Comments on: A Burden Tender and in No Wise Heavy http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:21:16 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957865 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:11:03 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957865 <p>Right. I think Democrats have been afraid of their own hearts since Nixon smashed McGovern in 1972. I think that’s when the Democrats began to cultivate the image of moderation that led to the nomination of Jimmy Carter and to the compromises the Democrats made with Reagan and Bush in the 1980s and 1990s, and with Clinton in the 1990s. Slowly mainstream Democrats became moe right-wing than Nelson Rockefeller and the moderate Republicans of the 1960s.</p> Right. I think Democrats have been afraid of their own hearts since Nixon smashed McGovern in 1972. I think that’s when the Democrats began to cultivate the image of moderation that led to the nomination of Jimmy Carter and to the compromises the Democrats made with Reagan and Bush in the 1980s and 1990s, and with Clinton in the 1990s. Slowly mainstream Democrats became moe right-wing than Nelson Rockefeller and the moderate Republicans of the 1960s.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957862 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:05:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957862 <p>I agree. This certainly <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7275" rel="nofollow">happened to Move-on.</a></p> I agree. This certainly happened to Move-on.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957858 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:03:25 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957858 <p>sporkovat, OODA Loops are good, but the combination of <a href="http://kmci.org/alllifeisproblemsolving/?s=%22OODA%22" rel="nofollow">DECs and KLCs are better.</a></p> sporkovat, OODA Loops are good, but the combination of DECs and KLCs are better.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957853 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:58:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957853 <p>redfish, I agree that Dems may be facing defeat in 2010; but if they are defeated it will be because they’ve sold out to the corporatists again, and demonstrated once more that they don’t care about people. The Democratic Party hasn’t been the party of the people now since Jimmy Carter made his turn towards the economic elite in the 1970s. Not many Democrats are old enough to remember the party of FDR, Harry, JFK, and LBJ. But if we expect to win again on a continuing basis, we have to show people that we are that party once again.</p> redfish, I agree that Dems may be facing defeat in 2010; but if they are defeated it will be because they’ve sold out to the corporatists again, and demonstrated once more that they don’t care about people. The Democratic Party hasn’t been the party of the people now since Jimmy Carter made his turn towards the economic elite in the 1970s. Not many Democrats are old enough to remember the party of FDR, Harry, JFK, and LBJ. But if we expect to win again on a continuing basis, we have to show people that we are that party once again.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957847 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:53:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957847 <p>Redfish, You’re joking of course. Only more of what Jane dishes out will ever make progressives relevant to this Administration.</p> Redfish, You’re joking of course. Only more of what Jane dishes out will ever make progressives relevant to this Administration.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957843 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:49:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957843 <p>It’s not just the AP. WaPo reporters like Ann Kornblut. MSNBC commentators like Chuck Todd, and Sheryl Stolberg in the Ny Times, as well. It’spractical only a rising very chorus of protest from progressives across the country and in Congress will save a public option now. This is the result of progressives remaining relatively passive when the ridiculously weak HR 3200 and Senate HELP bills appeared, and even more the result of pushing for HR 676 from Day one of the new Congress.</p> It’s not just the AP. WaPo reporters like Ann Kornblut. MSNBC commentators like Chuck Todd, and Sheryl Stolberg in the Ny Times, as well. It’spractical only a rising very chorus of protest from progressives across the country and in Congress will save a public option now. This is the result of progressives remaining relatively passive when the ridiculously weak HR 3200 and Senate HELP bills appeared, and even more the result of pushing for HR 676 from Day one of the new Congress.

]]> By: letsgetitdone http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957831 letsgetitdone Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:39:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957831 <p>Glenn, Thanks for a beautifully written post and comment. I really like this one:</p> <blockquote><p>It is an awful, awful thing that America is now fully owned by a few insurance barons, that profits mean more than life, that a few political harlots can derail what an entire political party seeks.</p></blockquote> <p>And I would only modify it by saying that we must add banksters, energy tycoons, and military contractors to your list of owners.</p> Glenn, Thanks for a beautifully written post and comment. I really like this one:

It is an awful, awful thing that America is now fully owned by a few insurance barons, that profits mean more than life, that a few political harlots can derail what an entire political party seeks.

And I would only modify it by saying that we must add banksters, energy tycoons, and military contractors to your list of owners.

]]> By: Glenn W. Smith http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957647 Glenn W. Smith Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:44:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957647 <p>Yea, you are right. I shouldn’t let annoyance affect my judgment, but sometimes I can’t help it….</p> Yea, you are right. I shouldn’t let annoyance affect my judgment, but sometimes I can’t help it….

]]> By: Glenn W. Smith http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957644 Glenn W. Smith Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:43:27 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957644 <p>We have to reach into the hearts of those who don’t yet see. There are some at the moral extremes, but most people are not completely estranged from communion and recognition of others. They hide it from themselves. We have to activate that knowledge, however buried it might be. Someone mentions Lakoff below. This is another way of saying what he says about framing. We need to use language that will activate the compassion side of folk. That side is there.</p> We have to reach into the hearts of those who don’t yet see. There are some at the moral extremes, but most people are not completely estranged from communion and recognition of others. They hide it from themselves. We have to activate that knowledge, however buried it might be. Someone mentions Lakoff below. This is another way of saying what he says about framing. We need to use language that will activate the compassion side of folk. That side is there.

]]> By: Glenn W. Smith http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957640 Glenn W. Smith Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:40:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/16/a-burden-tender-and-in-no-wise-heavy/#comment-1957640 <p>That was one very smart mother you had there!</p> That was one very smart mother you had there!

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