Who’s the embarrassment, though, the brazenly moronic or the voters who keep him? Face it, we have a lot of voters who aren’t ready for self-government. It depends on those of us who keep informed, and are capable of seeing what is in our best interests, to elect real public representatives – and pitch the bums out.

“Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.”

Different permutations of the same old problem, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, 118 U.S. 394 (1886). Until that gets fixed, nothing really changes.

This post is a very concise and perfect summation of the lunacy of J. Low LieberME! schtick.

What a blot on history this killer is.

Lieberman’s not even a reliable 60th vote. For this the Democrats kept him the caucus, to be a resounding … kvetch?

What a waste of a seat. Thanks, Connecticut, from the thoroughly ungrateful rest of the nation.

Joe L. A corporate aristocrat. Protecting the interests of corporate America, while trashing common decency and dignity. Where does Joe’s financial backing come from? Demorats and repugs……….

http://www.opensecrets.org/

Absolutely!

Just read something yesterday that really got me thinking about the how-to part of this, since I agree it is THE way to correct so many of today’s problems. It’s a long report from within Honduras right now, but this part caught my eye:

…the African National Congress – the movement that toppled the apartheid regime in South Africa – that spent the 1960s and 70s as an armed guerrilla insurgency but had then transformed into a victorious nonviolent campaign when it had shifted its emphasis to community organizing techniques of house-to-house persuasion and education. From 1994 to the present, the ANC has led the elected government of that country. The big change in the ANC’s tactics came based on the advice the ANC, during its guerrilla stage, had received in the late 1970s from the leaders of Vietnam’s successful armed resistance to US colonial invasion.

http://narcosphere.narconews.c…..duras-coup

I feel this is key to us removing the levers of power from the LieberMEs, Repubs, and most importantly the Infiltrator-Dems like Baucus, Conrad, Feinstein, once and for all.

I hope FDL readers and others can find ways to help in the “house-to-house” education of America’s sleepwalking electorate. We don’t have 59-60 votes in the Senate and not sure we really have a majority in the House, since I do not consider the DLC/Blew Dog types Democrats. They exist to obstruct real Liberal reforms from happening and have/are succeeding in this. We’d be seeing substantial Liberal reforms to our entire system right now under Obama if these infiltrators were not in there.

Getting more people to understand these dynamics is perhaps the most important thing we can do for future generations.

The 60 vote majority is an anomaly, brought in by too many years of wingnut domination. The constitution requires 51 votes. Only the perpetual filibuster that the wingers use to keep the voters from being represented honestly has instituted this ‘61 vote rule’ that has destroyed majority rule/democracy.

Good morning, pups. It’s the Pasty Little Putz and Krugman this morning. The Pasty Little Putz says “Don’t Blame Obama,” and that in reality, the health care wrestling match is less a test of President Obama’s political genius than it is a test of the Democratic Party’s ability to govern and deliver on its most significant promises. Prof. Krugman, in “All the President’s Zombies,” says Reaganomics has failed to deliver what it promised, yet people still believe that government intervention is bad, and leaving the private sector to its own devices is good.

Here they are.

The coffee and tea are ready, the cold drinks are in the fridge, and the biscuits are out of the oven. How did Monday get here so fast, and where is August disappearing to? Have a great day.

Thanks and indeed, one on one is the way to take back the rational basis of democracy that the wingers and media have obscured. I like the ANC tactics, reminiscent of Rev. MLK.

Bonkers, you are speaking of the “corporate aristocrats” Jefferson warned of! These individuals are beholding to their corporate supporters plain and simple. Shame self serving elected officials into oblivion. Expose many, for what they are, aristocratic opportunists who can pay to play and win while “Americans” suffer the consequences of one’s myopic self interests. For those “responsible politicians,” thank you! For the “corporate shrills” wrapped in the US Flag with “bible” clenched in teeth, you will not meet your maker when you die You will shake hands with Satan, and rot in hell. Shame on the corporate appeasers who seek to imposed corporate servitude on America, slavery by another name!!!!!

Joe has seen the way McCain is still getting on the Sunday shows and is jealous. He will say whatever will keep him at the center of attention.

Re: Tom Ridge: Remember the Dem primary defeat of Lieberman by Ned Lamont in 2006? Recall also that the very next day Homeland Security prematurely released the news of an amorphous, British Muslim plot to hijack aircraft and declared a security alert that snarled airports. All to steal Ned’s thunder.

The coming of the DLC and Clintons signaled the end of the Democratic Party as a voice for the poor, the downtrodden, the needy and for the workers. When the Clintons and the Senator from Israel along with other political whores signed a pact with corporate Amurca they essentially “took the money and ran”, they gave not a hoot about principles, decency or the plight of those less fortunate, they cared only about money and power.

With Rahm “Aipac” Emanuel running the show in the WH greed has become the mantra and BO has joined the crowd suckling at the tit of big money. BO demonstrated his willingness to do the corporate bidding when he backed immunity for the telecoms and fucked us on FISA despite his indications, during the election, not to. He has since gone back on his word so many times he has become a bloody joke. The little prick from CT is only flourishing because he is rooted in the fertile ground of the DLC, the WH greed and the total ineptitude of the Democratic “leadership”.

“…yet people still believe that government intervention is bad, and leaving the private sector to its own devices is good.”

Justified government intervention is necessary. “Capocrats” have no problem with the intervention of government in the affairs of others, i.e., “The Iraq Oil Plot.”

This is acceptable to them. It is unacceptable only when they derive no monetary benefit or advantage from the intervention. So lets drop bombs on Iraq, lets destroy property in Iraq, insured by AIG, now all paid for by the American Taxpayer, who is being raped at home by tax exempt health insurers who lessen the burdens of government(?) and for profit health insurers with tax liabilities, who pay little in taxes….. Go figure America, we cannot afford reform health care reform? If the media would only inform America how much the American people already subsidize health services by virtue of tax exempt status enjoyed by the health services they would realize “”HEALTH CARE IS ALREADY SOCIALIZED!”" THEY JUST DO NOT KNOW IT!

Which means a constitutional amendment to modify that 1886 Supreme Court decision, nomolos. Under later interpretation of that ruling, the legal fiction known as a corporation enjoys the same rights to free political speech as a person. Spending money freely to dominate political discourse just advances shareholder interests.

Foreign-owned insurance companies and health care corporations (don’t need to be an American citizen to own stock) in effect have greater rights under our constitution than American citizens.

Until that gets fixed, nothing really changes.

CORPORATE SERVITUDE………. SLAVERY BY ANOTHER NAME!

Donations to an American political campaign from a foreign national are illegal and yet from a foreign owned corporation it seems to be not illegal, such is the way in corporate Amurca.

Marion, Good am…..Who is the Pasty Putz? I’d rather hear it from you. Salon this morning saying PO is dead….and analysis. Agree?

Corporate Identity’s Rights vs Individual Rights

Madison and Jefferson feared the power of corporations having dealt with a King ad his corporate scum as they raped the colonists. They wanted limitations on monopolies and the corporations which thrive on profit. They’re fears were well justified as everything today is about protecting corporations and bottom line profit vs the life mad liberty of Americans. Ask Dred Scott or a slave.

The irony of the 14th Amendment is that it gave to corporations at the state level exactly what Jefferson and Madison did not want corporations to have, an equal footing under law with living breathing human beings. The seed of this insidious slavery to corporations is rooted in state’s right, incorporation, due process and equal protection. Slavery and Corporate servitude are different sides of the same coin. Forced economic leveraging achieved under the color of law is not life liberty and happiness, it is concocted servitude aka slavery…………

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_(Bill_of_Rights)

The Pasty Little Putz is (ugh) Ross Douthat. Haven’t read Salon yet, that’s a lunchtime task. I find less and less worth reading there lately…

Agree completely except the part about Obama. The DLC, New Dems, etc. all aggressively courted him over the years and he never joined, sometimes having rather public rebukes.

His life history, his career path, and much of what he does and says today suggests he is much more Liberal than these false-front groups. Obama’s win over Clinton has essentially put the DLC into a dormant stage, has it not? The Blew Dogs are stepping in to fill the void now. Many of the things Obama has signed already did not have any Repub support and often not the support several DLC/Blew Dogs each time. Is this not a very tricky minefield to navigate…one he didn’t create? Obama having some DLCers around him doesn’t bother me much, since I think he’s simply doing the “keep friends close, enemies closer” strategy, which is a good way to keep the DLCers neutralized. Exposing and kicking out many more of the Infiltrator Dems, as we did with LieberME! is the most important task I think.

We go around and around about the various theories as to why, but all that really matters now is what to do about it – the How. What activities are going to deliver the most bang for our buck in terms of cleaning up some of the corruption of the political system generations before have died for?

This is what I’m interested it.

The entire DLC/”Real Dems” argument gets a little stale after a while.

Many of the major liberal reforms of the 20th century passed with votes coming from both the Republican and the Democratic side.

Yes, there’s too much corporation power. But the DLC did not create this phenomenon.

Right now, the debate goes to whether they try for 51 in the Senate or 60. The Gang of Six and any other hanger-on, so-called “moderates” really have to fish or cut bait between now and early September.

In reconciliation, they could just throw $10 or $20 billion at those small state senators like Conrad to shut them up. That’s all North Dakota really wants in the end: more Northeast, Illinois and West Coast money funneled into their state as a subsidy/tribute.

FWIW, they could just as well merge Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota into one state. Still wouldn’t have the population of Connecticut, I think. After that, “one more word out of you guys and we’re trading you to Canada.”

Would the prosecutions for torture/war crimes be a good start? Certainly signals being a nation of laws and some limits to power.

America………. shut Washington down for a day or two. Let the voices of the governed be heard vs the corporate influences which seek to use the American people as a means to profit! How many in your family have died from lung cancer and cigarettes, liver disease and alcohol, Ford Pintos and fireballs? I just wonder how long it will take to remove Viagra off the shelf, if a long term effect like, “your dick falling off,” ever comes to be! But then again like the tobacco institute, Pfizer will set up a tax exempt group espousing the virtues of Viagra, while claiming to lessen the burdens of government. Meanwhile you are dying standing there with your penis in your hand wondering why you became addicted to *iagra in the first place. People, would you walk a mile for a Camel cancer stick or a little blue pill?
SHUT DC DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turk says to Short Ride:

you never lifted a finger to get to the bottom

You are overlooking the possibility that Short Ride was involved with selecting the colors of the alerts.

May be a possibility.

Wow…the Pinto, Camels, Viagra….aren’t we proud? What’s the problem?

Thanks….surely bi-partisan Pres. cannot stand in the way of wherever this would lead….

Lieberman’s been hurting America for longer than a decade. The whole reason he’s a senator is because the national Republican political establishment wanted revenge on Lowell Weicker for daring to back Nixon’s impeachment. Yes, folks, the GOP prefers him to Weicker- that should tell you something.

He, in fact, is responsible for giving the Republicans the fake bipartisan figleaf they needed to push their impeaching of Bill Clinton, a man who Lieberman claimed and still claims as his best bud despite this betrayal. He will always, when it truly counts, put the GOP’s wishes over America’s needs. Always.

Lieberman is simply being reasonable. He favors the mandatory health insurance solution I guess and you can’t get people to pay usurious health insurance premiums in the middle of a recession. Even Joe Lieberman knows that an insurance company executive cannot get blood out of a stone. So Joe wants to wait until times are better say in the first year of the first term of the next President from the GOP to make things right for the American consumer.

Not to mention that if we wait until times are better, ignoring the fact for the moment that a rational solution to the health insurance problem would speed our country’s economic recovery while insuring many of the 50 million, or so, without health insurance security, but if we wait until times are better we can continue to paper over the really big budget buster known as Medicare which is now projected to yield $39 trillion in deficits over the next two decades or so.

Joe is wise enough to know that you can’t ask the average American to pay top dollar for his/her/their private health insurance premium plus co-pays plus deductibles plus caps (in return for a standard of living that ranks 19th among America’s peers) and ask them to fund a Medicare deficit of this magnitude in a recession.

It’s only common sense people for the Senator from the Nutmeg state, in which the City of Hartford used to be the proud capital of the American insurance empire, to step up and demand a halt to any actual health care reform that would benefit living, breathing Americans.

Joe sees all sides of this impossible predicament and he is just trying to be reasonable, which is consistent with the heroic tradition of the US Senate. Never lead when you can swerve or duck! (This is actually inscribed in Latin above the Senate’s cloakroom entryway.) So Joe is simply echoing the Senate template. How can you possibly blame him for that I ask you?

No problem for some people, just death for my brother! No problem here?

Bonkers, you might want to read this.

You can draw your own conclusions.

There’s no doubt that we have an uninformed electorate, but that’s only one of many problems that we have.

We have a pliable public easily manipulated by propaganda and distraction. This was a strategy developed by the private sector to make consumerism and self image the main interests of Americans. It has led to the acceptance of greed and possession of material wealth as metrics to measure one’s succes and worth.

To maintain the cash flow to corporations they pushed for an got congress to remove any barriers to consolidation and monoplolism, by pushing the meme that the private sector with it’s market wisdom will be the most efficitent and produce the best results for all. The unfettered free market was unleashed and off we went into become the tools of corporatism – dumb consumers of all sorts of junk, including the consumers of huge debt so that we could own the “image” things we were told we must have.

The problems then moved to controlling the nation’s agenda. So special interests (corporations) next targeted government. It was they who make the laws and regulate the market, and set the overall agenda. They pumped billions into shills election coffers, and eventually created a government with plants in both parties. They made sure that they could legally buy elections – Money = Free Speech and then kept the money flowing cia lobbyists to keep their guys in power.

The agenda of government was now clearly what is in the best interest of the private sector, determined by rich special interests. They owned the media, the market place, including all sectors – food, health, insurance, energy, tel com, military/defense… you name it. All of these sectors reduced to a few virtual monopolistic companies, absent competition or even real innovation. They have a stranglehold on the agend and the cash in our personal accounts and in our government’s budget. They made themselves, with the help of their people in congress too big too fail and so failure only meant that the taxpayers would HAVE to bail them out or the whole economy would collapse in a new york minute.

Marketers realized that people could be fooled, pumped with disinformation and even vote against their own interest or vote on emotional “religious” and “family issues”.

There was a perception that the USA had enormous wealth and no one would notice the accumulation of most of it in the hands of a very few, IF it appeared that everyone was flush with consumer junk and smiling.

Then the financial whizzes who were engineering the economy here and abroad were caught overplaying their hand. Not only were they playing with the savings, retirement funs, investment portfolios, and pensions of every citizen, but they decided to invent financial instruments to play with which were like chips in a casino and the bets were out of this world. They figured out that they could create asset bubbles, lead everyone inside to think they would get rich by doing nothing as the asset naturally rose in value. They sucked off fees, and gamed the market and cashed out at the top causing the bubble to burst and millions to take a hit.

They even got the government to push the real estate bubble telling everyone that the American dream was to own a home and to make that possible they sold trillions of debt to millions of people who believed that the “asset” bubble was erasing their debts. How Cool!. But they didn’t call it an asset bubble – but a safe investment in the real estate market. This frenzy for real estate had the collateral effect of creating all sorts of other bubbles, in construction, and all sorts of related consumer products for houses, cars, and it permeated through the economy as debt. Consumers were borrowing to keep their image made so important by the marketing of what the good life looks like – big TVs, boats, SUVs, vacations and so on. Most purchased with debt. The banks were growing (and glowing) and then the bubble burst and it all rippled through almost every sector of the economy.

We now had no manufacturing base. As part of consolidation and monopolization and in the drive for profits corporations, downsized their facilities, automated, busted unions, moved their facilities offshore to low cost labor markets, not to offer better pricing (they did in some cases) but to increase profits. Americans were not keeping up with the debt they owned. Incomes were not rising but for those at the top and in upper management. With no competition in the health / insurance industry people could not pay for their healt needs. Catastrophes led to many bankruptcies.

We became addicted to living beyond our means and when jobs were lost people could no longer even tread water.

We have failed to address the huge structural problems in our economy – we have heard about fixing the financial system and dumped almost $1TT into the banks who were the stewards of credit and were supposed to get the credit based economy going. That hardly happened at all. The broken system fixed is only going to come back and bite again because it’s premise is fundamentally flawed.

The crash is now in slo motion with some people making money – mostly those who can buy up distressed properties / businesses at fire sale prices.

Oppressive debt ruined many countries and only debt cancellation has allowed a few to get going again. American needs to find a way out of it’s internal debt to it’s bankers. They can’t seem to work and pay it off, because the jobs are not there. And the ones that are not paying enough.

Those in power are refusing to see what we have done to ourselves, lead their by capital and the private sector which insists it has the best way to make it work.

Health care COULD be a debate about the failure of capital and the private sector to do anything ELSE but make some folks INSIDE the industry very wealthy. It COULD be a debate about how high profits can ROB the people of services, of value, or decent products.

all bureaucracies tend to be inefficient. Government is ALWAYS labeled a bureaucracy. But the private sector is equally bureaucratic.

We can hardly have an honest discussion about this because the people are uniformed, the press is uninformed, there is so much disinformation around that the facts are hard to ascertain, the congress is uninformed and when they get it, they simply see wealth creation as a goal – an admirable goal – whether it’s their own wealth or that of a corporation. Wealth = good (= god’s will)

Houston, we have a problem.

To the republicans for years, the one vote from Joe Lieberman that passed the bill was considered bipartisan to the right wingers. My, my, my, how things have changed! Ole Joe just can’t bring himself like the other right wing evil-mongering conservatives to do what is good for the American people. He hates us!

Joe wearing a tutu: http://www.bartcop.com/lieberman-tutu.jpg

Some things never change! Conservatives find him sexy to all hell.

Many of the major liberal reforms of the 20th century passed with votes coming from both the Republican and the Democratic side.

Exactly. And that’s why they developed the DLC facade in the first place.

It was about shifting the “center,” or swinging the pendulum so far to the right that what was once considered Repub, like Barry Goldwater, now resides within the DemocratIC Party. It’s a classic divide and conquer tactic that worked for them. The Dems have been in disarray ever since.

LBJ and southern Dems of the past could at least bond with Liberals from other parts of the country over economic and blue collar issues. This doesn’t happen now, and I attribute it to two things:

1. Conglomeration of the dominant media messaging, which then for the most part determines what becomes the public discourse. This gets John Q. Nascar voting against his own family’s best interests.

2. The DLC/”Centrist” Dem game, which then fractures those bonds among Liberals across the country, that allowed for the sweeping reforms of the early to mid 1900s.

I agree though, we’re here now and have to do something about the problems now. I do think think there’s some value in understand how we got here though, and making sure we know who the real enemies are. This will result in more sound strategies as we move forward.

I read that a long time ago, and did draw my own conclusions. Against their warnings, Obama ran against the long-groomed, former Exec Dir and current leader within the DLC, Hillary Clinton, which brought basically the entire DLC Establishment out against him. Obama won handily.

True, or not true?

There is tremendous value in “holding feet to fire” and having input from so many perspectives, but honestly, who has done more to improve “race” relations and empower melanin-enhanced people in America, or the world for that matter – Bruce Dixon or Barack Obama?

I work sometimes in similar circles of people like Bruce Dixon, and while I respect much of their work, I also think there may be some jealousy involved. Is incessant parsing of words to find some sort of loose thread of connection, no matter how tenuous if one exists at all, going to help bring about social change?

I am sorry for your loss….It, the problem, all sounds criminal, doesn’t it? Problem? Yes. Years ago my Gyn said the best thing one can do for health = not smoke and named all the body parts/functions that can be effected. Just about all….

“Instilled needs by corporate design, needs that where not needs at all, just conditioned minds?”

My song entitled: “Conditioned Minds” Consumerism and/or Corporate Servitude under the color of law?

Life, and Liberty subject to the dictates of corporate who buy and manipulate law to advance their cause to the detriment of the republic. Servitude by another name!

Corporations vs People… the seeds of America’s next civil war?

It is funny, but sad, too. Joe, the Super Jew, chases after the right-wingers, desperately seeking approval, and getting it. He doesn’t even realize these cronies would just as soon see him dead as look at him. Oh yes, they just love the Jews, don’t they? Yeah, to bring the Rapture on. Then, it’s buh-bye, Joe — you’ll feel nice and warm now.

I don’t know who is sicker — the holy rollers, or those who suck up to them.

For Bev, if you’re still here. Yesterday went really well and everyone loved it. The slide guitar was the perfect addition to the playing. Thanks for asking. Now, I just have to get through the interview this morning and make it through the day at work without breaking out in hives.

Well,I guess we have to agree to disagree, Bonkers.

Lieberman won his seat through trickery, rule breaking and a complicit element within the national Democratic Party hierarchy.

Lieberman lost the Democratic Primary to Ned Lamont in Connecticut. Lieberman was elected by Republicans and low-information Democrats. Lieberamn was the de facto Republican candidate. Lieberman is a scumbag.

http://www.poormojo.org/cgi-bi…..ant+138+bi
http://www.constitution.org/jm…..polies.htm

James Madison
Monopolies Perpetuities Corporations
Ecclesiastical Endowments

“Monoplies tho’ in certain cases useful ought to be granted with caution, and guarded with strictness agst abuse. The Constitution of the U. S. has limited them to two cases, the authors of Books, and of useful inventions, in both which they are considered as a compensation for a benefit actually gained to the community as a purchase of property which the owner might otherwise withold from public use. There can be no just objection to a temporary monopoly in these cases but it ought to be temporary, because under that limitation a sufficient recompence and encouragement may be given. The limitation is particularly proper in the case of inventions, because they grow so much out of preceding ones that there is the less merit in the authors and because for the same reason, the discovery might be expected in a short time from other hands.

Monopolies have been granted in other Countries, and by some of the States in this, on another principle, that of supporting some useful undertaking untill experience and success should render the monopoly unnecessary, & lead to a salutary competition. This was the policy of the monopoly granted in Virga to Col. Jno Hoomes to establish a passenger-stage from ____ to ____ But grants of this sort can be justified in very peculiar cases only, if at all, the danger being very great that the good resulting from the operation of the monopoly, will be overbalanced by the evil effect of the precedent, and it being not impossible that the monopoly itself, in its original operation, may produce more evil than good.

In all cases of monopoly, not excepting those specified in favor of authors & inventors, it would be well to reserve to the State, a right to terminate the monopoly by paying a specified and reasonable sum. This would guard against the public discontents resulting from the exorbitant gains of individuals, and from the inconvenient restrictions combined with them. This view of the subject suggested, the clause in the bill relating to J. Rumsey in the Virga Legislature in the year 178_ providing that the State might cancel his privilege by paying him ten thousand dollars and to secure him agst the possibility of a payment in depreciated medium, then a prevalent apprehension, it was proposed that the sum should be paid in metal & that of a specified weight & fineness”

Same old story just different jerks………. Fuck the pundits, reaffirm the “words” of our founders and why! Tax exempt health insurers and for profit health insurers, “monopolies” on “your life” and corporate servitude under the color of law, just like a King. Hartford Conn., the insurance hub of the World and Joe L. Does he qualify as a Corporate Aristocrats? Aka as “asselelphants” on the take for the benefit of corporations, making then buying law to render you subservient to both government and corporations! “CORPOGOVERNMENT” No thank Joe L.

Senate democrats were ready dump Joe LIEbermann after the Nov 2008 election, but President Obama a/k/a Mr. Why Can’t We Be Friends-step in and saved him. BIG mistake!

Oh my Gawd, Lieberman, [spit].

At least Cheney’s mother named her son aptly. She should’ve named Lieberman too. Cause he is a Dick.

I don’t think this is accuate. Clinton may be hawkish on foreign affairs issues but a review of her record would suggest that her defense of the type of healthcare reform we want would have been stronger than what we’re seeing now. I don’t think anyone can argue that Obama’s domestic policy positions (both as Senator and as Canddiate) have been consistently to the right of the former Senator Clinton. Trying to tar her with the DLC brush when she’s not even involved in this debate is ridiculous and counterproductive, especially since the DLC itself is a bit player in this whole thing (unlike the Blue Dogs, which is a different story altogether).

The key now is to work with the President to move this forward, applying pressure and leverage in the House to ensure that a strong PO will be a clear condition precedent to any bill and to make sure that the President understands that any bill without the PO will result in its failure, and therefore the probable failure of his presidency.

I disapprove of ad hominen attacks on Obama because I believe that they detract from this strategy. Ad hominen attacks on Hillary Clinton on this issue are even more pointless.

Joe Lie-berman = I-Scumbag

Along with his campaign to only think about what’s best for Joe Lieberman to the exclusion of all other considerations.

At times like these we wonder what they do with their officers in far off countries where the army has been stuck without cause, to a war without end. Where they are picked off daily by an unseen enemy trying to kill them by means of stealth, trying never to show themselves due to their small numbers. A shot goes astray, a grenade goes off too close, the view for the spotter is just a little too out in the open, and the spotter is the commander, because no one else will go up. No one else in the company have any reason to die for nothing.
At times like these the officers understand that they have harmed their men. The know they have destroyed the morale, that the company isn’t coming back with all it’s people. The officer understands that life is short, and that he has made his last fatal error to the troops that were counting on him. Another body bag for the lieutenant. Another chance for the dirt soldier to come home alive if they can only wait these “leaders” out, if they can only survive until they are free.

Wha?

Clinton was brought up in a direct connection to claim made that Obama is a DLCer at heart. Soo…I simply bring up the fact that he defeated the DLC candidate as proof that they are not two peas in a pod. Hillary is certainly a DLCer as evidenced by her years and years in various officail leadership titles within the organization, including during the campaign (still has a title there I assume?) Other major DLCers were her biggest supporters in the BigMedia. We can guess all we want about what she would’ve wanted on various issues over the years, but I’d rather base things on what she’s actually done.

I’d hardly consider that a pointless “ad hominum attack.”

And yes I agree, that debate is not what’s really important right now anyway, which I also said earlier.

Some of what you say is interesting, but I am growing more and more skeptical of Obama. I worked for him and voted for him, but he has disppointed in many areas. When we carry on about the blue dogs, we should remember that many of them got elected because they were either picked and/or supported (over progessive challengers) by Rahm and now Rahm, (Obama’s ol pal) is Chief of Staff. Now, it is the blue dogs that are the responsible for impeding and watering down health care reform. Perhaps, watered down, corporate friendly health care reform is Obama’s goal. He may be aiming to claim a big win but give a big handout to the industry rather than the people.