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	<title>Comments on: Late Night: &#8220;Does This AR-15 Assault Rifle Make My Ass Look Fat?&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959272</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t think guns at public meetings is a good idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many (most?) people that carry give some thought to when they would escalate from just having the weapon to preparing to use it, to actually using it. And just exchanging angry words wouldn’t be enough to even start preparing to use it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AR-15 to M-16 conversions are not easy. A competent machinist could do it if they were willing to risk their tools and freedom. A home hobbiest might be able to do it if they had a good milling machine, but again the risk to freedom makes it unlikely. Could some crazy militia decide to do wholesale modification to their member’s weapons? Sure it could be done. Is BATF and other Law Enforcement looking for this? Absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fully auto weapons aren’t that useful anyway. Hard to aim, need to change magazines frequently, allow barrels to cool - all of these are problems. There’s a good reason for the basic military issue &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;M4 carbine&lt;/a&gt; not having full-auto capacity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t think guns at public meetings is a good idea.</p>
<p>Many (most?) people that carry give some thought to when they would escalate from just having the weapon to preparing to use it, to actually using it. And just exchanging angry words wouldn’t be enough to even start preparing to use it.</p>
<p>AR-15 to M-16 conversions are not easy. A competent machinist could do it if they were willing to risk their tools and freedom. A home hobbiest might be able to do it if they had a good milling machine, but again the risk to freedom makes it unlikely. Could some crazy militia decide to do wholesale modification to their member’s weapons? Sure it could be done. Is BATF and other Law Enforcement looking for this? Absolutely.</p>
<p>Fully auto weapons aren’t that useful anyway. Hard to aim, need to change magazines frequently, allow barrels to cool &#8211; all of these are problems. There’s a good reason for the basic military issue <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine" rel="nofollow">M4 carbine</a> not having full-auto capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959259</link>
		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t think I was perpetuating a myth that converting for instance an AR-15 to an M16 was easy.  It can be done and plenty of people may not be taking that into account in the whole, bring a gun to public meetings trend.  In the far gone past I knew some folks that claimed they had fully automatic weapons but I suspect they were blowing smoke.  As you say a plastic stock on a semi-automatic is one of the delineating features of an assault rifle but the actual essential mechanisms can be exactly the same.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Definitely agree with the safety tips but that doesn’t mean that I think that anyone but a cop needs to carry a gun in a public meeting.  Putting two angry guys at each other when both are armed is a risk without a reward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t think I was perpetuating a myth that converting for instance an AR-15 to an M16 was easy.  It can be done and plenty of people may not be taking that into account in the whole, bring a gun to public meetings trend.  In the far gone past I knew some folks that claimed they had fully automatic weapons but I suspect they were blowing smoke.  As you say a plastic stock on a semi-automatic is one of the delineating features of an assault rifle but the actual essential mechanisms can be exactly the same.</p>
<p>Definitely agree with the safety tips but that doesn’t mean that I think that anyone but a cop needs to carry a gun in a public meeting.  Putting two angry guys at each other when both are armed is a risk without a reward.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
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		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can’t buy sex toys in some states (&lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003916961_websextoyban01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alabama&lt;/a&gt; and Texas). Public display is probably deemed obscene even if you lawfully own out of state sex toys.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can’t buy sex toys in some states (<a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003916961_websextoyban01.html" rel="nofollow">Alabama</a> and Texas). Public display is probably deemed obscene even if you lawfully own out of state sex toys.</p>
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		<title>By: flagpole</title>
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		<dc:creator>flagpole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m getting a little tired of the whole “guns at public meetings” thing….I don’t have a problem with gun ownership, as I’m not consciously a hypocrite (generally speaking), but how stupid can you be?  Even aside from the puerility, do these goofballs think the cops aren’t watching?  More, perhaps, to the point, don’t they recognize that there’s a reasonable chance that I’m standing right behind them and I don’t need a gun to put them in a lot of hurt if they so much as sneeze?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How’s this for a suggestion:  henceforth, all proponents of health care reform, or anything else that those from beyond the Palin oppose, should bring a SUBSTANTIAL sex-toy to any rally/town-hall they attend.  If you can find one big enough, put a rifle-sling on it.  And paint it day-glo pink, preferably metallic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Spread the word.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m getting a little tired of the whole “guns at public meetings” thing….I don’t have a problem with gun ownership, as I’m not consciously a hypocrite (generally speaking), but how stupid can you be?  Even aside from the puerility, do these goofballs think the cops aren’t watching?  More, perhaps, to the point, don’t they recognize that there’s a reasonable chance that I’m standing right behind them and I don’t need a gun to put them in a lot of hurt if they so much as sneeze?</p>
<p>How’s this for a suggestion:  henceforth, all proponents of health care reform, or anything else that those from beyond the Palin oppose, should bring a SUBSTANTIAL sex-toy to any rally/town-hall they attend.  If you can find one big enough, put a rifle-sling on it.  And paint it day-glo pink, preferably metallic.</p>
<p>Spread the word.</p>
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		<title>By: wmd1961</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959190</link>
		<dc:creator>wmd1961</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There isn’t much functional difference between an “assault” rifle and a auto-loading hunting rifle. Mostly black plastic that makes people go “ooo scary gun”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Quit perpetuating the myth that it is easy to convert a semi-auto sear to fully auto. it isn’t that easy and it is very illegal under &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GCA 1968&lt;/a&gt;. BATF investigates credible claims of illegal conversion and people have died during enforcement operations. Full auto conversions are not widespread, and I’d venture the few illegal fully automatic weapons out there are primarily diverted from military or police, not converted from semi-auto.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with you that fully auto is over rated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guns are as safe as the person carrying them. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safety&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Basic safety rules&lt;/a&gt; - treat every firearm as loaded, keep finger away from trigger until ready to shoot, do not point gun at anything you aren’t willing to shoot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn’t much functional difference between an “assault” rifle and a auto-loading hunting rifle. Mostly black plastic that makes people go “ooo scary gun”.</p>
<p>Quit perpetuating the myth that it is easy to convert a semi-auto sear to fully auto. it isn’t that easy and it is very illegal under <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968" rel="nofollow">GCA 1968</a>. BATF investigates credible claims of illegal conversion and people have died during enforcement operations. Full auto conversions are not widespread, and I’d venture the few illegal fully automatic weapons out there are primarily diverted from military or police, not converted from semi-auto.</p>
<p>I agree with you that fully auto is over rated.</p>
<p>Guns are as safe as the person carrying them. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safety" rel="nofollow">Basic safety rules</a> &#8211; treat every firearm as loaded, keep finger away from trigger until ready to shoot, do not point gun at anything you aren’t willing to shoot.</p>
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		<title>By: zapkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>zapkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An assault rifle has, among other things, a selective fire setting that includes single shot and automatic fire capability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it does not have that capability it is not an assault rifle. And the AR-15 does not have that capability. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore when you label a winger as carrying an assault rifle &lt;em&gt;you are accusing them of breaking the law&lt;/em&gt; when you have no evidence that they are, in fact, breaking the law… which plays into their hands.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. </p>
<p>An assault rifle has, among other things, a selective fire setting that includes single shot and automatic fire capability.</p>
<p>If it does not have that capability it is not an assault rifle. And the AR-15 does not have that capability. </p>
<p>Therefore when you label a winger as carrying an assault rifle <em>you are accusing them of breaking the law</em> when you have no evidence that they are, in fact, breaking the law… which plays into their hands.</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959173</link>
		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To extend the semi-auto versus full-auto discussion a bit further.  Fully automatic guns tend to jam and unless used prudently, if such a word applies, the shooter tends to run out of ammunition quickly.  Given the same kind of gun and same number of bullets there are probably few instances where spraying bullets would have a big advantage over aiming and pulling the trigger.   All sniper rifles are either semi-automatic or bolt action for that reason.  Fully automatic pistols were discarded a long time ago for this very reason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guns should never be considered safe simply because they can’t spray bullets by holding down the trigger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To extend the semi-auto versus full-auto discussion a bit further.  Fully automatic guns tend to jam and unless used prudently, if such a word applies, the shooter tends to run out of ammunition quickly.  Given the same kind of gun and same number of bullets there are probably few instances where spraying bullets would have a big advantage over aiming and pulling the trigger.   All sniper rifles are either semi-automatic or bolt action for that reason.  Fully automatic pistols were discarded a long time ago for this very reason.</p>
<p>Guns should never be considered safe simply because they can’t spray bullets by holding down the trigger.</p>
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		<title>By: temptingfate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959164</link>
		<dc:creator>temptingfate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While it appears that most of us can’t answer the question as to whether the AR-15 was brought by someone against or for health-care reform, it seems likely that the against is the most likely.  Carrying a gun to a public meeting rarely suggests a person open to dissenting viewpoints.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The big question though would be whether any of the intrepid gun toters upgraded to full-auto.  The AR-15 converts to a dandy M16 and an UZI semi-auto might be a bit easier still.  Of course if you bring a couple of clips then converting the semi-auto with the intent to just rip through the entire clip, via a bit of filing might be an easier way to meet your goal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guns and frank discussions on controversial subjects, two things that just naturally go together.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@Zapkitty an assault rifle is not defined by whether it is full-auto but by it’s design features and intended function.  An assault rifle has features that are conducive to urban and jungle warfare in contrast to, say, a wooden stock hunting rifle.  Light weight, folding stocks and quick breakdown are useful attributes of an assault rifle.  An assault rifle is not necessarily a full-auto, machine-gun.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it appears that most of us can’t answer the question as to whether the AR-15 was brought by someone against or for health-care reform, it seems likely that the against is the most likely.  Carrying a gun to a public meeting rarely suggests a person open to dissenting viewpoints.</p>
<p>The big question though would be whether any of the intrepid gun toters upgraded to full-auto.  The AR-15 converts to a dandy M16 and an UZI semi-auto might be a bit easier still.  Of course if you bring a couple of clips then converting the semi-auto with the intent to just rip through the entire clip, via a bit of filing might be an easier way to meet your goal.</p>
<p>Guns and frank discussions on controversial subjects, two things that just naturally go together.</p>
<p>@Zapkitty an assault rifle is not defined by whether it is full-auto but by it’s design features and intended function.  An assault rifle has features that are conducive to urban and jungle warfare in contrast to, say, a wooden stock hunting rifle.  Light weight, folding stocks and quick breakdown are useful attributes of an assault rifle.  An assault rifle is not necessarily a full-auto, machine-gun.</p>
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		<title>By: VJBinCT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/17/late-night-does-this-ar-15-assault-rifle-make-my-ass-look-fat/#comment-1959117</link>
		<dc:creator>VJBinCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL!  A dozen protesters packing heat while the Democratic president is speaking: not arrested or hassled.  Any protester wearing counter-to-approved T-shirt at a republican rally: arrested, hassled, sometimes thrown to the ground.  There’s change for you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  A dozen protesters packing heat while the Democratic president is speaking: not arrested or hassled.  Any protester wearing counter-to-approved T-shirt at a republican rally: arrested, hassled, sometimes thrown to the ground.  There’s change for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Only if they have the 2nd Amendment do they consider themselves “free.”  Any other freedom is irrelavent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if they have the 2nd Amendment do they consider themselves “free.”  Any other freedom is irrelavent.</p>
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