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	<title>Comments on: Does Obama&#8217;s 2008 Campaign Have a Lesson for Saving Healthcare Reform?</title>
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		<title>By: agapit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956596</link>
		<dc:creator>agapit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;People know what Medicare is, they know it works, they know people who use it, some can’t wait to get to Medicare age to be able to choose their doctors at long last. Everyone who has withholding is already signed up for Medicare, so little time will be needed to make the switch. Win, win.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We just need to make sure it is sustainable without unfunded liabilities and rationing, right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>People know what Medicare is, they know it works, they know people who use it, some can’t wait to get to Medicare age to be able to choose their doctors at long last. Everyone who has withholding is already signed up for Medicare, so little time will be needed to make the switch. Win, win.</p>
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<p>We just need to make sure it is sustainable without unfunded liabilities and rationing, right?</p>
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		<title>By: jawbone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956496</link>
		<dc:creator>jawbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Canadians have found that the ability to vote the politicians out if they don’t respond to the public’s needs and recommendations is rather effective on a macro level.  Even the threat of not voting for some pol.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadians have found that the ability to vote the politicians out if they don’t respond to the public’s needs and recommendations is rather effective on a macro level.  Even the threat of not voting for some pol.</p>
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		<title>By: jawbone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956495</link>
		<dc:creator>jawbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama’s had since January as president (and he could have laid the groundwork even earlier) to build his case with the public for what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. He apparently chose to be “above the fray” and let Congressional committees try to work out what he wanted, what the public wanted, what they could accomplish (without the full weight of the presidency assisting them in getting the votes). Instead, Obama worked behind the scenes very, very closely with…Baucus. Blue Dogs. Wooed Republicans. Huh? Stiff armed single payer advocates. And the progressive caucus.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When LBJ wanted Medicare, he told the Congress what he wanted, he told the public what he wanted and what it would do for them. He held Congress to his plan. It passed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clarity would have helped. When I attended my OFA meeting, the major question was: What is Obama’s plan? What is the public option? The leaders did not know, could not tell us. People were frustrated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama could decide what he wants, but I fear he does not want to own up to what he actually wants. I fear he wants to make sure the Big Insurance Parasites (BIP) get to keep high levels of profitability, only now with government subsidies to help them do that and customers mandated to purchase their insurance. There appear to be few cost controls built it, but Obama touts voluntary BIP agreements to lower the rate of increases.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I fear he did not believe, as he said in one debate, that health CARE is right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also fear he wants to be able to blame Congress, specifically Congressional Dems, if the plan he wants turns out to alienate the public and cost them a lot more than they expected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s still time for leadership on a plan which will benefit the public, the nation, businesses: Single payer Medicare for All…with a robust private option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama can declare the negotiations with the Repubs over, as they will not in any way acquiesce to a plan good for the people. Then, he says that while the BIPs will be “disrupted” a bit, for the good of the nation he now stands four square for Medicare for All.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People know what Medicare is, they know it works, they know people who use it, some can’t wait to get to Medicare age to be able to choose their doctors at long last. Everyone who has withholding is already signed up for Medicare, so little time will be needed to make the switch. Win, win.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s had since January as president (and he could have laid the groundwork even earlier) to build his case with the public for what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. He apparently chose to be “above the fray” and let Congressional committees try to work out what he wanted, what the public wanted, what they could accomplish (without the full weight of the presidency assisting them in getting the votes). Instead, Obama worked behind the scenes very, very closely with…Baucus. Blue Dogs. Wooed Republicans. Huh? Stiff armed single payer advocates. And the progressive caucus.  </p>
<p>When LBJ wanted Medicare, he told the Congress what he wanted, he told the public what he wanted and what it would do for them. He held Congress to his plan. It passed.</p>
<p>Clarity would have helped. When I attended my OFA meeting, the major question was: What is Obama’s plan? What is the public option? The leaders did not know, could not tell us. People were frustrated.</p>
<p>Obama could decide what he wants, but I fear he does not want to own up to what he actually wants. I fear he wants to make sure the Big Insurance Parasites (BIP) get to keep high levels of profitability, only now with government subsidies to help them do that and customers mandated to purchase their insurance. There appear to be few cost controls built it, but Obama touts voluntary BIP agreements to lower the rate of increases.</p>
<p>I fear he did not believe, as he said in one debate, that health CARE is right.</p>
<p>I also fear he wants to be able to blame Congress, specifically Congressional Dems, if the plan he wants turns out to alienate the public and cost them a lot more than they expected.</p>
<p>There’s still time for leadership on a plan which will benefit the public, the nation, businesses: Single payer Medicare for All…with a robust private option.</p>
<p>Obama can declare the negotiations with the Repubs over, as they will not in any way acquiesce to a plan good for the people. Then, he says that while the BIPs will be “disrupted” a bit, for the good of the nation he now stands four square for Medicare for All.</p>
<p>People know what Medicare is, they know it works, they know people who use it, some can’t wait to get to Medicare age to be able to choose their doctors at long last. Everyone who has withholding is already signed up for Medicare, so little time will be needed to make the switch. Win, win.</p>
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		<title>By: agapit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956456</link>
		<dc:creator>agapit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: VJBinCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJBinCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, they are transformers, morphing from black helicopters, to planes, to many-legged jack-booted mobile soylent green vats sucking up old ladies taking longer than the stipulated time to cross the street. Damn librul defense contractors!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they are transformers, morphing from black helicopters, to planes, to many-legged jack-booted mobile soylent green vats sucking up old ladies taking longer than the stipulated time to cross the street. Damn librul defense contractors!</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956454</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;P.S. How do you put my comments in your replies. I am new to this blogging.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cut and paste, then highlight and hit the little quote button in the comment toolbar.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>P.S. How do you put my comments in your replies. I am new to this blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: agapit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956453</link>
		<dc:creator>agapit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Familiarize yourself with so called “third party payer problem”.  I am not against reform, not at all. But let’s not repeat errors that were made before us. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S. How do you put my comments in your replies. I am new to this blogging.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Familiarize yourself with so called “third party payer problem”.  I am not against reform, not at all. But let’s not repeat errors that were made before us. </p>
<p>P.S. How do you put my comments in your replies. I am new to this blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956452</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That is what happens when you remove patient’s responsibility for medical cost decisions with low deductible plans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sorry, I don’t follow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is what happens when you remove patient’s responsibility for medical cost decisions with low deductible plans.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry, I don’t follow.</p>
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		<title>By: agapit</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/14/does-obamas-2008-campaign-have-a-lesson-for-saving-healthcare-reform/#comment-1956451</link>
		<dc:creator>agapit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You agree that health services are limited resource, right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You agree that health services are limited resource, right?</p>
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		<title>By: agapit</title>
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		<dc:creator>agapit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Similar to one in Canada and UK, but I must agree, there is really no plan yet finalized to discuss in real terms. Who do you think will control cost of the public plan?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to one in Canada and UK, but I must agree, there is really no plan yet finalized to discuss in real terms. Who do you think will control cost of the public plan?</p>
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