But it’s important to remember that in the land of Glenn Beck, the half-assed lie looks sane. What I mean is, the noisy, over-the-top kookiness of a Beck or Limbaugh or a Bachmann or a Betsey McCaughey tends to disguise a whole hell of a lot of stuff that looks a lot more sensible but is in fact equally nuts. It’s an interesting dynamic, in the sense that it now seems the standard for "sensible" right wing — or, hell, "libertarian" or "centrist"– discourse on healthcare means "not Glenn Beck." Which is kind of a shit situation, because, you know, that’s rather a low bar.
Take this, for instance — a Fox News article about how other major networks are not running a "non-partisan" commercial about how Obamacare is All Lies. The ad seems like it’s basically the usual horseshit:
"It’s a powerful ad," said Bob Adams, executive director of the League of American Voters, a national nonprofit group with 15,000 members who advocate individual liberty and government accountability. "It tells the truth and it really highlights one of the biggest vulnerabilities and problems with this proposed legislation, which is it rations health care and disproportionately will decimate the quality of health care for seniors."
Yawn. But where the Fox article really gets good is with this bit from the end:
Adams objects to ABC’s assertion that his group’s position is partisan….
Dick Morris, a FOX News political analyst and the League of American Voters’ chief strategist, conceptualized the advertisement and said its purpose was to "refocus" the debate on health care reform.
"I feel the whole debate on health care reform needed to be refocused on the issue of Medicare," he told FOXNews.com. "Most of the debate had been on issues of socialized medicine and cost. I felt that the impact of the legislation in cutting the Medicare program and enforcing rationing needed to be addressed."
Morris, a onetime advisor to former President Bill Clinton, said he was particularly troubled by ABC’s decision not to air the spot.
Never mind the astonishing hypocrisy of whisking in the "socialized medicine" crap and then fearmongering Medicare. Savor instead the arrant dishonesty of pretending this bit of propaganda is "non-partisan" by saying Dick Fucking Morris used to work for Bill Clinton.
Seriously, I’m inclined to prefer Glenn Beck over this sort of stuff. He’s nuts, but at least he’s sincere. The more "sensible" Fox fare is a lot more insidious.
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ZED!
THERSDAY!
Rachel was back tonight. She was a little hoarse, but wearin’ her ass-kickin’ boots. That clip of Teddy from Alaska in ‘68 was amazing.
FWDiva
Thersday night!
So, it sounds like another example of moving the Overton Window to the right…it’s just the far, far, faaaaaar lunatic fringe…
Oh, wait, letting the crazies get so far outta hand is a feature, not a bug!
IOKIYAR
FWDiva
Seriously, at this point my right-wing horseshit detector has buried its needle and imploded. Is anyone able to keep any kind of track of the sheer volume of mendacious nonsense to which we’re daily subjected?
Hey, our Mistress of Science got the Zed!
How are they hanging FWD?
Evening all.
My bullshit detector has been going off so loudly for so long that I’ve developed tinnitus.
No, I can’t, that’s why I still watch KO and Rachel!
And read Thers and WaterTiger…
FWDiva
Evening. Welcome to Hell’s outer chamber.
How are WHAT hanging?!
Be verrrry careful how you answer.
FWDiva
Thersday! And the right has moved so far into crazyland that the merely absurd begins to sound sane and reasonable. Must. shut. Overton. Window. ….
They cranked the crazy meter past 11 and yanked the fucker right off.
That’s about the size of it.
Can we please throw a few select folks out of it first?
(yeah, yeah, mod, I know. Figuratively only, I swear!)
FWDiva
The only answer to that is generic. Things. Howzzit goin’?
Right. But that doesn’t mean the crazy stuff down at 8 isn’t itself crazy.
Increasingly, I suspect that is precisely the point.
The polite term for that is defenestration.
Are you saying you think I didn’t know that?
FWDiva
Exactly. They are all deliberately feeding the crazy machine. Except for Beck. He is genuinely crazy.
Ah-yup!
Like I said at 3.
It’s a feature, not a bug.
FWDiva
Hey. It’s one of the most obscure terms in my vocabulary. And my vocabulary is loaded with obscure terms…
He’s also genuinely down 46 advertisers now…
Bill-O the Clown next!
And still hemorrhaging sponsors. Soon it’ll just be G. Gordon Liddy pitching gold coins (and speaking of force-11 nutjobs…).
Aw, c’mon, it’s not THAT obscure. Especially if you know that much German.
One of my favorites is sesquipedalian.
And then there are the genuinely scientific ones!
FWDiva
Liddy, besides being completely 100% evil, is one of those deliberately feeding the crazy. He is not himself crazy, just evil. Like Darth Cheney.
Ich spreche Deutsch. Or I did once upon a time. But not enough any more… HS was a long, long time ago.
That is wonderful. I haven’t watched anything on Fox since the X-Files. Beck needs to be put in a “home”.
I will plead guilty to, and apologize for, egregious diary whoring in advance. And the whoring may be pointless anyway, since Matt Taibbi said in his FDL interview that facts don’t mean anything right now, it has become just a fight for political power.
But if anyone wonders, the facts say that so-called ’socialist’ medicine in most high income countries across the world from Australia to France to Switzerland, would be better for the elderly than our system.
Have the Swiss ‘death panels’ hurt their elderly?
By: wesgpc Wednesday August 19, 2009 12:21 am
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7346
Older people in other high income countries have made more progress in life-expectancy than in the US
By: wesgpc Sunday August 2, 2009 11:22 pm
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6890
Our current US healthcare system has a better cost control method than killing old people: kill them off before they get old
By: wesgpc Sunday August 9, 2009 11:09 pm
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7084
hell the stuff at 5 is whack. what passes for the middle now is what was considered to the right of goldwater
Down 46 advertisers and still on the air? He’s in Rupert Murdoch’s Right-Wing Welfare Home for Unemployable Whackjobs.
I’d settle for seeing him put out of a job.
i believe losing 46 advertisers means the market has spoken
Beck is the Health Care version of Fred Phelps and Teh Gays. Both serve as useful foils for the mildly wingnuttery folks to say “Oh, I’m not a hater like Beck/Phelps — but they’re right, you know, about the issue.”
You mean he works for News Corp?
FWDiva
As I said over at Delong’s place the other day, the Republicans have become the party of people who make the Birchers seem sane and reasonable (and the Democrats have become the party of moderate Republicans).
Conservatives are all for free markets unless they apply to them (as in the last election and this case).
Rather abusive and self-assured people are trolling blogs over health care, calling those for reform baby and grandma killers.
Not sure how to respond to them or whether I should.
I can tell people one thing -I will sure as heck bet my life on ’socialized’ medicine. If the US political system is so corrupt and unresponsive that it cannot reform its healthcare system, I will make plans to be outta hear around Medicare time. I ain’t so young, but young enough to think about plans to book this joint.
I never thought I would say that. I still do not like the idea of doing something like that as a protest. But if the US healthcare system keeps on its current course, I think it would be unwise to grow old in this country and do not even want to think what it will be like in twenty years or so. Common sense suggests I should think about possibilities elsewhere. Seriously, that is how I have been thinking lately.
If you can call what he does work. I don’t.
One of the real shames of the 21st Century is that Glen Beck is collecting a paycheck.
One of our trolls was bemoaning the lack of integrity in the GoOP Party. He was wishing for a real conservative party.
I told him there was one, it’s called the Democratic Party. But that some of us nasty liberals were using the Democratic Party just now and trying to make a Center-left party out of it.
Excellent !
A very sad thing about the Recession is the low quality of trolls that visit the Lake …
Evenin’ all !
Yup.
And I lived in England for a while. You know, the people who stood up to the Nazis, and who didn’t actually adopt the Nazi ideas about healthcare?
Re Original Post:
“The inmates, not content with running the asylum, have decided to poop in it also.”
That’s the MOST wonderful thing I’ve read in weeks… did you really come up with that yourself? Bloody Brilliant! Completely consolidates where the Right is at this moment in history.
This one was pretty incoherent. He was hacking away at Teddy for divorcing Joan, and I was trying to gently point out that Teddy didn’t write Canon Law.
Not really OT: No, Jim, fuck you.
Do they still drive on the wrong side of the road over there ?
*ducks and runs*
these low quality trolls are like those plumper chickens in the tv ads
even the aliens abducting chickens to conduct mad experiments refuse to accept the plumpers.
I guess I must have missed out on the grand trolls of yesteryear. They all seem to me like God farted into one ear and passed off the result as a brain.
Suz !
TBogg & Co. ripped one of them to shreds the other day.
Simply by pretending that both sides of the health care debate are equal demonstrates that all the Big Media outlets are partisan and NOT in a good way. Liberal media bias is the straw man that can never die.
LOL … EDP !
Heh. That was fun reading.
No, you should say ‘thank you, Dr. Inhoffe!” for this beaut, on reading any healthcare reform bill:
“I don’t have to read it, or know what’s in it. I’m going to oppose it anyways,” he said.
However, your rude language could cast disrepute on the evilmurderousshrill lefty blogs. which I think may concern me in some abstract sense, somehow.
The thing is, trolls can’t swim and the higher quality trolls are afraid to be seen wearing water-wings.
With enemies like Inoffe, Steele and Bachmann, no wonder support for the public option is inching up.
Mrs BC has told me that Chickenshit OK is the home of serious crazies, I guess she’s right. Nobody was there to stand up and saying, “You know, the status quo is unacceptable, Senator Inhofe.”
And Inhofe proud of not bothering to read any of the bills or analysis. Exactly why do we pay this clown?
I keep trying to tell you about Okie Republicans (and the ones here in Montana, who are just as bad).
For what it’s worth, I kind of like facts, myself.
Generally, that is a wet one.
Hokay, gotta be up early in the AM. Niters, amis.
g’nite thers
Can anyone point me to a comprehensive list of the advertisers who have bailed on Beck? I’d enjoy forwarding it along to those who insist on sending me wingnut chain emails.
I’m always up for a cheap thrill…
Don’t forget Congresscritter Jenkins of Kansas, who told a crowd of good Republics and true in Hiawatha to take heart, their Party had many great white hopes.
Nighty night, Thers. Thanks for opening up the thread tonight.
I’d prefer him being hospitalized for a mental breakdown and see how his insurance covers his care. Reality TV.
They are endemic in that part of the state. I blame it on inbreeding. With the livestock.
Olbermann ripped her this evening.
color of change is where i would look for the list since they are running it.
Night, Thers.
And I appreciated your civil tone with the orc on my earlier post. I had to censor myself.
Tell me about it. Even when you point out which global conglomerates actually own the news media, they just stick their fingers in their ears and sing “Pinball Wizard” at the top of their lungs to drown you out.
I wonder if he would still be able to do his radio gig from the nut house? Throw Bachmann in there with him. Hell, maybe they could get a quantity discount.
“Let’s open up this insurance policy and see what she’ll do…Wheeeee….”
They could run it on closed circuit since the entire audience would be in there with them.
But if you put Bachmann and Beck in the same place together, there is the slim but horrible possibility that they will spawn.
Good idea…
Yeah, I caught it. I’m just sayin’ that we need to include Jenkins on the short list of contenders to challenge Bachmann for batshit craziest Congresscritter of the 21st Century.
Now there’s a frightening thought.
Or achieve critical mass.
Gad, a pregnant Glenn Beck is something I’d rather not think about. I just hope he doesn’t pose naked on the cover of Vanity Fair.
*hitting brain bleach button*
You’re right. That’s too terrifying even to contemplate.
Where is Sigourney Weaver and her flamethrower when we really need her?
I suspect that Beck might try that. But Bachmann has already spawned, so we know that she knows how the plumbing works.
i’m sorry mr beck but your insurance plan does not cover an epidural.
ROFLMAO!
THAT would make it worth it.
That’s OK. Whatever they spawn is simply going burst straight out of the gut.
I don’t think Glenn Beck is a breeder. Not because of sexual preference. I just don’t think he could get a ”date” without monetary exchange and those women take birth control.
He talks out of his ass so much that you could drive a Semi through it …
Jenkins is quick on the draw, though. The non-apology has already been issued.
On the other hand, Idaho governor wannabe Rex Rammell refuses to apologize for “joking” about hunting tags for the President of the United States.
Immaculate misconception, right?
I hope darkblack didn’t hear that.
*sporfle!*
And that is what passes for rational discourse among the Republicans in this part of the world. I have been warning you about them. I mean, it has been enough to make me vote for Max Baucus twice.
Image in 3… 2… 1…
Yeah, I’ve seen the claims that she wasn’t talking about Obama. As far as I’m concerned, it’s now incumbent on her to explain how that remark could be about anyone other than President Obama.
“I mean, it has been enough to make me vote for Max Baucus twice.”
That does sort of put things in perspective, alright.
There’s your big league tap-dancing, right there..
Being a Republican means being able to spout whatever batshit crazy bullshit you want and never having to explain yourself.
howdy folks. Late to the thread, but home for the evening! (taking a vacation day, erm, vacation night being a 2nd shifter n all).
I’ve started calling the Republicans “The Squirrel Poo Party—because it’s full of nuts!™”
Think maybe she’s throwing a buck-and-wing?
Hey, ndfg! Welcome.
Good one, is it also a dance party?
{{{{{ NDFG }}}}}
Max has always been rather obviously a corporate tool (though he is pretty good at bringing home the bacon and has done some decent things locally), but he is infinitely preferable to anyone else running. Besides the Republicans, we also have the Libertarians, the Constitution Party, and a couple of other tiny fringe parties. All of those make our Republicans look sane and rational.
Maybe that’s her angle. PPV amateur hour entertainment. Throw in Beck, Bachmann and Palin and you’ve got yourself a hit.
No secessionist party yet?
Was that that DL feller?
Never did unnerstan just how stoopid he looked.
FWDiva
I think at least one of those may be, but I try not to know any more about them than I have to. Just listening top them causes permanent retardation.
Better throw in Bobby Jindal because with that group someone’s bound to need an exorcism.
Hey everybody.
-G
Nice touch.
DLoerke has made itself the house troll over there. Some sort of Z-list glibertarian asshat. Not even very entertaining. Makes Troofie at Sadly, No! look bright and witty.
Hmmm. System eated my post. Didn’t flame anybody present or make violent thoughts.
unfortunately, i think its a ”necktie party” for anybody the least bit unlike themselves.
Mod magic! Thanks.
Not exactly a list of all 33, so far, but a great presentation of the facts by the AP:
http://www.google.com/hostedne…..wD9A8NMO81
{{{ PETRO! }}} how’s my fave guru tonight?
The funniest thing about that particular troll is that it keeps insisting it’s not a troll… and that ain’t very funny at all.
Thanks. I think the number is now in the mid-to-high 40’s. Our boy Glenn is apt to vapor-lock right on the electric tv machine.
I think any post that mentions a registered user name and the term t r o l l gets instantly mod’d.
I figured DLoerke was PLoverings sock puppet.
-G
Too true. Or very bright.
Not a chance. Murdoch has Beck on wingnut welfare.
Prolly, but mods fixed it so all is well.
His bright and shining boy.
Is that anything like mod karaoke?:-)
In New England news, the Republican Governor of Vermont will not seek re-election after 4 two year terms.
We may get a Democrat back in there now.
-G
Dood !
Nice work if you can get it. Just go mental five hours a week and pick up your $10M (or whatever the number is)…
Careful there. You could get yourself moderated with images like that. ;-)
What, there’s a NEW England now?
Glenn Beck calling anyone who works in the Obama administration a “Czar”
Good for a laugh or cry?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HX83PT5LJo
Excellent !
Keeping busy and out of trouble ? *g*
NEW! and IMPROVED! Now with baked beans and boiled dinners!
Petro!
-G
RF, we can’t call it Old England.
I couldn’t do it. All my friends would be convinced that I’d become a bearded vampire, because I’d have to avoid mirrors like the plague. I couldn’t bear to look at myself.
I think the Romans probably left because of the cuisine.
Ye merry olde England, that is.
Beck prolly thought he’d get a big raise if he behaved more crazy than RushBo …
Well he certainly got the last part done pat.
BTW, there’s a new end-of-the-world group. This one looks to be pretty well financed. Saw an ad for them on History Channel’s The Universe.
I’ll have to call the Astronomy Department tomorrow and see what they’re doing about this onrushing disaster in 2012.
Absolutely … he’s waiting ’til those advertisers come crawlin’ back on their hands and knees …
I couldn’t do it either, but it doesn’t seem to be a problem for Beck (or the rest of the crew over there, for that matter). Do you suppose any of them realize that they’re either crazy or whores or both?
If by “big raise” you mean a free lifetime supply of Viagra from Pfizer.
In Glenn’s defense, he thought they were Chiclets.
Cancel that last. It’s a movie promo, I just saw the Sony Pictures Copyright.
You see what these doGd***ed Republics are doing to me?
During the last week of school in June, a Teacher told my kid’s class about the Mayan 2012 prediction and that they were always right on with all their predictions. I plan on meeting him as soon as school opens to ask him if he was serious about that.
Yeah. very poor-quality trolldom, there. Anymore, I just scroll on by when I see his handle. At least he hasn’t impaired TBogg’s snark-generator. The rest of the regulars are worth reading, too.
FWDiva
LOL!
On that note, I will toddle off. Have to make an appearance in the office tomorrow and talk with a student. Take care all.
Flashy website. Must have cost them a couple hundred bucks, give or take.
Oh. Sony Pictures, etc…
Be kind.
It’s a movie promo… sucked me in, because the GoOP has just about convinced me there is no intelligent life on this rock.
g’nite dr dick
G’nite.
I should head out too, splendid evening to all.
Beck thought they were suppositories … which explains why the dumbfuck dudn’t know if he’s coming or going !
g’nite ratfood
Beck is the big distraction, why wouldn’t Murdoch,the Australian “American Citizen” continue to finance his charade. Look at where all of our attention is focused……..it’s on Beck while the players move their chess pieces. IMO.
G’nite DrD, ratfood !
Good night, RF and Dr.D.
We can do more than one thing at a time. I don’t see folks ignoring everything else to support the Beck boycott.
Suz, the Pest Control stuff didn’t work for shit … deluged with
guestspests for ten days … curses !G’nite all !
‘night, Petro.
Regarding trolls, we need to start a new game.
trompe l’troll
*waving g’nite to the leaving sleepyheads*
as long as it is not like whack a troll, which causes the mod squad work
This is true. I would just like to see more scrutiny of Murdoch on a regular basis. In a perfect world I’d like to see more pressure on the use of public airways and why the fuck this foreigner Murdoch is allowed to have so much control. I know,… thank you, Bill Clinton.
rack a troll is more like it.
I wouldn’t mind that if it didn’t leave us pretty much looking for a new party. Heck, my brother gave up on the Greens; they’re apparently pretty useless even at the local level.
Bill Clinton can go suck a hard one. oh wait…..didn’t he already get into some kind of trouble around that issue?
Vacuum b*mb?
I don’t even think we have a Green party here. We have every nutball right-wing party under the sun, but basically on the left you have the Democrats and…the Democrats.
Yeah, and when the guy the Ds run for president, successfully, is very much an Eisenhower R, you realize that things have been going backwards.
Only because he lied. On oath.
The sell out of our media wasn’t part of the investigation. No blowjob there. Keep walking…….