Katy Abram, the self-described conservative who was caught on camera warning Arlen Spector about the United States "turning into Russia," gave a very revealing interview with Lawrence O’Donnell last night.

She makes it clear that what has her riled is not any specific aspect of the Democratic proposals for health care reform, as she also admitted to Spector. On the contrary, she’s just generally angry about "programs" — everything from TARP to Cash for Clunkers.

These programs are being funded by me, my husband, our friends, our family. We have a small business and the amount of taxes we pay out on that, its ridiculous and yet they want us to pay more.

One wonders how she’s determined her taxes are "ridiculous" in light of the fact that she also admits she doesn’t know what her income is. Which means, of course, she also doesn’t know if any of the health care proposals actually will affect her personally.

Aside from not wanting to pay taxes, Abram seems to think we should eliminate "programs" that aren’t specifically detailed in the Constitution, though she refused to say whether she’d cut Medicare or Social Security.

I think a lot of the programs are in place were not supposed to be here.

Along those lines, she told Sean Hannity in a seperate interview,

George Washington is rolling over in his grave right now. This is not what the Constitution wrote. 

I’m not trying to pick on Mrs. Abram. She’s obviously not very knowledgeable, but that doesn’t mean she’s not earnest, or doesn’t have the right to protest her government and speak her mind.

The problem is, you simply can’t have a meaningful debate about government reform of health care policy with someone who objects to the very idea of government doing pretty much anything. And every person I’ve seen asking questions at these town halls fits into that category.

Again: they’re not about health care reform.