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		<title>By: xargaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/24/same-old-story-from-the-same-old-jerk/#comment-1963477</link>
		<dc:creator>xargaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some of what you say is interesting, but I am growing more and more skeptical of Obama. I worked for him and voted for him, but he has disppointed in many areas. When we carry on about the blue dogs, we should remember that many of them got elected because they were either picked and/or supported (over progessive challengers) by Rahm and now Rahm, (Obama’s ol pal) is Chief of Staff. Now, it is the blue dogs that are the responsible for impeding and watering down health care reform. Perhaps, watered down, corporate friendly health care reform is Obama’s goal. He may be aiming to claim a big win but give a big handout to the industry rather than the people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of what you say is interesting, but I am growing more and more skeptical of Obama. I worked for him and voted for him, but he has disppointed in many areas. When we carry on about the blue dogs, we should remember that many of them got elected because they were either picked and/or supported (over progessive challengers) by Rahm and now Rahm, (Obama’s ol pal) is Chief of Staff. Now, it is the blue dogs that are the responsible for impeding and watering down health care reform. Perhaps, watered down, corporate friendly health care reform is Obama’s goal. He may be aiming to claim a big win but give a big handout to the industry rather than the people.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/24/same-old-story-from-the-same-old-jerk/#comment-1963470</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wha?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clinton was brought up in a direct connection to claim made that Obama is a DLCer at heart.  Soo…I simply bring up the fact that he defeated the DLC candidate as proof that they are not two peas in a pod.  Hillary is certainly a DLCer as evidenced by her years and years in various officail leadership titles within the organization, including during the campaign (still has a title there I assume?)  Other major DLCers were her biggest supporters in the BigMedia.  We can guess all we want about what she would’ve wanted on various issues over the years, but I’d rather base things on what she’s actually done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d hardly consider that a pointless “ad hominum attack.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And yes I agree, that debate is not what’s really important right now anyway, which I also said earlier.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wha?</p>
<p>Clinton was brought up in a direct connection to claim made that Obama is a DLCer at heart.  Soo…I simply bring up the fact that he defeated the DLC candidate as proof that they are not two peas in a pod.  Hillary is certainly a DLCer as evidenced by her years and years in various officail leadership titles within the organization, including during the campaign (still has a title there I assume?)  Other major DLCers were her biggest supporters in the BigMedia.  We can guess all we want about what she would’ve wanted on various issues over the years, but I’d rather base things on what she’s actually done.</p>
<p>I’d hardly consider that a pointless “ad hominum attack.”</p>
<p>And yes I agree, that debate is not what’s really important right now anyway, which I also said earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At times like these we wonder what they do with their officers in far off countries where the army has been stuck without cause, to a war without end.  Where they are picked off daily by an unseen enemy trying to kill them by means of stealth, trying never to show themselves due to their small numbers.  A shot goes astray,  a grenade goes off too close,  the view for the spotter is just a little too out in the open, and the spotter is the commander, because no one else will go up. No one else in the company have any reason to die for nothing.&lt;br /&gt;
  At times like these the officers understand that they have harmed their men.  The know they have destroyed the morale,  that the company isn’t coming back with all it’s people.   The officer understands that life is short, and that he has made his last fatal error to the troops that were counting on him.  Another body bag for the lieutenant.  Another chance for the dirt soldier to come home alive if they can only wait these “leaders” out, if they can only survive until they are free.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At times like these we wonder what they do with their officers in far off countries where the army has been stuck without cause, to a war without end.  Where they are picked off daily by an unseen enemy trying to kill them by means of stealth, trying never to show themselves due to their small numbers.  A shot goes astray,  a grenade goes off too close,  the view for the spotter is just a little too out in the open, and the spotter is the commander, because no one else will go up. No one else in the company have any reason to die for nothing.<br />
  At times like these the officers understand that they have harmed their men.  The know they have destroyed the morale,  that the company isn’t coming back with all it’s people.   The officer understands that life is short, and that he has made his last fatal error to the troops that were counting on him.  Another body bag for the lieutenant.  Another chance for the dirt soldier to come home alive if they can only wait these “leaders” out, if they can only survive until they are free.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Along with his campaign to only think about what’s best for Joe Lieberman to the exclusion of all other considerations.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with his campaign to only think about what’s best for Joe Lieberman to the exclusion of all other considerations.</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/24/same-old-story-from-the-same-old-jerk/#comment-1963465</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe Lie-berman = I-Scumbag&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Lie-berman = I-Scumbag</p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think this is accuate.  Clinton may be hawkish on foreign affairs issues but a review of her record would suggest that her defense of the type of healthcare reform we want would have been stronger than what we’re seeing now.  I don’t think anyone can argue that Obama’s domestic policy positions (both as Senator and as Canddiate) have been consistently to the right of the former Senator Clinton.  Trying to tar her with the DLC brush when she’s not even involved in this debate is ridiculous and counterproductive, especially since the DLC itself is a bit player in this whole thing (unlike the Blue Dogs, which is a different story altogether).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The key now is to work with the President to move this forward, applying pressure and leverage in the House to ensure that a strong PO will be a clear condition precedent to any bill and to make sure that the President understands that any bill without the PO will result in its failure, and therefore the probable failure of his presidency.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I disapprove of ad hominen attacks on Obama because I believe that they detract from this strategy.  Ad hominen attacks on Hillary Clinton on this issue are even more pointless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think this is accuate.  Clinton may be hawkish on foreign affairs issues but a review of her record would suggest that her defense of the type of healthcare reform we want would have been stronger than what we’re seeing now.  I don’t think anyone can argue that Obama’s domestic policy positions (both as Senator and as Canddiate) have been consistently to the right of the former Senator Clinton.  Trying to tar her with the DLC brush when she’s not even involved in this debate is ridiculous and counterproductive, especially since the DLC itself is a bit player in this whole thing (unlike the Blue Dogs, which is a different story altogether).</p>
<p>The key now is to work with the President to move this forward, applying pressure and leverage in the House to ensure that a strong PO will be a clear condition precedent to any bill and to make sure that the President understands that any bill without the PO will result in its failure, and therefore the probable failure of his presidency.  </p>
<p>I disapprove of ad hominen attacks on Obama because I believe that they detract from this strategy.  Ad hominen attacks on Hillary Clinton on this issue are even more pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: OldFatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldFatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh my Gawd, Lieberman, [spit].  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least Cheney’s mother named her son aptly.  She should’ve named Lieberman too.  Cause he is a Dick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my Gawd, Lieberman, [spit].  </p>
<p>At least Cheney’s mother named her son aptly.  She should’ve named Lieberman too.  Cause he is a Dick.</p>
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		<title>By: RU4862</title>
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		<dc:creator>RU4862</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senate democrats were ready dump Joe LIEbermann after the Nov 2008 election, but President Obama a/k/a Mr. Why Can’t We Be Friends-step in and saved him. BIG mistake!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senate democrats were ready dump Joe LIEbermann after the Nov 2008 election, but President Obama a/k/a Mr. Why Can’t We Be Friends-step in and saved him. BIG mistake!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesJoyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesJoyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bin/gennie.pl?Rant+138+bi&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bi.....ant+138+bi&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.constitution.org/jm/18191213_monopolies.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.constitution.org/jm.....polies.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;James Madison&lt;br /&gt;
Monopolies Perpetuities Corporations&lt;br /&gt;
Ecclesiastical Endowments&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Monoplies tho’ in certain cases useful ought to be granted with caution, and guarded with strictness agst abuse. The Constitution of the U. S. has limited them to two cases, the authors of Books, and of useful inventions, in both which they are considered as a compensation &lt;strong&gt;for a benefit actually gained to the community as a purchase of property which the owner might otherwise withold from public use. &lt;/strong&gt;There can be no just objection to a temporary monopoly in these cases but it ought to be temporary, because under that limitation a sufficient recompence and encouragement may be given. The limitation is particularly proper in the case of inventions, because they grow so much out of preceding ones that there is the less merit in the authors and because for the same reason, the discovery might be expected in a short time from other hands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Monopolies have been granted in other Countries, and by some of the States in this, on another principle, that of supporting some useful undertaking untill experience and success should render the monopoly unnecessary, &amp; lead to a salutary competition. This was the policy of the monopoly granted in Virga to Col. Jno Hoomes to establish a passenger-stage from ____ to ____ But grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all, the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent, and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In all cases of monopoly, not excepting those specified in favor of authors &amp; inventors, it would be well to reserve to the State, a right to terminate the monopoly by paying a specified and reasonable sum. This would guard against the public discontents resulting from the exorbitant gains of individuals, and from the inconvenient restrictions combined with them. This view of the subject suggested, the clause in the bill relating to J. Rumsey in the Virga Legislature in the year 178_ providing that the State might cancel his privilege by paying him ten thousand dollars and to secure him agst the possibility of a payment in depreciated medium, then a prevalent apprehension, it was proposed that the sum should be paid in metal &amp; that of a specified weight &amp; fineness”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Same old story just different jerks……….   Fuck the pundits, reaffirm the “words” of our founders and why!   Tax exempt health insurers and for profit health insurers, “monopolies” on “your life” and corporate servitude under the color of law, just like a King.   Hartford Conn., the insurance hub of the World and Joe L.  Does he qualify as a Corporate Aristocrats?  Aka as “asselelphants” on the take for the benefit of  corporations, making then buying  law to render &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; subservient to both government and corporations!    “CORPOGOVERNMENT”   No thank Joe L.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bin/gennie.pl?Rant+138+bi" rel="nofollow">http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bi&#8230;..ant+138+bi</a><br /><a href="http://www.constitution.org/jm/18191213_monopolies.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitution.org/jm&#8230;..polies.htm</a></p>
<p>James Madison<br />
Monopolies Perpetuities Corporations<br />
Ecclesiastical Endowments</p>
<p>“Monoplies tho’ in certain cases useful ought to be granted with caution, and guarded with strictness agst abuse. The Constitution of the U. S. has limited them to two cases, the authors of Books, and of useful inventions, in both which they are considered as a compensation <strong>for a benefit actually gained to the community as a purchase of property which the owner might otherwise withold from public use. </strong>There can be no just objection to a temporary monopoly in these cases but it ought to be temporary, because under that limitation a sufficient recompence and encouragement may be given. The limitation is particularly proper in the case of inventions, because they grow so much out of preceding ones that there is the less merit in the authors and because for the same reason, the discovery might be expected in a short time from other hands.</p>
<p>Monopolies have been granted in other Countries, and by some of the States in this, on another principle, that of supporting some useful undertaking untill experience and success should render the monopoly unnecessary, &amp; lead to a salutary competition. This was the policy of the monopoly granted in Virga to Col. Jno Hoomes to establish a passenger-stage from ____ to ____ But grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all, the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent, and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good.</p>
<p>In all cases of monopoly, not excepting those specified in favor of authors &amp; inventors, it would be well to reserve to the State, a right to terminate the monopoly by paying a specified and reasonable sum. This would guard against the public discontents resulting from the exorbitant gains of individuals, and from the inconvenient restrictions combined with them. This view of the subject suggested, the clause in the bill relating to J. Rumsey in the Virga Legislature in the year 178_ providing that the State might cancel his privilege by paying him ten thousand dollars and to secure him agst the possibility of a payment in depreciated medium, then a prevalent apprehension, it was proposed that the sum should be paid in metal &amp; that of a specified weight &amp; fineness”</p>
<p>Same old story just different jerks……….   Fuck the pundits, reaffirm the “words” of our founders and why!   Tax exempt health insurers and for profit health insurers, “monopolies” on “your life” and corporate servitude under the color of law, just like a King.   Hartford Conn., the insurance hub of the World and Joe L.  Does he qualify as a Corporate Aristocrats?  Aka as “asselelphants” on the take for the benefit of  corporations, making then buying  law to render <strong>you</strong> subservient to both government and corporations!    “CORPOGOVERNMENT”   No thank Joe L.</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackworth1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lieberman won his seat through trickery, rule breaking and a complicit element within the national Democratic Party hierarchy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lieberman lost the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont in Connecticut. Lieberman was elected by Republicans and low-information Democrats. Lieberamn was the de facto Republican candidate. Lieberman is a scumbag.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lieberman won his seat through trickery, rule breaking and a complicit element within the national Democratic Party hierarchy. </p>
<p>Lieberman lost the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont in Connecticut. Lieberman was elected by Republicans and low-information Democrats. Lieberamn was the de facto Republican candidate. Lieberman is a scumbag.</p>
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