I wish to move forward in life. Certainly some sort of “opt out” living will be my choice in the future: Cut back on media consumption, consumption of corporate product somehow. Now I don’t hate business or even corporations, but a slave I will never be.

this calls for a subpopulation of people off the grid in a major way. I don’t know how to accomplish that, but I will be thinking about it, and looking for friends.

What else can we do, and remain free?

Outstanding post, Peterr.

My view is to never trust anything politico says, ever. They are the voice of republican saboteurs. I do think the administration would like to get health care reform that immediately lifts the uninsured into some sort of care security and is scalable to add small businesses of increasing size to the system. After that expansion will be mainly up to the voters. If the Dems/Indys expand their majorities then government funded health care will be similarly expanded. If the country elects Republicans to Congress what passes this year and is expanded next year will be all the US gets for now. That makes this bill pretty critical, whatever it looks like. When all the noise is done, I’m betting the HELP bill passes the Senate under recon rules and then sails through the House. What’s your guess?

Indeed, from what I’ve been reading, the current WH plan is to dump any sort of public option or single-payer solution, and go with Romney-care (how’s that working for ya, MA?), and I perceive that as much worse that nothing!

A mandate for everyone to have coverage, but with no means to control our out of pocket costs? Thanks, but no thanks!

Imagine how much worse things would be of Obama had surrounded himself with lobbyists… /s

Just an interesting bit about Canada:

Conservative PM Harper (Dubya Bush’s pal elected with the aid of American Right Wing operatives) has been chipping away at Canadian Health Care. The creep was re-elected.

Exactly correct. It is imperative that progressive members maintain their pledge to hold the line and vote against any bill without a viable public option.

This is the task at hand. Make sure they don’t sell us out.

This is why Collegial-Senator-cum-Boxer Harry Reid has tasked himself with trying to find Republicans who will vote for a piece of crap bill so Reid can sidestep our progressive opposition to a crap bill.

seconded !

Rev, I somehow missed dday’s Bradley post – right on !

I am with the HR676 Single Payer bill holdouts, who are keeping the progressive window open so that, at least, we will have a robust public option. I am on Medicare now, paying (even with the best supplemental coverage) $600 a month less than I was on Anthem BCBS. If I have to pay a little more in taxes to bring everybody in to decent coverage, I’d be happy to do so.

Many of those folks opposing the public option (or any reform whatever) profess to be Christian. They seem never to have read Matthew 25, and are all caught up in Leviticus. Should we stone people who demonstrate against healthcare reform on the sabbath? Just askin’.

don’t let the pluperfect be the enemy of the plu-good.

Under The BAD, please enter, EXPENSIVE.

Sorry for shouting, we must have a robust public option. Now.

That is discouraging indeed.

I swear with enough money you can make enough people stoopid enough to vote directly for facism. I believe it.

Maybe the “great experiment” is failing?

Discouraging man, very discouraging. I always thought the people of Canada wouldn’t so easily by the lies the way Americans do.

Intersting you should bring up Romney.

Since he and the Carlyle group joined forces a while back,they have purchased the chain of Manor resthomes,and there is also a Carlyle nursing home in Framingham Massachusetts,btw.

The Carlyle connection is seldom mentioned it seems.

Michigan Messenger » Michigan House approves bills to soften …Sep 19, 2008 … Michigan House approves bills to soften Carlyle Group takeover of Michigan nursing homes By Todd Spencer. Sep 19, 2008 … close () …
michiganmessenger.com/…/michigan-house-moves-bills-to-soften-carlyle-group-takeover-of-michigan-nursing-homes – Cached – Similar

plu-naise? *G*

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O/T but related to Bain Capital,Mitt Romney’s firm-Dated today:

KKR, Bain Capital, Others Bidding on Bellsystem24, Nikkei Says‎ – 20 hours ago
2 (Bloomberg) — Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., Blackstone Group LP, Texas Pacific Group and Bain Capital LLC are among ten investment funds from the US, …Bloomberg – 35 related articles »

my god yes. “the enemy blah blah blah” is all i hear. Its one of those obnoxious slogans that the media pick up on, of course failing to mention, that the worst “enemy of the good” is the bad. in fact the perfect is not the enemy of the good, “the perfect” is the mother of the good. without a concept of the perfect there can be no concept of the good, as evidenced by our political “leadership”

right. imagine how much worse it would be if the insurance cartel had 11 trillion dollars more money to abuse us with, and WE were forced, by law, to hand it over to them. my gods what a nightmare. good thing we elected ”the most liberal democrat in the senate”….

LOL, I remember the Republicans calling Obama “the most liberal democrat in the senate.”

Wonder what they would’ve said if it had been Russ Feingold. You know, probably the actual most liberal democrat in the senate.

Oh nevermind, I know I know. Had the democrats nominated Max Baucus, the Republicans would’ve said he too was the most liberal democrat in the senate.

They still think the word Liberal is a bad word, don’t they???

I think that’s changing.

Quickly.

God I love the young. They’re making a difference.

“The good is the enemy of the best.”