Everyone knows that Capitol Hill is a hotbed of morally challenged, opportunistic leeches available to corporate interests at discount prices, but who knew the scum would float to the top so quickly? It’s only been seven months since Obama’s inauguration, and daily stories about some pinheaded wingnut embracing his or her venality already seems . . . routine.
The latest bigotrix, Kansas’ Lynn Jenkins, spent the weekend gnawing off her leg to escape the trap she set for herself:
Alas, The Ottawa (Kans.) Herald finds one reason to doubt Jenkins’s excuse. A month ago, the freshman lawmaker supported a resolution that included the very phrase "great white hope" in a historical context that made clear its origin.
In late July, the House of Representatives passed, by unanimous consent, a measure urging the president to pardon heavyweight champion boxer Jack Johnson, whose career brought him success in the ring and racist vitriol outside of it. Included in the resolution, which passed on July 29, was the following phrase:
"Whereas the victory by Jack Johnson over Tommy Burns prompted a search for a White boxer who could beat Jack Johnson, a recruitment effort that was dubbed the search for the ‘great white hope.’
Would you like a fire extinguisher for those pants, Ms. Jenkins?
And when there’s a lull in the legislative branch of fearmongering and hating, the religious nuts step up to fill the void, reaching stratospheric levels with the offensive rhetoric:
Chris Broughton, the man who brought an AR-15 rifle and a handgun to an Arizona Obama rally earlier this month, says he "concurs" with his fundamentalist pastor’s prayer for President Obama "to die and go to hell."
And in an interview with a local TV station, pastor Steven Anderson himself elaborated on his statement to TPMmuckraker that he would prefer Obama to die of natural causes so "he’s not some martyr."
"I don’t want him to be a martyr, we don’t need another holiday. I’d like to see him die, like Ted Kennedy, of brain cancer," Anderson now says.
All this lunacy made me wonder – would we be seeing this devolution of political discourse if the country had actually gotten serious campaign finance reform passed? Would this cancer of arrogance and inbreeding, the blatant corruption and calls to violence we’re witnessing in the health care reform debate, have had a chance to metastasize if Congress weren’t more concerned with fundraising than they are with legislating? And how likely is it that the Supreme Court will reign in the corporatocracy when it rehears Citizens United v. FEC next week?
According to Krugman, not very likely:
But the Nixon era was a time in which leading figures in both parties were capable of speaking rationally about policy, and in which policy decisions weren’t as warped by corporate cash as they are now. America is a better country in many ways than it was 35 years ago, but our political system’s ability to deal with real problems has been degraded to such an extent that I sometimes wonder whether the country is still governable.
Oh, well. At least we can watch Tom DeLay on "Dancing With the Stars".




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Sick. Sick. Sick.
Did we mention that he is black?
Ue Kaca!
Barring a miracle produced by Madam Justice Sotomayor, I’d say the probability is less than any epsilon you could name that’s bigger than 0.
Guess Anderson’s a racist, too. I think I’ll have a heart attack and die from not surprised.
Three Docs!
The President is neBONGGGGGGer, Dr. Dick.
“He said, ‘the sheriff is near!’”
No, dadblameit, I said, “The President is a nBOOONNNNNNNNNGer!”
Nothin’ quite like authentic American gibberish.
Will NO ONE think of the white men?!!
Yeah. They are still pissed off that they can’t say that in public. It is down right racist not to let folks openly use racist epithets, I tell you!
Truly a man of God, and Jesus like in his compassion.
But what do you expect from the Pastor of a strip mall church?
reign: what monarch’s do
rein: what you do to horses
rain: what falls out of the sky
Rayne: blogger at fdl
I’m wondering how many homeless disabled minority veterans he had to set on fire to get accredited in that church.
Reverend Anderson better hope there is no such thing as Karma. I don’t know of a life form lower than his current incarnation but if there is one that’s what he’d be on his next go-round.
Actually we need more holidays.
From fucking wingnut, hate-mongering assclowns. Really.
I am so sick of these folks and their take on everything. Don’t they realize that the civil war ended about a century and a half ago?
I wonder if any of them watched that NatGeo show on the “Human Tree”. Damn, I wonder how they feel about being descended from “Scientific Adam and Eve”. They were from Africa (wingnut heads had to be exploding over that bit of Science). Can we send these assholes back there? Naw, why would we want to send our white trash out to sea? It would be unkind. And there’s enough pollution.
Here’s the piece of it I just don’t get. Okay, Barack Obama’s daddy’s from Kenya, and he was a black guy. His momma was from Kansas (hmmm, Kenya and Kansas…) and a white woman.
So if they’re correct and he is that particular racial epithet, isn’t he also a h***ie?
In other news it has now been determined that investigating and prosecuting people for crimes will have the chilling effect of making people reluctant to commit those crimes in the future.
We can’t have that, now, can we?
You forget their much beloved and biologically nonsensical “one drop rule.”
Apparently, no. Judging from recent actions in Texas, I’d say that their opinion is that we’re in the intermission.
Of course, judging from the things some of them have said, they aren’t aware that the question of secession was settled in 1865.
That’s part of it, making white fundamentalist Christians believe they are a persecuted minority. I suppose if you can believe everything in the Bible is literal truth you can believe just about anything.
Perhaps none. He probably accredited himself.
He just set them on fire for fun.
bigotry is bad enough. This is sedition and incitement to rebellion. In any other society and certainly in any society less free than our own, including the one our rethug friends say they would like to live in, these wouldbe insurgents would’ve been legally gagged, if not outright imprisoned, years ago.
I’m a haole who grew up in Hawaii where almost all my friends were mixed race. I don’t get the one-drop rule at all.
Too little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Particularly since it contradicts itself about every third page.
Every day is the Scopes Monkey Trial for these sorts.
WWJWD?
Who Would Jesus Wish Dead?
Religious fantacism is gonna be the death of this country.
-G
The Bible isn’t true? Now you’re going to tell me there’s no Santa Claus. Meanie.
Well, as Olbermann put it (correctly) they could secede and instantly turn Texas into a third-world country.
No Santa Claus?
I’m telling the Easter bunny.
In practice, they only literally interpret those parts of the Bible that they can easily twist into corresponding with their own perverted world view.
In my intro class, I use the comparison of the “one drop rule” for blacks and the blood quantum rule for Native Americans (the two operate in directly opposite manners) to illustrate how fundamentally stupid and meaningless our racial classifications are. Always gets a few raised eyebrows.
In my case, I grew up in Oklahoma under Jim Crow and segregation in the 50s and 60s. I get the “one drop rule” real well. It does not make any biological sense, but plenty of sense if your goal is social marginaliztion and political disempowerment.
I get the impression that parts of it aren’t far away now.
If you mentioned the “Scopes Monkey Trial” to most of these folks they’d probably think you were talking about a market research for a mouthwash.
Seriously.
Heh. The latest thing I posted on my office door was “WWCD: What Would Cthulhu Do?”
No, I’m going to tell you there is no Sanity Clause. Just look around you if you think otherwise. Would we have Birthers, Deathers and Tea Baggers if there was a Sanity Clause?
There isn’t a Tooth Fairy or an Easter Bunny, either.
Objectivity has a well known Satanic bias.
And really, to finish the job, all you need to do is pack the courts.
True, dat.
Can we please move Austin to, I don’t know, the Bay Area? And move all the Orange County republicans to Houston? It would be an even trade.
Eat your soul, which is what it feels like the wingnuts are doing anyway.
This is all the result of sublimated sexual expression. They just want a really good spanking!
That’s the thing, the Bible is so ambiguous and contradictory that if one looks hard enough, their is a verse that can be used to bolster any subjective opinion.
Praise T. Jefferson et al we have an Establishment Clause though.
Kulkulkan! Dr. Dick!
As for that Chris Broughton fella. Talk about some serious issues. I wonder if he’s enjoying his role as the Thomas Sowell of the militia movement?
-G
Wingnuts don’t have souls. They already sold them for empty promises.
a new Spanish-speaking country in which the secessionists will ultimately become minorities ;-)
And in Eastern Oklahoma there was the crazy prejudice against Native Americans to go along with it. Mrs. BC got to experience that when her then brother-in-law and wife were killed in auto accident. She wanted to raise her nephew (then about 2), contrary to the parent’s wishes.
The only way to get custody was for her mother-in-law to admit that she was 1/2 Cherokee. She wouldn’t do it, she denied that all the way to the grave.
I meant my soul. It’s feeling seriously chewed on lately.
Well, that’s the problem right there. They already ARE minorities – they just don’t know it yet.
Don’t faze me, Brough!
A coworker once asked me since I don’t believe in Hell, what stops me from committing acts like rape or murder? I asked him if believing in Hell was the only thing stopping him from doing those sorts of things? He thought for a moment and said he supposed so. I encouraged him to go right on believing in Hell.
I grew up in Eastern Oklahoma. My son is half Cherokee. I know that world far better than I want to.
I’d mourn the loss of Austin and San Antonio. And as a Californian, I’d gladly dump Orange County. We could add San Diego County to sweeten the deal.
I’m convinced that if these orcs had gotten ahold of Jesus, He never would have made alive to Pilate’s palace. They would’ve lynched (and probably eaten) him on the spot.
I really don’t get people like that. Not even a little bit.
Nah. They would have stoned him as a child when he chased the money changers out of the temple.
captured in living color on teh youtube
no. they can’t have this county, although I would not have a problem detaching everything north of Sorrento Valley and selling it to the OC, prior to trading the OC to Texas. Oh, they can have Duncan Hunter and Alan Bersin too. And Santee. We’ll throw in Santee. It’s hot there and the trailer parks are filled with mean looking people. They can have Harbison Canyon too. It’s supposed to be haunted.
Hell is a huge waste of energy, who pays the bill for all that fire? But a real barn-burner when it brings the collections to the pulpit.
If someone’s moral compass is so weak that they are restrained from committing bad deeds by the idea of “hell”, they have other problems as well. IMHO anyhow.
I came to the conclusion a long time ago that a lot of conservatives generally and religious conservatives in particular lack an internal moral compass and regulator. The only thing that keeps them from committing despicable acts is external constraints (fear of getting caught/punished).
Improper raising by their parents. That’s almost a sociopathic attitude.
But if they really feel that way, I think they ought to get hellfire and brimstone at least twice a week.
The only possible good news in that is that it’s inconsistent with the diagnostic criteria for antisocial personality disorder. External constraints don’t mean quack to a sociopath.
And sometime in the very near future, the JesusCamp graduates will matriculate. Praise be.
I suppose I’d have to favor giving Kern County, Tulare County, Kings County and Fresno County to Texas, too.
That’s going too far. Leave it at the OC.
That’s fair. SD and Orange county thugs just relocate to Galveston. There-done deal.
OT but the hell with it. Scissors in one hand U.S. map in the other I voluntarily cut Texas off the map and pasted it near Easter Island. yup.
TThanks for including San Antonio, BC. Austin’s not the only oasis, though S.A. is less Democratic than it used to be. Partly, I believe, due to all the Anglo immigrants from the rest of the U.S.
And, of course, we have our share of upwardly-mobile, comfortable-living Hispanics who have become Republican.
I believe S.A. might quickly become the capital of a new REpubic of Texas, since it wouldn’t be long at all until Hispanics were the majority of the population.
And plenty of them right here were never immigrants to the U.S. – their ancestors were here when Davy Crockett and Sam Houston immigrated to Mexico.
This secession thing, I suspect, would not turn out the way its teabag/promoters think it would.
No worries. It’s Late Night–OT is impossible.
Hey, Watertiger! Thanks for this
Hi, Pups.
Between this and Jeff Kaye’s earlier post, I think I’m going back to bed and pulling an extra pillow over mah heid.
There just aren’t words…
FunnyWheelieDiva
Most of them are borderline.
I’ve got news for you, newton. The JeebusCampers are already graduating from places like Liberty U, Regent U and Patrick Henry College.
If you want to have the willies scared out of you, read Hannah Arendt’s God’s Harvard.
i live in austin and it’s already not really in texas. if we’re going to hawaii, let me know so i can learn the customs.
Well then I feel so much better.
And thanks for the rec.
Good on ya, I have a hard time staying between the lines.
Uh, B.C. – didja type that a little too fast? I believe Hannah Arendt died a couple decades ago….
Tejana,
Those people are idiots. It would take an act of Congress. Now, if it were put to a plebiscite, the people might vote to give Florida back to Spain and Texas back to the Bourbons. If any can be found…
Shazzzbot. Hannah Rosin. Damned forgettery is operating again.
My copy of God’s Harvard is on loan to a friend who teaches at our local fundie high school.
They also tend to believe that only their own peculiar brand of Christianity is correct and that being one of the few “saved” individuals gives them a license to treat others like shit.
Yeah, Amazon schooled me.
I presume, when you say “those people” in this context, you refer to the descendants of the late-comer Anglos who are holding these secession rallies, rather than our distinguished Canary Islander families and descendants of landowners of Nueva Espana? *g*
Not to mention to lie, steal, and commit any kind of abuse.
Lynn Jenkins is but the latest Republican to let slip what her real views on race are. She has offered a pathetically unbelievable claim that she didn’t know that the phrase “great white hope” was tinged with racism. She is but another genteel Junior League racist in pearls and high heels whose interaction with the “coloreds” is when they wait on her hand and foot. She would never be caught dead in a sheet, but she would also never willingly allow one of “them” to be elected to high office. She is just another redneck bigot who thinks that a bit of polish makes her hateful ideas more respectable.
As for the “reverend” Steven Anderson, he got his theological “training” by memorizing much of the King James Bible. He heard a voice and, “Poof!,” he was a minister. No training in Greek or Hebrew. No theological studies. He just memorized an outdated Renaissance English translation of the Bible. My guess is that he hasn’t the slightest knowledge of the sordid history concerning the KJV of the Bible and the intrigue surrounding its creation. This is what passeth for understanding among the conservative sheeple.
Can you say “C-Street?”
Yew gotta be careful there pilgrim… someone is going to think you’re going to give Bourbon to all the Texans. And that will get MADD all up in your shit.
hmm. I don’t think they’ll want all those foreclosures they have that way. Maybe we could throw in a few towns in Tauscher’s old district. They can have Antioch along with their useless excuse of a rethug sheriff.
No worries.
(Oh gawd, Rachel is playing Gov. Goodhair making his stoooopid statement about the feds’ “oppressive hand.”)
Naturally.
Ceasar Cheney would have given him a big thumbs down.
-G
If you give them enough bourbon and they might almost become tolerable (sez the Okie). ;-)
I’m just baiting the historically challenged, Jo.
Yup. Having grown up in a mainstream church with actual divinity schools, with pastors who had indeed studied Greek and Hebrew, I was stunned to learn that many of these folks need no education at all.
Of course, at this point in my life I understand that they view education as leading folks away from the “truth.”
Hmmm-that first guy in the clip from the Capitol secession rally (all 205 people, huh?) sounds just like Andy Devine!
I’d declare Texas part of the Ottoman Empire. Let them make footstools…
All this lunacy made me wonder – would we be seeing this devolution of political discourse if the country had actually gotten serious campaign finance reform passed?
I’d have to say that much of this vitriol would be there anyway. The financials can distort what we see on TV and in the press thanks to all the advertising money they shell out. They’d also still be able to wind up these fools and get them into our faces. I don’t see how Congress would change that one way or another.
My late aunt, mom’s eldest sister, God rest her soul, once saw me reading a contemporary translation of the Bible. She looked over my shoulder, sniffed, and said, “I prefer the Bible in Jesus’ English.”
I was good, I behaved myself and said, “Yes, Auntie.”
Adam and Eve sinned when they ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. IOW, ignorance is bliss.
LOL -
even though I’m beginning to wonder if I can claim Maryland or Pennsylvania citizenship through my mother? May need to keep a bag packed…(much the way I did at one point in my childhood – the ’50’s, the era of duck and cover – in case of atomic war causing me to become a refugee….)
I know, I’m just being late-night Snarky. I’m unemployed after midnight, so WTF I might as well make fun of freetards and wingnuts. I’ll have lots of time to do it between filing for that socialist unemployment thingy and drinking heavily…
Wow, speaking a language that hadn’t been invented yet. If that ain’t a sign of divinity I don’t know what is.
One of my uncles (mom’s side of the family again) was very unhappy with me when I changed majors from Music to Biology. When I went on to graduate school in Statistics he was even unhappier.
It wasn’t until I understand that he saw education as leading me away from The Truth that I understand why he was upset. Not that there was anything I could do to reassure him at that point.
She just confused “Aramaic” for “Americanish.” Happens all the time.
Hi RF!
Tell that to a rabbi. You’ll pull back a bloody stump.
Feel free to borrow my mantra.
“Be a burden to society, it’s the LEAST you can do.”
-ratfood
Very restrained of you.
Sadly, I recall a lunchtime Bible study years ago (at work), led by a kind, well-educated (not wingnut politically) young woman who said something similar – more neutral, but the assumption of “translation” from
English….
She didn’t miss my dropping jaw and skyward-shooting eyebrows – to her credit, when I pointed out what she had said, she kinda blushed and apologized for saying such a dumb thing.
But if someone like her can make such a slip, I shudder to think what the truly dumb really think.
Oh dear. I hope you can find something soon. It is pretty grim out there these days. I am still trying to see some signs of a real recovery.
doG, I’m sorry, Jo.
Here’s hoping you find a new gig quickly.
You have no idea how restrained that was. I was 19 at the time, and if I didn’t know it it wasn’t worth knowing.
I like that.
Well, “did we quit after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!” so I’m not going to either. I’ll continue to do the least I can for as long as possible or until I get my job back! I’m applying for a job as a Lava Lamp repairman tomorrow at CostCo.
The President’s probably not even Old Timey!
Hi Kelly!
Did you know that Aramaic has 15 different ways of saying, “What do you think you’re looking at, sugar tits?”
Yup. One of my childhood (Indianapolis) friends was sent to a psychiatrist by her parents freshman year – near as I could tell, it was because she began questioning assumptions – much as I was doing at the same time somewhat to the South of her.
But then, most of my h.s. friends (we were all such nice, good girls) were not allowed to go to the big, sinful Indiana University in that Hoosier Sodom, Bloomington. I kid you not. They wound up, like my friend, at Ball State, Evansville, and more obscure places. (there were the exceptions at DePauw and such).
It tickles me no end to see The Dependable Renegade here on a regular basis.
Good luck, Jo. There but for a per-semester contract go I.
Actually, there have been quite a few Bible translations from English to whatever. The example I know best is the Hawaiian Bible.
In order to translate, you have to be fluent in both languages. The 18th and 19th C missionaries that produced the Hawaiian ‘translation’ weren’t fluent in either Hawaiian or Greek and Aramaic.
Is that marginally better than thinking it was the Vietnamese who bombed Pearl Harbor?
Someone on Rachel or Keith or the radio recently mentioned overhearing that said in a bar soon after 9/11.
Whoa! I iz lerninz new things ever day!
Time for me to toddle off. Have my first classes of the semester tomorrow and with Tuesday/Thursday classes, you actually have to teach the first day. No going over the syllabus and sending them home. Take care all.
Very true. I’m not judging the Hawaiian from English version, but we all know what happens when you don’t start with the original (or at least, we language-major-types know it ain’t pretty).
I don’t know what the situation is on your campus, but I’ve got students hanging from the rafters this term. Higher Ed is very countercyclical.
It’s true, I read it in the Gospel of Mel (Gibson).
I think you are confusing that with the “one drop rule” for wingnuts’ mothers. They only get to drop them on their pointy little heads once.
G’nite.
They must have. The U.S. only ever fought one war.
Have a great one, Dr. D!
Wow! The Aramacians (BushSpeak™) knew about stuff like that? I thought they were all like Chris Rock (Rufus) in Dogma.
??? Another overheard conversation?
I signed in a grad student, so I have 26 students in a 25-person class right now. I figure someone is going to drop sooner or later, though.
Hey, I heard that in a church I went to once.
Something about it’s better to be a fool for the Lord than a wise non-believer. I don’t think they got it right, whatever the right verse is.
This Gospel of Mel (Brooks)?
Kinda. But not black. :)
Well, they pronounce it “Aroma-ic,” and think it means, “Wake up and smell the coffee.”
Now that I think of it, we do have a record number of incoming freshmen this year. It doesn’t really affect me because I teach mid-level courses, but it sure is a young crowd I see on the streets.
Pretty much started in 1776 and kept going in one form or another by your friendly neighborhood republicans either in Gubmint or close (Prescott Bush and friends) ever since.
Good clip.
Heading out. Sweet dreams to all.
Actuallly, that reminds me, I picked up a new book at the library today – “Soldier from the War Returning”, Thomas Childers – asserts that the “Greatest Generation” had a lot more PTSD, by other names, and divorce rates, and troubled post-war lives, than the myths would have you believe. Seems he started by following some relatives lives, and got deeper and deeper. The intro says between 1945-47 the divorce rate in the U.S. was the highest ever, including now.
The level of cultural misunderstanding (on both sides) was really appalling.
The Polynesians had an adoption custom called hanai, in which the Ali’i (the nobility) exchanged infants to raise as their own children.
Because the process was completely informal, in the sense that there were no written records, the Missionaries didn’t recognize hanai children as belonging to their hanai families. It caused a lot of grief when Liliu’olulani became the last Monarch. She was high Ali’i because she was a hanai child of high Ali’i. The Haoles didn’t like her attitudes and beliefs about the proper relations between Hawaiians and Haoles, so they held her adoption against her.
Nite RF. Sleep well.
Nite Dr. Dick.
Ta ta ratty-kins!
I feel a nap coming on. Take care, all.
I can’t imagine how those Calvinists with their high necks and long sleeves could possibly have understood the Hawaiians. Or vice versa. I suppose each thought the other completely nuts.
I don’t know if we’re at record levels. But the U is up nearly 10% in both headcount and SCH.
So the Lege is going to cut our funding. There’s a really bright move…
Uh-oh – pups deserting the ship. Better hit the hay myself. G’nite all who are left!
Good night, RF, Dr.D., EDP and anyone I missed.
perhaps the Christianist Republic of Texas should adopt Aramaic as their state language. It’ll revive a dead language favored by fundies, and the rest of us wouldn’t have to be bothered to speak with ‘em.
My parents knew WWII vets who were tortured by horrible nightmares (and other symptoms of PTSD) for the rest of their lives. It wasn’t discussed like it is now and there were no trendy names but I am certain it has been around since the beginning of human history.
Which state are you in BC? Or does your use of the term “Lege” indicate you, too are in TX?
(I always thought Molly Ivins might have coined the term; never heard it anywhere else)
They didn’t understand each other. The idea of fee-simple land ownership was so foreign to the Hawaiians that they didn’t believe it. At least, not until the Haole’s Courts started enforcing those deeds of ownership.
I’m just west of you, Tejana. Nuevo Mexico. I got here by way of Hawaii (to age 14), California (to age 21), grad school in Kansas, and then here.
I lifted the term “Lege” from Molly, blessed be her name.
I’m sure you’re right. The author of this book says something like, today’s young vets get a bad rap, believing, or being told their grandparents were tougher than they are, just sucked it up. I gather (from the whole 3 pp. I’ve read so far) that’s part of his motivation for writing the book.
Just keeping on moving slightly east, huh? Think you’ll make it to the Eastern Seaboard one day? ; )
I sashayed a bit to the west from Kansas.
My son is stationed at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina, so I guess I’m going to see a lot more of the East Coast than I ever intended to see.
BCT, you all better be careful. You keep up that trend of moving and pretty soon you’ll be an East Coast Elite!
My ex-FIL was a career Army guy who saw WW II, Korea and two tours of Vietnam.
He was a tough old bastard, but he’d tell you himself that he saw things no one should see, and that it affected him.
Jo, I’ve been here for going on 23 years. I might have one more move in me, but I’m not sure. It depends on what Mrs. Dr. BC does career-wise.
Okay, closing laptop and going to bed for real. Be good, y’all!
Gotcha…
Catch you all in a bit!
Me too, Tejana.
Good night, folks.
Absolutely. After WWI the Brits called it shell shock.
Hey, Pups.
FWDiva
g’evening, Pups!
I remember my grandad explaining that one of the neighbors near the newdealfarm had suffered shell shock in WW1 and “was never the same.” A shy, gentle man who stoically helped his brother farm. Back in the day, you were supposed to keep a stiff upper lip ‘n all that bullshit. Now i have a son-in-who, after 1-1/2 yrs in Iraq, insists that he doesn’t have a problem but for some reason is ALWAYS either drunk or stoned.
Well, hey, as long as he’s “medicated” I’m sure he doesn’t notice the problem. Everyone close to him, otoh…
FWDiva
One of my uncles was in the second wave at Iwo Jima and everyone of his sisters & brothers said he was not the same… I saw at times what it did to him, getting sopping drunk, couldn’t keep a girl friend and in general made a mess of his life.. All my uncles never said any thing about their war /combat times except in a few small snippets, without every saying anything about what horrors they witnessed or ever about killing the enemy… All my Vietnam Vets refuse to talk about their combat experiences either…. They just wouldn’t open up as they probably should have…
Here’s a thing. Back in 1982 I dropped my brother Jim off at the Navy induction center in Phoenix (Yes, in Phoenix, they have receiving centers there for all branches.)
We talked and wrote and then with the advent of the internet emailed and kept together for marriages (his and others) and so forth for a long time.
Once 2003 invasion of Iraq came around, he became morose. (He was the engine chief on a Ohio class sub then.) He wrote to me, “we are not allowed to tell you what you’ve seen on CNN (as regards Shock and Awe) but you’ve seen parts of it on CNN.”
He faded from sight until 2005. He surfaced long enough to get divorced. I asked him what the hell he was doing, and never heard from him again; even when I emailed him to let him know our sister was passing from cancer.
I still don’t know where he is or what he’s doing, and he hasn’t responded to multiple communication attempts to tell him about my dad, who is pretty much going terminal as far as the docs are saying.
Somehow, he’s gone; and I don’t understand why.
I just despise the military. I don’t get what has happened to Jim, but something did.
hey nahant
FWDiva, yeah, sadly my 5 yr old grandson notices way too much. Not a healthy situation.
nahant, i have a friend who was a green beret and spent 12 years in ’Nam. He says he was on the first boatload of youngsters stupid enough to buy into it, and got out at the beginning of the really ugly part. He’s now a penniless street musician, and opens up about his experiences (and how gut-wrenchingly it changes you to kill someone) to youngsters at the U who are either returning vets or newbies contemplating the military. I think he performs a valuable public service.
Hey everyone, ES has the LLN thread up ^^^^^^^^^^
(((((Kelly)))))
Oh, dear. That’s just awful. I’m so sorry.
FWDiva
hey PPD how goes it??
We get on the big bird tomorrow evening and back by 10PM your time. This trip has been great fun… today we met up with my cousin who is retired from the “T” and we toured Boston downtown and then over to Harvard… He got us on the T with his retiree pass and we kept bumping into his old buddies there.. we will be glad to be getting home to the real world and real California weather not this “Wait a minute and it changes shit. from sweltering humid heat to Tropical storms and down pours and now they are predicting FROST!! Can you fucking believe it??
I would say so!! Good for him he has found a way to help other Vets who are suffering and need a willing ear and shoulder..
You’re right! Only sick people have such thoughts…
I’ve to agree with Mr.Krugman on his views of our beloved country.
But,I wonder if these people who made such dis-tasteful statements even realize that words have power. …and words should be express carefully with respect to the past & future generations to come.
This is a small percent of the nation’s population. many that would move on to hating the crickets making their noise at night keeping them awake.
But they have their pied piper(s).
I can understand the curiousity of such insanity inflicting fellow Americans. Sort of a call for health care reform but, aren’t they being overly publicized?
Is this overly publicizing of these fringe wing nuts embeding them into the republican party ? Just lacking their covertness?
Do you ever find yourself yelling “PLEASE DO, ALREADY!” when you see the news reports of the Texans talking secession? I don’t see how it could be anything but a disaster for them, but even if it works out great, at least they’d shut up already. Maybe we could have them name their new country The Real America and convince Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin to relocate down there while we’re at it.