What Sandbun said. I’m in favor of everything that Obama is pushing for and more. I want single payer. Why? Because I think it will benefit ME! OK? Purely selfish reasons I claim. I don’t wish to be proven a hypocrit. However,if I happened to work for a corporation that provided me with pretty good medical benefits I would really enjoy the courtesy of, purely as a matter of self interest, being able to defend what I currently have, and not be accused by Mr. Levine or another so called “Progressive” of harboring dark racist motives.

You progressives like to pretend wonder why the average working class white male is not on your side, but you don’t really try to figure it out. Instead you demonize and scapegoat him as a backward and wicked neanderthal while contorting yourselves to pat yourselves on the back for your inclusive humanity as compared to the backward and wicked white male who mysteriously refuses to work with you. If your movement wasn’t so full of beans in that way we might all make some progress.

Show some evidence if you’re going to accuse people of something as terrible as racism.

“Frankly, I haven’t a clue why Obama is traveling the “bipartisan” road. He’s been around long enough to know Republicans define the term as “my way or the highway.” It’s almost as if he wants to look like he’s doing something but not really risk anything.”

Agreed. The only reason he is clinging to this blatantly phoney “bipartisan” crap is because otherwise he would have do what the majority of Americans want him to do and his Wall Street base would be pissed. The “bipartisan” thing gives him an excuse.

I actually think his bipartisanship has been nothing more than political cover.

Frankly, I haven’t a clue why Obama is traveling the “bipartisan” road. He’s been around long enough to know Republicans define the term as “my way or the highway.” It’s almost as if he wants to look like he’s doing something but not really risk anything.

because by structuring it as the “what’s in it for me” argument for the bulk of Americans that have their own private medical insurance…

Framing the health care reform effort in those terms also diminishes its urgency to the vast majority of Americans. Those who have insurance can afford to be more critical if they have access to health care. If the effort were framed as an attempt to “do the right thing,” Obama could appeal to the inherent sense of justice most Americans have.

I think Obama has botched this thing and even if we eventually get something it’s not going to be what most of us want.

It’s clear the Republicans have fucked up and don’t deserve to hold office. The Neo Cons and morons have infested the party, and it deserves to die a slow death.

If Democrats ruin this, the Blue Dogs, Obama, anyone. Screw them.

Time for Independents, or a “real” Progressive Party, or something. Anything.

I have only voted for Democrats since 2004 (the year I could first vote) because Republicans have pissed me off.

If Democrats ruin it for me now, I have no problem swearing off both parties. This country’s bullshit 2 parties and nobody else system is stupid anyway.