Phoenix Woman wrote yesterday (actually, twice) about the emerging Village contention that, why, of course Ted Kennedy would have swiftly and gleefully traded away the public option to pass something that could be called healthcare reform legislation, however useless the end result might be.
The latest attempt to make this leaden trial balloon fly comes from columnist Steven Pearlstein in this morning’s Washington Post:
Asked about his greatest regret as a legislator, Ted Kennedy would usually cite his refusal to cut a deal with Richard Nixon on health care.
. . . [in 1971], Nixon asked Congress to require for the first time that all companies provide a health plan for their employees, with federal subsidies for low-income workers. Nixon was particularly intrigued by a new idea called health maintenance organizations, which held the promise of providing high-quality care at lower prices by relying on salaried physicians to manage and coordinate patient care.
At first, Kennedy rejected Nixon’s proposal as nothing more than a bonanza for the insurance industry that would create a two-class system of health care in America. But after Nixon won reelection, Kennedy began a series of secret negotiations with the White House that almost led to a public agreement. In the end, Nixon backed out after receiving pressure from small-business owners and the American Medical Association. And Kennedy himself decided to back off after receiving heavy pressure from labor leaders, who urged him to hold out for a single-payer system once Democrats recaptured the White House in the wake of the Watergate scandal.
Thirty-five year later, the single-payer dream of Democratic liberals still remains politically out of reach . . .
The simple lesson from this story — and certainly the one Kennedy himself drew — is that when it comes to historic breakthroughs in social policy, make the best deal you can get, leaving it to subsequent generations to perfect.
But not so fast. As anyone who saw Sicko might remember, what Pearlstein describes as Kennedy’s initial reaction was, in fact, an entirely accurate assessment of Nixon’s motivation in promoting HMOs — as confirmed by a taped conversation between Tricky Dick and aide John Ehrlichman (transcript condensed to remove cross-talk):
Nixon: “. . . You know, I’m not too keen on any of these damn medical programs.”
Ehrlichman: “This is a private enterprise one.”
President Nixon: “Well, that appeals to me.”
Ehrlichman: “Edgar Kaiser is running his Permanente deal for profit. . . . I had Edgar Kaiser come in [and] talk to me about this, and I went into it in some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care, because the less care they give them, the more money they make.”
President Nixon: “Fine.”
Ehrlichman: “… and the incentives run the right way.”
President Nixon: “Not bad.”
Maybe any deal that a leading Republican politician and his corporate allies would have signed off on in 1971 wouldn’t have been worth agreeing to. Maybe that’s still the case now.
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I wonder whether there are any of Ehrlichman’s notes from that conversation with Edgar Kaiser sitting around in the National Archives.
They would make for some very interesting reading.
It is galling and makes my fists clench to listen to the vampires and grave dancers exploit Ted’s death for their own ideology, and all to the advantage of corporate America and profit.
Kennedy excoriated such greed, in so many words, when he called out his gooper colleagues in THE SENATE for stalling the minimum wage hike.
Kennedy made clear, as displayed throughout any clear reading of the past 8 months, exactly where he stood on health care and the public option.
if you dont get it. Read the bill produced by his committee and the statements he made at that time–all within the last two months.
then, go dance on someone else’s grave, you vicious creatures of the dark.
IF you still dont get it,
listen to this
Just saw the bought off Jonathan Alter on Mathews’ blab show saying that Kennedy would “take what he could get”. Alter is saying that the public option can’t win and that those silly ‘liberals’ in the House have to give up on their ‘line in the sand’. That’s supposedly what Kennedy would have taken according to Alter.
I’m telling you, there are times when I literally feel like punching some of these mouth pieces, such as Alter, in the nose. That’s as polite about it as I am able to be at the moment.
In truth, Kennedy helped secure funds for the MA health finance reform from the Bush admin. that mirrors the proposals in Congress and doesn’t have public insurance for anyone over 400% of poverty. So, he may have agreed to the compromise, because he did fly in for the Mitt Romney signing. But we know what Teddy would do if the liberals and progressive activists were backing him up. He’d push his own Medicare for All bill, because that is what he wanted.
It’s not wrong when teh nixon does it.
Jonathan Alter is a complete ass. Hope KO either doesn’t give him airtime, or mops the floor with Jon’s BS.
spit.
FWDiva
joy, i’ve had the *cough cough* ‘pleasure’ of listening to NRP [National Republican P0rn] lately. I prefer the classical station yet am still amused by ‘watch me sing.’
As soon as I saw the thread I recalled the Sicko segment on Kaiser.
A pox on ALL their houses.
By this I take it to mean that richer people with lawyers are less likely to get denied healthcare coverage because they can afford a great lawyer and sue. Where as a regular family facing a medical emergency Doctor’s bills not paid for by insurance won’t be able to afford a lawyer let alone a great lawyer.
I wonder if the growth of HMO’s and the increase in Americans filing bankruptcy because of medical reasons are linked.
I assume the increase in healthcare costs and HMO’s is linked once a monopoly is formed a captive set of consumers has no power to create lower prices.
Take two below
yeah, chicken pox.
I gave up on Nice Polite Republi-toolz back in the ’90s when it was All Impeachment, All the Time. Never looked back. Thank goodness my local radio market has a 24/7 classical music station.
FWDiva
Serious question:
Does Krazee Keith EVER talk to someone he disagrees with?
Now I don’t mean the kind of disagreement that revolves around whether W was the biggest bag of pus since the American Revolution or just the last hundred years.
I mean, does he ever have a serious debate? Or is his show always one big strident, earnest mutual masturbation party?
Oh, no, chicken pox is too good for ‘em. French Pox at least. Maybe even cowpox.
Something nasty, and “lingering, with boiling oil in it, I fancy!”
FWDiva
That needed a spew warning. It _is_, after all, happy hour here on Eastern time.
ja, same. just happen to be in proximity l8ly :S
Do we have numbers on health insurance companies denial of claims crossed linked with income and race?
It would make sense not to deny coverage to rich people because they have Great lawyers and are more likely to win lawsuits.
tw3k!
What else could Ehrlichman mean after all by ” the incentives run the right way”?
It’s not a debate show. Which personality driven show of that type has serious debates?
Peterr!!! :D
Oops, my bad. Sorry.
Imbibe at will.
When do we get a replacement for Ted in the Senate? Any Idea who it might be? I assume the Healthcare debate is over until we can beat a filibuster or are we sticking healthcare in a straight up vote budget bill.
Any idea if the new Senator from Florida will play ball with us? Sorry I’ve been away a few days and I’m trying to get caught up.
Yeah, I guess. It just seems so numbingly predictable.
Oh well, it’s not that big a deal. Time for me to get in happy hour mode myself.
Cheers.
And if I heard correctly, MSNBC is having scar/mika lead in tomorrow…..that oughta be good for an early morning barf fest. :-(
Ayuh. Because to my recollection, Kaiser-Permanente has always been organized as a not-for-profit operation.
Has anyone heard any coverage on Hillary and Bill Clinton regarding Ted Kennedy’s funeral?
Sweety, if they’re of a certain age, they’ve already had cowpox. Only it was called a smallpox vaccination.
conspiracy theory BS
Well, yeah, actually, I knew that…Just thought I’d get mod-ded if I wished smallpox on ‘em
FWDiva
is that that little scar on the left bicep?
a ring around the rosey?
Yup. At least, the earliest smallpox vaccine was the cowpox virus.
@32…Well, sure why not. The nastiest pox possible on these poxy pox-heads…
FWDiva
I thunk you probly did.
Actually, wishing chicken pox on them is pretty nasty. That disease has a high probability of devastating a naive adult.
Mine is on my right forearm. Go figure.
all fall down!
not after teddy threw hill under the bus
They used Vaccinia all the way through the eradication program.
Nope its called a Theory now whether or not there are facts to back it up that would change the theory to fact.
However the motive for insurance companies to challenge poor people’s claims more than rich people’s because rich people can afford better lawyers makes sense.
If you assume the insurance companies are out to make money. They are Capitalists right?
heh! D34dh34d!
I would wager you are left handed.
mebbe
It’s not just that the Villagers are passing along RNC-dictated lies — sorry, “talking points” — about Teddy Kennedy. It’s that the Republicans’ lies are based on projection.
For instance, take a look at Mike Huckabee’s claims as to how Teddy would have fared under the very health care reforms Teddy espoused:
As I stated above, not only is this a lie, it is also — just like his charge that the Democrats were “politicizing” Kennedy’s death — a big fat case of projection. (Funny how the Republicans talking up Strom Thurmond and Ronald Reagan never got accused of “politicizing” their deaths. But I digress.)
Huckabee is the one who would tell a woman who couldn’t afford surgery to go home and take a pain pill. And in fact, by opposing any sort of meaningful reform, that’s exactly what he’s doing.
When I worked with auto insurance claims adjusters years ago, the impression I got was that there was tremendous pressure from above co deny anything that was even close to the line. Some people would not fight it even though they’d win if they did, so the company made more money than the cost of the denial letters. For those who did fight it, there was no real penalty until the fight got to the point where there were legal sanctions on the line, so how hard they fought would vary according to how close they got to that point in the process. Whether an attorney signed the letter from the insured did make a difference.
Add another layer of misunderstanding. What Erlichman told Nixon about Kaiser’s Permanente was the opposite of the truth. It was, and is today, a non-profit. At the time, it was criticized as “socialized medicine”.
Someone needs to make sure this post gets even a little MSM play. We know the Teddy Narrative is well under way by the MSM, and no doubt people like Rahm are more than happy to play with it. It does need to get some play that Ted was 100% correct on Nixon’s motives for healthcare being a gravytrain for Big Insurance.
Rachel reads the site, and appears to be on good terms with some folks like Jane. I think she’s back from vacation next week. Perhaps either Jane or Marcy should shoot this to her.
It’s not going to compltely turn around the Narrative which has too much already invested in it. But getting other side out is always a good thing and increases the chances that it will be picked up on another MSM outlet.
John