Oddly enough, I believe my daughter would tell him to fuck off.

Why do you insist on using a homosexual term to describe the Tea Party?

Hey [Edited by Mod. No name calling please], that’s what they call themselves. Your shit is getting really old.

Nonsense, I tea bag my girlfriend all the time.

How do you keep from bitch slapping these people?

But you know what actual “tea-baggong” consists of — don’t you dear?

pretty revealing. The 2nd man who spoke made clear his first principle isn’t really concern for life–his rage against liberals moves him to declare that their children are better off aborted, lest they otherwise come into the world and advocate for a fair health care system. Right wingers claim to operate on certain principles–concern for life (with the exceptions of war, the death penalty, liberals’ unborn fetuses), opposition to big government (exceptions for the war on terror, warrantless surveillance, torture). I think the right wing is great on slogans, but digging just a little bit beneath the surface shows that the principles they claim to stand for are malleable. Something else is going on–and part of it (a lot of it?) has to do with an unreasoning, boiling hatred of liberals, or what they perceive liberals to be.

What could you say? I don’t know, didn’t you have blanket parties in the Corps?

Eliminationism™: It’s not just for the already-born any more!

I just love how the mens get to do all the talking on this issue, while the woman just sat there, and neither of the two respondents thought for even one second to ask HER what she thought.

Typical “pro lifers”.

That’s what you call them. First brought into the mainstream political conversation by Cnn and Anderson Cooper who giggled all over his self when
the term was mentioned.

good point.

it would be easy to drive oneself crazy trying to unravel the “logic” of the 2nd man, who clearly believes abortion is a sin that would place someone in bad stead with their maker, but also fervently wants abortion to continue, at least with regard to those he disagrees with politically.

Only half joking here: I’m starting to think it’s a genetic difference that’s perhaps tending to true speciation. R’s and D’s don’t mate any more, after all, and there are studies showing that R men are being left in large numbers by their women. It’s like marketing vs. engineering types, ever notice how the two never date? Eventually you’d get two separate, distinct species, and since they contend for the same resources, elimination urges and eventually behavior would start to arise. Homo empatheis vs. homo reagansis.

Since our tribe is getting most of the women, I’m not unhappy. Also gracious, they’re welcome to Alabama and Georgia.

Hell, we even had blanket parties in the AF (although not very often).

I think they were actually more prevalent at my military HS.

that’s such a bizarre youtube;

“I think anyone who beleives in abortion is so sick they should always abort their children”

which of course means he does in fact believe in abortion, which means he should abort his any child he fathers, it also means he believes he himself should have been abortede

quite the paradox there

then he goes on to say that anyone that is pro-life who doesn’t admit that they feel exactly how he feels is a liar

wow, I have to massage my temples just anticipating the ramifications

Republitopia – where teaching Darwin is banned but social Darwinism is the law.

tea bagging is a homo sexual term?

interesting, I thought it represented oral sex, to which I believe heter-sexuals are quite fond

but to answer yuor question, tea baggers called themselves tea baggers, we simply co-opted their own term and self discription

Call it what it is: psychosis. I don’t mean that all folks in that camp are psychotic, just that this one person is in the grips of it at the time this video was shot. Caught between competing incompatible imperative belief systems and improvising (quite literally) madly.

You should have told the rest of the story . . .

After the video ends the guys gets a phone call on his cell. Rahm Emanuel wants him to join Baucus, Conrad and Grassley in the negotiations on the finance committee.

sambot, I’d like to know something since I assume you agree with those tea party thingys

do you or anyone going to those parties know the original boston tea party was a revolt against the king for RELAXING taxes on his rich contrbuting cronies?

cuz that’s what it was all about, so when you go to these parties you are doing exactly the OPPOSITE of the original tea party

just wondered if you knew that

His IQ seems to hover around room temperature. I’m not sure it is possible to fight people that are so mean, greedy and stupid.

But hey – that’s the Christian GOP mindset nowadays – give ‘em lots of airtime and let their lights grow dim.

Thank gawd for the unions. Looking like the frickin’ cavalry at the moment.

Is that guy in the video Barney Frank’s dining room table that I’ve heard so much about?

You’re a better person than I. I couldn’t sort out the goo from the GOP coming outta that guy’s mouth.

The troll’s been around a while today. It seems both heavily fact-impervious and heavily fact-averse — raise a fact that causes it discomfort (as a result of being incompatible with its belief system) and rather than adjusting its position or belief system to accommodate that fact, or providing supported contrary evidence to challenge the fact, it either (a) goes quiet, (b) changes the subject, or (c) goes ad hominem. Also frequently states opinions as facts.

Pretty textbook behavior, really. That makes it good learning material for any newcomers in the audience.

Maybe I should write an iTroll iPhone application to make it easier to detect these things. Pretty sure any decent programmer could write an application that could convincingly simulate the postings of a troll of this low calibre.

Not so.

The Tea Party was the culmination of a resistance movement throughout British America against the Tea Act, which had been passed by the British Parliament in 1773. Colonists objected to the Tea Act for a variety of reasons, especially because they believed that it violated their right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives. Protestors had successfully prevented the unloading of taxed tea in three other colonies, but in Boston, embattled Royal Governor Thomas Hutchinson refused to allow the tea to be returned to Britain. He apparently did not expect that the protestors would choose to destroy the tea rather than concede the authority of a legislature in which they were not directly represented.

No doubt if his kids were pro-choice he’d want his grandkids aborted too.

If we can invent a fetal liberal litmus test we’d make a mint.

-G

I think the table is more intellectually consistent

they also believed the King of England was planning to euthanize their grandparents and force them to provide health insurance for illegal aliens

Not so.

is so

the tea party-ers refused entry of that shipment without tariff, they knew it would wind up for sale on their shore without tariff and they refused having it, they INSISTED this tea carry tariff

tiz a fact

it is a convoluted story but it is a fact never the less

I am off upstairs, have at it sambot but whether you accept it or not, the boston tea party was to prevent product from being distributed untariffed

have a good day

Wikipedia much? We cite our sources around here, you should expect to do the same.

Your exact text was found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party. Which also says (emphasis added):

Colonial merchants, some of them smugglers, played a significant role in the protests. Because the Tea Act made legally imported tea cheaper, it threatened to put smugglers of Dutch tea out of business.[42] Legitimate tea importers who had not been named as consignees by the East India Company were also threatened with financial ruin by the Tea Act.[43] Another major concern for merchants was that the Tea Act gave the East India Company a monopoly on the tea trade, and it was feared that this government-created monopoly might be extended in the future to include other goods.[44]

It always cracks me up how the repigs want all babies born, but refuse to provide entitlements for people who need them.

See whether they still feel the same when they’re older and broke and sick and alone. Somehow I doubt it.

I have to call you out a bit over the marketing vs engineering divide. Have you been in the trenches? I am nominally a physicist, but do engineering work mostly. The engineering types are analogous to liberals, wanting to do the right thing–best possible product, while the marketers will do anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, to sell a product, even if it sucks (comparison left to the reader). Now I know a lot of engineering types are conservative, but I suspect that they can be reasoned with in the end. Marketing types, no. And they are not by nature liberal.

Good point about the separation of species, though. I’ve seen a couple of pieces in the past few years in the NYT suggesting it may be true.

I have worked in tech companies since 1983, so I guess that counts as in the trenches. And I am, as it sounds like you are, an engineer, though I am not -quite- as judgmental against the marketeers as you seem to be. But since you seem to be agreeing with me that the two camps are in essence totally different breeds (so to speak), I’m a little unclear as to what part you intend to be calling me out on…? (Not at all mad about that, just curious.)

Oh really? The colonists had “elected representatives?” Did King George know about this?

This person believes what any decent person would believe.

No decent percent believes one who supports the brutal slaughter of human babies would be a good parent, just as no decent person would have believed a Nazi would have been a good parent.

(1) fetuses are not human babies–which doesn’t mean they have no value, but what they are, and the circumstances involved, are a lot more complicated than the simple statement that they are “human babies” suggests. For one thing, fetuses live inside a human being. Human babies do not. Pregnancy and the question of abortion is very complicated, and there are often lots of factors involved, including the health of the mother. It’s simplistic and insulting and offensive to refer to abortion as “the brutal slaughter of human babies”.

(2) people who have abortions are not Nazis, nor are they equivalent to Nazis

(3) someone who believes abortion is murder is being intellectually inconsistent when they say that some abortions are ok, which is the position the decent person you refer to takes. The fact that someone who believes abortion is murder also thinks some abortions should be carried out calls into question whether they truly believe what the claim to believe.

We really must be close to winning if this is the best calibre of troll they can send over. Yay!

agreed

Wow mike, thanks for setting me straight!! You’re obviously a stellar intellect with great insight! But, what is a ‘decent percent’?

Bingo!

85-90% is pretty decent.

ah, I missed that…maybe answering that would help resolve some of the concerns I raised

…Doubtful.

I wonder if those attending those tea parties understand how moronic they look to anyone that knows the history of this country, how she came to exist, what her founders and what the original tea party was all about

sad those, aren’t attending those tea parties, they know not how foolish they demonstrate themeslves

so since you beleive that very same thing, that those people should also have been aborted, you think you should have been aborted as well?

as I said before, this is bizarre

…Also doubtful.

You wouldn’t mind having him as a neighbor? Are you kidding me? If he were my neighbor, I would leave. Immediately. Abandon my house and everything in it. Not worth it.

The tea-baggers may think of themselves as echoing the Boston Tea Party, but I think their tea party is more like the one in Alice in Wonderland — a Mad Tea Party where nothing but nonsense is spouted.

Mike,I hope you listen to smarty tapes while you’re asleep, I hate to think of you getting dumber and dumber from hanging around these morons on our behalf. Really, there is no word to describe this kind of insanity: people who believe in abortion should abort their children because they are unfit parents. So, dude, you DO believe in abortion?

Wow. Just wow.

From what I have seen, Mike probably listens to The Art of War on audiobook in his sleep.

Funny indeed, though actually I have to say Sun Tzu has some extremely insightful guidance for the waging of campaigns such as the one with which we are presently involved… just sayin’. And I would hazard a guess that if Mike has ever been exposed to those ideas, well, they appear not to have stuck.

Make Art Not War.

Also: Love.

mmmmmmmmm…..

‘Course then you have to choose between

Make Love Not Art

and

Make Art Not Love

…which is never, ever an easy choice.

I don’t think anybody said Tea Bagging was a Homosexual thing, it has much to do with Oral Sex, but yeah its a FAILURE by the GOP to know that calling yourselves Tea Baggers makes those under 35 (im over 38) giggle because it means something totally different in the Urban Dictionary.

Every time Maddow said it, I screamed at the TV “Teeea Bagggg” (causes there’s a rap song with the same chorus)

GOP = Tragically Un-hip