“People wonder why I’ve been reaching out to Republicans. I’m trying to get a bipartisan bill,” Reid said, going on to explain that he did not have enough votes in the Democratic caucus to produce a filibuster-proof majority.
But Reid – as he has in the past – left open the possibility of pushing through a bill with reconciliation, which requires a bare minimum of 51 votes to pass.
“If we can’t do a bipartisan bill, we can do a partisan bill,” he said, adding: “I don’t want to do that.”
Reid also sought to extinguish questions over whether he supported the so-called public option, the most hotly debated aspect of the reform debate. Reid has remained mum on the issue.
“I’ve told people, whoever will listen, I’m in favor of the public option,” Reid told one questioner.
That’s where the Politico story ends. . . which is [sigh] not where the quote ends. So, I give special thanks to Brian Beutler for. . . the rest of the story:
During a tele-townhall with constituents today, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said he supports a public option…but then he added an extremely important caveat. Reid said he doesn’t think the public option ought to be a government run program like Medicare, but instead favors a "private entity that has direction from the federal government so people that don’t fall within the parameters of being able to get insurance from their employers, they would have a place to go. "
Beutler thinks that sounds suspiciously like Reid prefers the much-discredited “co-op” “plan” being offered up by Sen. Kent Conrad. A problem, he notes, because Reid will have more than a little to do with how any co-op kabuki is merged with the HELP committee bill that contains the late Sen. Kennedy’s true, government-administered public option.
Beutler, unlike Alex Isenstadt at Politico, thought this made Reid’s weasel words worthy of a follow-up:
Reid spokesman Jim Manley emails in that Reid’s preference is for a "public option," but would not confirm that Reid means "public option" as commonly understood: an insurance program run by the Department of Health and Human Services or another government body.
Now that’s giving ‘em hell, huh? What a fighter that kid from Searchlight is.
In his “defense,” Reid is hardly the only Democrat making chicken sounds from his co-op coop. California’s Feinstein fell back on the co-op cop-out today, too. And Conrad—acting for his state BCBS buddies who stand to profit mightily under a co-op conversion—has gone as far as to say a real public option is “dead” in the Senate.
Which means that all of these Senators—and many more, like those in the Baucus caucus—have chosen to fight for the insurance industry over the people that went to the polls and voted them all government jobs with government health care.
Which also means that at the end of the day, it is still the people’s house—the House—where we fight to make a health care bill one that embodies real reform, one supported by three-quarters of Americans, one that, as Senator Kennedy warned before his passing, doesn’t just “shuffle paper.” One that contains the choice of a robust public option.
That’s why it continues to be important to push your representative to pledge support. And why, if you can, you might consider showing appreciation for those that have vowed to fight for your interests instead of an insurance industry bailout.
I mean really fight. Not “boxer Harry Reid” fight.
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Ruck Farry Heed.
They are weak soup. “sigh”
I wish people who hate our government and who have no faith in it would get the hell OUT of the government.
We want reps who LIKE our government and want a more perfect union not more private sectors and less unions.
We are the government. Stop dissing US.
I saw Harry Reid at yKos One, and his prizefighter schtick was in full-on peacock display.
I have only one thing to say to him: I could not give a good goddamn is one of your grandchildren was named hippie-style – you are still a coward and a schmuck, and we will not follow you anywhere.
Harry Reid is the most boring human on the entire planet. Not too smart either. I like asshole politicians to at least be entertaining.
The Motto of the Democratic Party Leadership: Screw the Base.
I wonder when the only people allowed to vote will be lobbyists. Then it will be a real democracy.
Honey, the Supreme Court declared that money = speech quite a… well, look in the rear view mirror.
“you got the money, we got yer vote right here.”
I love it when you call me honey.
It was mentioned here the other day that Harry Reid is the model for a character in Casino. Harry is the Nevada politician who lobbied the casino boss for a job for his son-in-law.
But he really came in fighting for his nepotism!
Didn’t that guy get, like totally, shit upon?
I saw that, and while the pure graft aspect seems appropriate, I don’t see Harry as having the shit-kicking balls (temerity, audacity, hutspa) to front that move.
Plus, I can’t imagine anyone, even Chimpy, who looks sillier in boots and jeans.
See? It’s Harry!
Reid famously argued in defense of Joe Lieberman, saying that Lieberman’s vote was dependable, much-needed and appreciated. Joe Lieberman votes with us on everything but the war, Reid said.
Another scary fact that flies in the face of the Obama seven-dimensional chess theory:
Obama stated that Joe Lieberman was his mentor in the Senate.
Well, if that’s the way he wants to give us a public option — by redefinition, why not go whole hog and give us single payer. No harder to redefine that.
So that whole act in the senate with Obama backing the old fucker up against the wall was, well…..an act?
Harry The Boxer. Awesome.
Maybe instead of debating his opponents in next years election, we should demand a boxing match.
Let’s get folks in Nevada to start showing up at town hall meetings yelling and screaming for a Las Vegas fight between Harry and anybody who opposes him.
I would pay to view that.
Remember that we didn’t actually see Obama wall Harry, but only back him out of camera range.
I expect the conversation went something like this: “Joe, lemme straighten that tie. OK, now shoot your cuffs… Perfecto!”
I remember that incident too. That’s a very good question.
Both incidents ocurred. The earlier thing was the “mentor in the Senate” remark that Obama made.
Maybe they made up.
I am so tired of trying to figure out who, what, how Obama is I could just spit.
It probably only appeared to be confrontational from a distance. Obama was probably telling Joe how much he admires and respects him and that he hopes they will be BFF.
To know Joe is to love Joe. Unless you know him like we do.
I’ll believe Harry is an actual boxer when he punches Mitch McConnell. Until then, feh.
This is how Wonkette (via Roll Call and TPM) called the Barack-RGJoe facial:
But I have yet to see Obama put a legislative cross-check on anyone except his natural constituency.
http://wonkette.com/400208/oba…..nate-floor
Shit, you don’t have to punch McConnell you just need to send a little psychic energy his way. Blam! He is out of the closet and heading for the airport to catch a plane to the Castro.
Depends on what Obama said to Lieberman.
If it was anything other than ‘STFU’ or the equivalent, then we’re in trouble.
707
Having Harry in a leadership role reflects badly on the party but to be fair for the most part it is an accurate reflection. Spineless, easily duped, etc..
They aren’t easily duped. They are spineless. They are fucking paid off!
Gregg, still one of my all time fav songs to pick and sing at camp jams, after the trad bluegrass has run its course.
Hippie jam grass, all the way. And an incredible song, to this day, fun to sing, fun to play.
Thanks just for posting the song . . . *G*
Reid’s trying to appease his next election and those who might turn on him for being too liberal. And of course, he’s bought and sold for, as most are. SciFi too.
MYj Rep CongCrittette, Matsui, sent out a survey . . . not a BAD one, with room to avoid the biased Q’s that are too simple. I filled up the OTHER comment box, pretty much.
I think Matsui is looking for room to BE progressive, but will likely fall back into what ever else is there to side with corporate wise. She’s puttin on a show with the survey I think.
A public option with the basics we’ve all discussed over and over, with competition, run by the government, NOW, for ALL, no pre existing exclusions, with national purchasing power LIKE Medicare is what I told her we’d better get. Oh, and paid for by tax on the 3% wealthy. And large corp taxes.
We’ll see how they all fall in when the vote hits the shit. Er, fan.
Thanks for the post. I like your take on Senate v. House.
LOL!
Hey, I never said I don’t believe Missy(Mc)Connell had some hot party to go to! I just said I’ll believe Harry is a boxer when I see him throw a punch.
But it would amuse me mightily and I would forego the punch if he rounded up Vitter, Graham and McConnel on the Senate floor and sprinkled fairy dust on them, and blew them off with a smooch and they all 3 disappeared. (Poof!)
Harry wasn’t the sort of boxer who threw punches. His strategy was to let the opponent punch him until they became exhausted and fell down.
Still waiting…
OMG a plane to the Castro !
well let’s send a little of that psychic energy his way, shall we?
Talk about spineless, Barbara Boxer was confronted about choosing Reid as Leader, and thus begat the “New and contemptuous-of-her-peeps” Senator Boxer. Then in ‘06, she gave RGJoe major strokes and was nearly assaulted in the street over it. Strong on Leftist issues, my ass.
Someone took a swing at the Boxer? We know it wasn’t Harry.
I’ve maintained for many years that the GOP and the Democratic Party are two fat maggots gnawing on the bloated carcass of our Republic. No matter which maggot is currently positioned to take bigger bites the patient’s prognosis remains unchanged.
When I think of the damned VOTES I’ve wasted over the past two decades here in CA . . . /pukage
dead, dead, dead.
still dead.
Next, he’ll be challenged to a hard boiled egg eating contest. Wait, wrong movie! Not “Cool Hand Luke.”
The one about Harry is called “Stooge, Bland, Fluke.”
There’s video somewhere of a street-side presser in Connecticut, during the primary. She and Joe were cornered by Lamont supporters and media, peppered with questions, forced to duck into a nearby building from the frenzy. It was very weak.
I’d like to see members of the Senate required to act out the toilet diving scene from Trainspotting. Make ‘em earn their socialist health benefits.
Senatorial herion suppositories… Sounds about right.
toiletThe worst toilet in all of Washington, D.C.After all, a dome is just an inverted bowl…
Give ‘em Head Harry always positions the angry letters from his “Republican constituents” (Karl Rove) at the top of his web page (Giveemhellharry.com) so we can see the necessity and utility of bipartisanship and the “balanced approach” (give away the farm) which Harry constantly advocates.
Well aren’t we all little handfuls of joy and mirth tonight!
I’m going to lighten up. Searching for a joke I know will make you all laugh. BRB.
So he’s the Senate Democratic Leader and he finds it easier to parlay with Republicans than the recalcitrant members of his own caucus? Now that’s leadership.
George W. Bush dies and goes to hell.
George Bush has a heart attack and dies. He goes to hell where the devil is waiting for him.
“I don’t know what to do here,” says the devil. “You’re on my list but I have no room for you. But you definitely have to stay here, so I’ll tell you what I’m going to do. I’ve got three people here who weren’t quite as bad as you. I’ll let one of them go, but you have to take their place. I’ll even let YOU decide who leaves.”
George thought that sounded pretty good so he agreed.
The devil opened the first room. In it was Richard Nixon and a large pool of water. He kept diving in and surfacing empty handed over and over and over. Such was his fate in hell.
“No!” George said. “I don’t think so. I’m not a good swimmer and I don’t think I could do that all day long.”
The devil led him to the next room. In it was Tony Blair with a sledgehammer and a room full of rocks. All he did was swing that hammer, time after time after time.
“No! I’ve got this problem with my shoulder. I would be in constant agony if all I could do was break rocks all day!” commented George.
The devil opened a third door. In it, George saw Bill Clinton lying naked on the floor with his arms staked over his head and his legs staked in spread-eagle pose. Bent over him was Monica Lewinsky, doing what she does best.
George Bush looked at this in disbelief for a while and finally said,
“Yeah, I can handle this.”
The devil smiled and said, “Monica, you’re free to go!”
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I don’t get it! :)
I don’t get it… What does W have to do with the joke?
;~P
An oldie but a goodie.:)
I also heard a version in which room one had millions of people standing on their heads on a wooden floor, room two has millions of people standing on their heads on a cement floor, room three has millions of people standing up to their knees in shit drinking coffee. George says, “Well I think I could get used to the smell and I LOVE coffee. The devil hands him a cup and leaves. A couple minutes later he returns and shouts, “Okay everybody break’s over, back on your heads!”
LOL! Hell for shitheads!
Good find. Interestingly, Harry is most assuredly allied with the Blue Dogs. The recalcitrant Dems that are Harry’s bane are the progressive members whom have been cowed by the Netroots to vote against a shit bill.
titter titter
I don’t unnerstand why Monica had to go to hell.
Heh. Good catch.
Imagine how disappointed the powers that be were when they figured out that the tubes had not facilitated more buying of shit by the public but liberal activism.
Fuck Harry Reid. I think the give away was the mormon thing.
No Monica got to leave and George took her place. But George, from what I have heard, likes giving bj’s.
i hear you
The public option should be private. That’s as bad as the Rs who don’t want socialism to take away their social security and medicare.
‘Cause Linda Tripp was the fecking devil; that’s why. :)
Yea, someone needs to give them a dictionary. Public doesn’t mean private.
At least she didn’t have to stay.
I think back when I first heard it the foil was Ken Starr instead of Dubya.
Heading out, splendid evening to all.
Unless you’re talking about prep schools in the U.K.
Really? I mean, the guy chokes on a pretzel…
Yeah, what EvilDrPuma says. “Fuck Harry Reid.”
I just got a slick 4 color thick paper flier from Patty Murray,Wa.senate. She’s” working to lower health care costs and make sure everyone can get and keep health insurance—-even if they get sick or lose their job.”
Paid for by Pharmeceutical Research and Manufacturers of America and Families USA. Whoever THEY are.
Patty ran as the “Mom in tennis shoes”. Patty is a player now. Ready to sell out her community for power.
Jump White Girl!!!!!!! You’re going to need those tennis shoes. Oh,yeah.
[spew]
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
good point. Of Course the tubes do facilitate a lot of widget sales. Good for us. Its the only thing that will keep the Illuminati from shutting it down on account of the liberal activism.
Puts them in quite a quandary.
Except in British Schools
Yea but pretzels are all dry and tiny.
Damn you type faster than me!
You owe me a drink. Scotch, neat, s’il vous plais.
So was Cheney and probably kinda scaly to boot.
the Ps that B shoulda consulted the good folks at Prodigy. They learned that lesson early.
They will have to go back to being a little more subtle. Like not giving us the full drop trow but a half drop trow.
Hmmm. When did that change from the old coke?
It is past five, right?
Now, that’s unfair to maggots, who can actually be useful in certain kinds of medical treatment.
More like, what, tapeworms feeding off the body politic?
FWDiva
Late night. Plus I had a bit of a funny stomach earlier, and the scotch seems to be helping it settle. *g*
Besides, the price is the same for escotch and ecoke. **gg**
Hi Pups just checking in… Almost 12:30 on the right coast…. 2nd wedding is tomorrow, we have been busy as all get out here with family and visiting of all places Nahant!!
Oh and yes Fuck Harry Reid… He would sell us out in a heart beat!!
Yeah, wish I could find online video of the PhRMA ads for both Murray and Cantwell. Very, very disappointing…to say the least.
FWDiva
Oh, I saw something today about some sort of slime being medically useful. I’ll see if I can find it. Might be a productive use for the Rs.
Wow. Second wedding! How many do you plan on having. (Just kidding.)
Hope it is wonderful.
The only thing Harry Reid knows about boxing is how to take a dive.
At any rate, politicians are the least useful specimens in the parasite category. Tape worms probably nudge each other when Harry Reid appears on TV and say, “Now THAT is one useless asshole!”
Hilarious!!! Thank you KelleyCDenver and ratfood!!!!!!!!!!
God, I needed a 707.
Here it is.
Congratulations nahant!
FWD!
I was just thinking of you! There’s a new Handel that hit my subscription on the youtubes; Cecilia Bartoli singing ”Lascia ch’io Pianga”.
I know, soprano, but I was still thinking of you any way.
In the old days tapeworms were used in diet pills.
Hey, buddy
Hope you’re all having a great time!
FWDiva
I guess the addicts used to say “This drug is eating me alive.”
Thanks. But I am a soprano, too. And I’ve worked on that one.
Oh, and I don’t roll my eyes when I perform…I don’t think…
FWDiva
Gee, I just thought all those pols scraping their butts on the Senate floor were tidying up.
707, man!
Gross, but funny.
My own fault for bringing up tapeworms, I guess…
FWDiva
Sorry about that; for some reason I got stuck on the impression you were a mezzo.
[KC unsticks his impression, throws it away and imagines FWD as wild unbound soprano]
We do also!! That dam Danny is already sending rain our way… The bride to be is all worried as the wedding is in Nahant out on the coast. They were hoping to take pictures at forty Steps Beach but if the wing, rain & waves have their way it may be impossible to even get down to the beach!… Dam Danny he would have to mess things up for the kids!!
Ah, well, I’m versatile. And proud of my mid/low register, so, ya know…
FWDiva
We heard you the first time, Nahant.
(somehow your comment was submitted twice)
Congradulations!! Love is a very community-binding experience. I barely survived planning one wedding. The second would have to be low key with beach fire and alcohol. And NO caterers!!!
Yep, raining here pretty hard in mid-Hudson. Not that we need more rain.
Lame attempt to add spin to weather. Joke on tram to the top of Snowbird in Utah in March. 125 people, including a wedding party of perhaps 20, including the minister and videographer. Voice in the crowd: You know what happens when you get married on top of a mountain? It’s all downhill from there.
So reverse it. You know what happens when you get married in the rain? It’s all sunshine afterwards.
Hey nahant.
It’ll make a good story to tell *their* kids.
Happened to one of my comments. Seems like an old bug is back, episodically.
I had to write to Harry and tell him to stop sending me his f*cking newsletter. Give ‘em hell, my big fat ass!
BRB….and yes FF mess up and wouldn’t show comment…so Safari got the call, then it showed two of the same comments go figure…
Or maybe I just love messing wit Da servers ya know!!
Evening Firepups. Hows it goin???
Being versatile is a good thing! *g*
Well, I like to think so!
How’s bayou, mon?
FWDiva
LOL, man, it seems no matter how down I am, I can find a RF post that makes me laugh out loud.
Thanks once again for that.
OldFatGuy is from a bayou?
Uhhnn, goodbye beach fires. Damn. Sorry about the weather. But it will make the “Wedding Story” much more interesting in the future. Hope all goes. Remember, LOVE conquers all.
Wow, just a general observation, but I just got here, and tonight’s reading of the comments is cheering me up from a bad day.
THANKS to all you firepups.
After all, maybe Laughter _is_ the Best Medicine! (Not that I’m a big fan of Reader’s Digest).
Was it me or did Orin Hatch come off as an actual human being today at the memorial for Teddy?
Would you kindly insert spew warnings? PLease!? ;)
good thing that aphorism predates RD by a long ways.
Glad you’re getting some comic relief this evening.
Good to see ya and all y’all other Pups.
FWDiva
Readers Digest Foundation, or it might have a different name, has done wonderful stuff. The part that I know about is preserving open space in the Hudson Valley.
No idea. Saw his mug and changed the channel. Sorry, I know they were friends, but talk is cheap, especially from Republican “defecit” hawks*
FWDiva
*defecits from spending money helping ordinary Americans.
Man, reading the actual post and DiFi is now ready to support co-ops (cop-outs).
Cheez Loueez, we can’t count on a Senator from California?? Really???
I’d bet dollars to donuts that the public option is polling better than 2-1 in California.
Man what the hell happened to the concept of the pols working for the PEOPLE.
Dammit.
He came across as really nice but many mormons I have met seem so. Then they vote against gay rights, etc.
Club Poodle is upstairs,
Newdealfarmgirl got the zed.
FWDiva
Brought Denny Hastert to mind — graphically.
How true dat! They Will remember this one… But the ocean can be beautiful during a storm what with the waves crashing and the rain pelting… I am sure they will remember!!
Every once in a while on my way out of the library I’ll snag a Reader’s Digest just to read the jokes. There’s a few smiles in there. Smiles are good.
707 jokes like KellyCDenver and ratfood’s are better.
Yeah, I understand.
I still get the American Legion magazine even though I gave up on The American Legion a long time ago (Geez, talk about RIGHT WING).
But every month I get it, I just turn to the last page (last page is jokes) and usually every month at least one and often more than one is well worth the effort.
Laughter can make even the worst of days bearable, and I thank any and all that give me that pleasure, even if it’s from right wing sources.
And I hope they will be smart about it. We lived on the coast for 19 years when we decided that this was the absolute best environment to raise strong children. BUT, bad shit happens and the helicopters and Coast Guard and the fishing boats start searching the water.
Right wing sources. I just listened to an interview with Jeff Scarlett[?] the man who wrote “The Family”. He was saying that there’s a group of hard right Christians that are also true believers in Democracy [but different then our version] who are going after the Family and outing them.
How cool is that?
I have seen that many times when I lived in Nahant… oh and the old Coast Gard station had a WWII duck they used to use for rescues… Now they are used for “Duck Tours” of Boston and the harbor!!
Now showing at HuffPost — SATURDAY 8/29/09 4:30AM CST — Bill Maher and Bill Moyers discussing the so called healthcare “reform” this Obama WH and those now in “charge” of our American Congress are positioning over the toilet for reasons of very corrupted money politics and a plainly broken moral compass.
The approximate best quote from Bill Moyers ” what kind of civilization is that? ”
Suggest anyone wanting to see a brief — fully on point — discussion and given veiwpoints between these two very rare examples of early 21st century On The TeeVee Americans doing whip smart media presentation to go to HuffPost and check out this now showing video/audio clip of Maher and Moyers discussing American healthcare — well worth the time taken — President Obama ought to see this as well as the so called pack of “leader” rats in Congress.
Presumably, Harry Reid is majority leader of the Senate because he best represents the opinions of the Democratic majority.
God help us.
This kind of leader can lead only one way, to a public policy shaped by the half-wits who let hate media determine their opinions.
I don’t know about you guys, but I am donating any money to a republican challenger just to get rid of this guy. I see him as the most spineless piece of milk toast and he gets the Democratic party away from its true strength.
seconded. i so so badly want this waste of oxygen to lose. i’ll even live with a republican in his seat. bush got away with a lot of what he did because of this loathsome man. he supports jay bybee and wanted the proceedings against ted stevens to be called off.