Comments on: Marc Ambinder, Howard Dean, and the Intimidation of Acceptable Discourse http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:13:56 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Gasman http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961808 Gasman Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:16:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961808 <p>Armbinder’s mea <em>sorta</em> culpa was entirely self serving. He seems most interested in covering his own arse rather than truly coming clean. So far, everything that has emerged about the Bush years has totally vindicated the loony liberals who were screaming about these outrages at the time. If we knew about them, how come Armbinder didn’t? He was either lazy or made a conscious decision to shelve any pretense of journalistic skepticism in order to be part of the jingoistic chorus.</p> Armbinder’s mea sorta culpa was entirely self serving. He seems most interested in covering his own arse rather than truly coming clean. So far, everything that has emerged about the Bush years has totally vindicated the loony liberals who were screaming about these outrages at the time. If we knew about them, how come Armbinder didn’t? He was either lazy or made a conscious decision to shelve any pretense of journalistic skepticism in order to be part of the jingoistic chorus.

]]> By: Justinajustice http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961353 Justinajustice Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:07:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961353 <p>You are a thousand per cent correct. Fear of terrorism was the tool Bush-Cheney used to manipulate voters and the Congress. They didn’t fear terrorism at all. It was simply the phony justification for everything they did, especially invading Iraq for its oil and stripping us of all our Constitutional rights.</p> You are a thousand per cent correct. Fear of terrorism was the tool Bush-Cheney used to manipulate voters and the Congress. They didn’t fear terrorism at all. It was simply the phony justification for everything they did, especially invading Iraq for its oil and stripping us of all our Constitutional rights.

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961352 perris Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:49:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961352 <p>I just went to marc’s mia culpa and he still doesn’t get it, I had to register and post the following;</p> <p>however this piece you just wrote demonstrates, you just don’t get it and I really think after reading this you never will…to wit;</p> <blockquote><p><strong>their worldview was shaped by an all-consuming obsession about terrorism. The One Percent Doctrine. </strong> </p></blockquote> <p>you are still believing what has been demonstrated to be false, they had no obsession about terrorism they created obsession among the rest of us as their tool controlling us</p> <p>THAT is the very point</p> <p>IF they had an obsession concerning terrorism they would have NEVER attacked Iraq, they would have NEVER diverted the assets desperately needed in Afghanistan to attack Iraq which THEY KNEW AS A FACT was not involved, which THEY KNEW AS A FACT had NO weapons of mass destruction and which they knew as a fact posed NO threat</p> <p>THEIR intelligence told them their claims were lies</p> <p>GET IT?</p> <p>the had NO “obsession” with terrorism accept for their obsession with power and how exploiting terrorism would facilitate their obsession</p> <p>STOP giving them ANY “benefit of doubt”, there IS no doubt, they used terrorism as their tool to attack a country they’ve wanted to attack since they fantasized about it as members in a SICK and MANIACAL fraternity known as the PNAC.</p> <p>now, if you are going to give us a mia culpa, be so kind as to STOP giving the previous (or present for that matter) administration ANY “benefit of doubt”, your JOB as a journalist IS to doubt</p> <p>get it yet?blockquote></p> I just went to marc’s mia culpa and he still doesn’t get it, I had to register and post the following;

however this piece you just wrote demonstrates, you just don’t get it and I really think after reading this you never will…to wit;

their worldview was shaped by an all-consuming obsession about terrorism. The One Percent Doctrine.

you are still believing what has been demonstrated to be false, they had no obsession about terrorism they created obsession among the rest of us as their tool controlling us

THAT is the very point

IF they had an obsession concerning terrorism they would have NEVER attacked Iraq, they would have NEVER diverted the assets desperately needed in Afghanistan to attack Iraq which THEY KNEW AS A FACT was not involved, which THEY KNEW AS A FACT had NO weapons of mass destruction and which they knew as a fact posed NO threat

THEIR intelligence told them their claims were lies

GET IT?

the had NO “obsession” with terrorism accept for their obsession with power and how exploiting terrorism would facilitate their obsession

STOP giving them ANY “benefit of doubt”, there IS no doubt, they used terrorism as their tool to attack a country they’ve wanted to attack since they fantasized about it as members in a SICK and MANIACAL fraternity known as the PNAC.

now, if you are going to give us a mia culpa, be so kind as to STOP giving the previous (or present for that matter) administration ANY “benefit of doubt”, your JOB as a journalist IS to doubt

get it yet?blockquote>

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961351 SouthernDragon Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:44:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961351 <p>Oh, man, I’m so sorry to hear that. Wow. We’re pulling for her, and you.</p> Oh, man, I’m so sorry to hear that. Wow. We’re pulling for her, and you.

]]> By: RevBev http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961350 RevBev Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:36:53 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961350 <p>My dear God, prayers and hugs to you all. That’s the urgency Obama used to talk about saying….if you could hear the stories I hear. Maybe there can be some good coveage in her future. I heard Dean just awhile ago saying polls for the PO are at 80%….We do not know the outcome, but I don’t think he would lie.</p> <p>Take care of yourself as well. Our hearts are with your family….if you don’t mind saying…what beach did they visit? Fantastic..</p> My dear God, prayers and hugs to you all. That’s the urgency Obama used to talk about saying….if you could hear the stories I hear. Maybe there can be some good coveage in her future. I heard Dean just awhile ago saying polls for the PO are at 80%….We do not know the outcome, but I don’t think he would lie.

Take care of yourself as well. Our hearts are with your family….if you don’t mind saying…what beach did they visit? Fantastic..

]]> By: Twain http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961349 Twain Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:30:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961349 <p>So sorry. Sometimes life punches really hard. My best to all of you. Will be thinking of her.</p> So sorry. Sometimes life punches really hard. My best to all of you. Will be thinking of her.

]]> By: perris http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961348 perris Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:29:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961348 <blockquote><p>they commandeered an entirely new form of media to communicate and share information with each other.</p> </blockquote> <p>and breathed the breath of life to a new fourth estate</p>

they commandeered an entirely new form of media to communicate and share information with each other.

and breathed the breath of life to a new fourth estate

]]> By: OldFatGuy http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961347 OldFatGuy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:17:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961347 <blockquote><p>Patience, grasshopper.</p></blockquote> <p>Yeah, sorry man (and sorry to all). I’m an emotional wreck today.</p> <p>My niece (my sister’s daughter) is 19, was diagnosed with cancer and diabetes, and got a trip this week to the beach for her “Make a Wish” and it all just hits home so Goddamned hard. I’m literraly in tears at the thought of what happens to her if she fails at school due to her struggles with the disease or when she finishes school and can no longer be on my sister’s plan. She is one of those “uninsurables” and what that will mean for her, her future, my sister’s future, etc. etc. etc. </p> <p>And her mother emailed me telling me how happy she was and how beautiful the beach was and I’m a wreck today thinking about her and what’s happening to millions liker her.</p> <p>I’ll try and work on the whole patience thing.</p>

Patience, grasshopper.

Yeah, sorry man (and sorry to all). I’m an emotional wreck today.

My niece (my sister’s daughter) is 19, was diagnosed with cancer and diabetes, and got a trip this week to the beach for her “Make a Wish” and it all just hits home so Goddamned hard. I’m literraly in tears at the thought of what happens to her if she fails at school due to her struggles with the disease or when she finishes school and can no longer be on my sister’s plan. She is one of those “uninsurables” and what that will mean for her, her future, my sister’s future, etc. etc. etc.

And her mother emailed me telling me how happy she was and how beautiful the beach was and I’m a wreck today thinking about her and what’s happening to millions liker her.

I’ll try and work on the whole patience thing.

]]> By: KellyCDenver http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961346 KellyCDenver Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:07:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961346 <p>Forgot to add; the only hope is the Progressive Caucus holding out and not letting them pass a bill. </p> <p>But you know damn well that Rahm and Stinky Hoyer will peel them off one at a time, frosh by frosh, by threats of the WH withholding support in 2010.</p> <p>The thing is, the frosh should realize that running AGAINST Obama at that time might be the exact thing to do. </p> <p>We’ll just have to see who can hold on through.</p> Forgot to add; the only hope is the Progressive Caucus holding out and not letting them pass a bill.

But you know damn well that Rahm and Stinky Hoyer will peel them off one at a time, frosh by frosh, by threats of the WH withholding support in 2010.

The thing is, the frosh should realize that running AGAINST Obama at that time might be the exact thing to do.

We’ll just have to see who can hold on through.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961344 SouthernDragon Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:07:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/21/marc-ambinder-howard-dean-and-the-intimidation-of-acceptable-discourse/#comment-1961344 <p>As with the primaries and general election there’s a segment of the population that is inaccessible to normal polling methods, ie, land line phone - youth. They communicate via cell and web. They are the ones giving the small donations to ActBlue, they’re the ones calling, etc. It’s not all us old fucks makin’ all this noise. They’re the ones the Rethugs are really most afraid of. Unless the Dems make a total hash of everything those young Dem voters will vote for more progressive candidates in droves. For years. </p> <p>Patience, grasshopper.</p> As with the primaries and general election there’s a segment of the population that is inaccessible to normal polling methods, ie, land line phone – youth. They communicate via cell and web. They are the ones giving the small donations to ActBlue, they’re the ones calling, etc. It’s not all us old fucks makin’ all this noise. They’re the ones the Rethugs are really most afraid of. Unless the Dems make a total hash of everything those young Dem voters will vote for more progressive candidates in droves. For years.

Patience, grasshopper.

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