I guess that means everything needs to remain secret. . . which, of course means that we must kill everyone we torture, abuse, render, or falsely imprison.

I wrote about the brutal, insane yet ineluctable logic of the torturer back in Jan. ‘07 in the context of the Maher Arar case.

By my reasoning then, and I think it still stands, an innocent victim of torture is MORE likely to be murdered than a guilty one – to protect the torturer, the government and the policy that led to the torture. It’s much easier to justify brutalizing someone like KSM than it is an innocent like Arar, a software engineer from Ottawa with no connections whatsoever to terrorism.

and that’s my point, that was the purpose of torture also, to facilitate the “shock and awe” since the hardware was spent immediately they had to continue their shock somehow

even with the shock and awe, there was a window of anticipation whence we might have left and been seen as liberators

that was a few months and I am guessing the window was closed the moment they realized we were torturing captives who might not even have been assoicated with sadam, we already know they weren’t associated with bin laden and al qaeda

and there is antother time line shocker;

we already knew there was no link between al qaeda and bin laden, the cia told the administration, the fbi told the administration, the anti terror legue headed by clark told them there was no connection

yet they initiated their policies anyway

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there was no intention of getting information, they wanted false confessions and they wanted the programs to become known

I don’t think the U.S. was ever welcomed. Period.

Yes, come “shock and awe” us. It was invasion, opposed by most of the world, and many if not most Americans. The rest is government spin.

Rule of law for the GOP means rule of the strong over anyone they want to control. Even the ABC guys seemed somewhat taken aback by the anti-democratic tirade of this leader of the Republican Party.