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	<title>Comments on: Late Night: I Asked For Sharks With Frickin&#8217; Laser Beams Attached to Their Heads!</title>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, EMP “attacks” have already occurred. In 1962, an damaging EMP was an unintended side-effect of Starfish Prime, a US nuclear test in space over the Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse). The damage was relatively minor because electrical systems were mostly electromechanical and thus relatively immune. Contemporary Soviet tests apparently did more damage in Central Asia, including electrical fires. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today, such an event could do a lot more damage because of the widespread use of semiconductors. Protecting solid-state equipment is apparently no easy task.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, using the possible EMP danger as a reason to attack North Korea or Iran is a bit much. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Either country would have to have a lot more engineering sophistication and resources than it has now. An attacker would need to develop a weapon of sufficient power. The Starfish test used a 1.44-megaton W49 thermonuclear device (a fusion/hydrogen bomb), which is harder to make than a fission weapon. Then they would have to miniaturize it enough to fit on a missile–no easy task in itself (W49s weighed over 1600 pounds, while early US H-bombs weighed 40,000 pounds or more). Finally, they’d need to get the warhead to detonate at the right altitude in space over the central US. In the 1962 test series, four of the five test shots leading up to Starfish failed to go off at all. The North Koreans or Iranians would only get one shot, too–they couldn’t test it the way we did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So would either country want to go to that level of trouble to insure an annihilting counterstrike? I doubt it. They want to develop nuclear weapons because they fear that we will otherwise use such weapons against them. In short, their rationale is neither more (nor less) evil/irrational than ours was at the height of the Cold War.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, EMP “attacks” have already occurred. In 1962, an damaging EMP was an unintended side-effect of Starfish Prime, a US nuclear test in space over the Pacific (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse</a>). The damage was relatively minor because electrical systems were mostly electromechanical and thus relatively immune. Contemporary Soviet tests apparently did more damage in Central Asia, including electrical fires. </p>
<p>Today, such an event could do a lot more damage because of the widespread use of semiconductors. Protecting solid-state equipment is apparently no easy task.</p>
<p>That said, using the possible EMP danger as a reason to attack North Korea or Iran is a bit much. </p>
<p>Either country would have to have a lot more engineering sophistication and resources than it has now. An attacker would need to develop a weapon of sufficient power. The Starfish test used a 1.44-megaton W49 thermonuclear device (a fusion/hydrogen bomb), which is harder to make than a fission weapon. Then they would have to miniaturize it enough to fit on a missile–no easy task in itself (W49s weighed over 1600 pounds, while early US H-bombs weighed 40,000 pounds or more). Finally, they’d need to get the warhead to detonate at the right altitude in space over the central US. In the 1962 test series, four of the five test shots leading up to Starfish failed to go off at all. The North Koreans or Iranians would only get one shot, too–they couldn’t test it the way we did.</p>
<p>So would either country want to go to that level of trouble to insure an annihilting counterstrike? I doubt it. They want to develop nuclear weapons because they fear that we will otherwise use such weapons against them. In short, their rationale is neither more (nor less) evil/irrational than ours was at the height of the Cold War.</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;voodoo?   voodoo?     Alright,  alright.  I admit I killed papa doc with the voodoo.  And Czar nicholas, and Pope Unguentine XXIV,   JFK, and Richard, Coeur d’Leon,  and the Nicholas Brothers.&lt;br /&gt;
  I did not mix the joojoo for Groucho.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voodoo?   voodoo?     Alright,  alright.  I admit I killed papa doc with the voodoo.  And Czar nicholas, and Pope Unguentine XXIV,   JFK, and Richard, Coeur d’Leon,  and the Nicholas Brothers.<br />
  I did not mix the joojoo for Groucho.</p>
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		<title>By: tk1200</title>
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		<dc:creator>tk1200</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They understand fear, and so fear-mongering is their entree and main course and dessert. After 8 years of Bush-Cheney they have no where else to go. They can’t admit to errors or obfuscations, so they must press on with the fear. They have nothing else of course, but it is a n extremely powerful appeal that they make to this human emotion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They understand fear, and so fear-mongering is their entree and main course and dessert. After 8 years of Bush-Cheney they have no where else to go. They can’t admit to errors or obfuscations, so they must press on with the fear. They have nothing else of course, but it is a n extremely powerful appeal that they make to this human emotion.</p>
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		<title>By: bobh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I worked in a scientific research center for 33 years, and am aware of various DoD projects to develop high energy lasers for use as weapons.  None of these is in a deployable state, I believe.  So it is with these “electromagnetic pulse” weapons-there is no such thing as far as I know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in a scientific research center for 33 years, and am aware of various DoD projects to develop high energy lasers for use as weapons.  None of these is in a deployable state, I believe.  So it is with these “electromagnetic pulse” weapons-there is no such thing as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting on AIG. As I recall, one of the main (supposed) reasons for bailing them out under the”too big to fail” canard was that it would destroy the EU banks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for your answers. They are always thought provoking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting on AIG. As I recall, one of the main (supposed) reasons for bailing them out under the”too big to fail” canard was that it would destroy the EU banks. </p>
<p>Thank you for your answers. They are always thought provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glass-Steagall was repealed by Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999 as I recall.  It would take another act of Congress to re-instate it.  Glass-Steagall applied both to banks and insurance companies btw.  AIG’s insurance operations need to be examined closely.  There was funny stuff going on with them especially in the area of re-insurance which may have left them with insufficient reserves.  Eventually they should be sold off.  The financial arm AIGFP should be closed out.  It still has some $200 billion in European bank regulatory relief CDSs, a scam that these banks used to free up more of their reserves for speculative activities. I would wind these up even if it meant sticking the Euro banks with losses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glass-Steagall was repealed by Gramm-Leach-Bliley in 1999 as I recall.  It would take another act of Congress to re-instate it.  Glass-Steagall applied both to banks and insurance companies btw.  AIG’s insurance operations need to be examined closely.  There was funny stuff going on with them especially in the area of re-insurance which may have left them with insufficient reserves.  Eventually they should be sold off.  The financial arm AIGFP should be closed out.  It still has some $200 billion in European bank regulatory relief CDSs, a scam that these banks used to free up more of their reserves for speculative activities. I would wind these up even if it meant sticking the Euro banks with losses.</p>
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		<title>By: punaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>punaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m still getting flashbacks from that 70s EMP concert featuring &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Y4rR9ueWk&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brain Salad Surgery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m still getting flashbacks from that 70s EMP concert featuring <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Y4rR9ueWk&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">Brain Salad Surgery</a></p>
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		<title>By: solerso</title>
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		<dc:creator>solerso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“An EMP could cripple and cause catastrophic consequences to our country’s power grids. Imagine a world with no lights, phones, communications devices,  transportation, water food or access to money!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For hours…possibly even &lt;em&gt;days&lt;/em&gt;.. think about &lt;strong&gt;that&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“An EMP could cripple and cause catastrophic consequences to our country’s power grids. Imagine a world with no lights, phones, communications devices,  transportation, water food or access to money!”</p>
<p>For hours…possibly even <em>days</em>.. think about <strong>that</strong></p>
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		<title>By: emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;to resurrect Glass-Steagall, would it have to go through Congress or could a president simply authorize  signing order? And could/would you handle AIG as you would Goldman?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to resurrect Glass-Steagall, would it have to go through Congress or could a president simply authorize  signing order? And could/would you handle AIG as you would Goldman?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the problem is too big for an RTC.  I would still go more the Swedish route:  restructure and recapitalize the banking system, return it to vanilla only types of activities, re-impose Glass-Steagall, break up the TBTF, effectively outlaw investment banks like Goldman by turning off their credit lines and investigating their investment activities, getting rid of most derivatives and requiring high capital reserves to back any that remained.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is too big for an RTC.  I would still go more the Swedish route:  restructure and recapitalize the banking system, return it to vanilla only types of activities, re-impose Glass-Steagall, break up the TBTF, effectively outlaw investment banks like Goldman by turning off their credit lines and investigating their investment activities, getting rid of most derivatives and requiring high capital reserves to back any that remained.</p>
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