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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/13/nyt-misses-full-story-on-mitchell-jessen/#comment-1956296</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops. Don’t know why I wrote “Bob” Inouye. For more on the Daniel Inouye angle, read Bryant Welch’s article at Huff Post last June, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryant-welch/torture-psychology-and-da_b_215612.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Torture, Psychology, and Daniel Inouye: The True Story Behind Psychology’s Role in Torture&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Don’t know why I wrote “Bob” Inouye. For more on the Daniel Inouye angle, read Bryant Welch’s article at Huff Post last June, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryant-welch/torture-psychology-and-da_b_215612.html" rel="nofollow">Torture, Psychology, and Daniel Inouye: The True Story Behind Psychology’s Role in Torture</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/13/nyt-misses-full-story-on-mitchell-jessen/#comment-1956065</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The funding was slipped through Congress with the support of key members (and this answers Bob’s question about Bob Inouye, who on Appropriations, was such a key figure).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Um, can we have another go at this?&lt;br /&gt;
*  The Senator in question is *Daniel* Inouye.&lt;br /&gt;
*  My question was about “whether or not, or how, Mitchell &amp; Jessen’s efforts were (or were not) linked to Sen. Inouye’s office.” I guess what you’re doing here is implying that the fact that Inouye approved appropriations for M&amp;J’s Little Torture Shop of Horrors implies that they were in cahoots. I hadn’t thought about that angle; I was looking for something more direct. But perhaps the funding thing constitutes implied support. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The funding was slipped through Congress with the support of key members (and this answers Bob’s question about Bob Inouye, who on Appropriations, was such a key figure).</p>
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<p>Um, can we have another go at this?<br />
*  The Senator in question is *Daniel* Inouye.<br />
*  My question was about “whether or not, or how, Mitchell &amp; Jessen’s efforts were (or were not) linked to Sen. Inouye’s office.” I guess what you’re doing here is implying that the fact that Inouye approved appropriations for M&amp;J’s Little Torture Shop of Horrors implies that they were in cahoots. I hadn’t thought about that angle; I was looking for something more direct. But perhaps the funding thing constitutes implied support. </p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/13/nyt-misses-full-story-on-mitchell-jessen/#comment-1956056</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I have to plead guilty to using “Dr.” as a title, because I have a Ph.D., which actually does stand for DOCTOR of Philosophy. Most Ph.D.’s don’t have to use Dr. because they can use “Professor,” which in academics is viewed as the preferred title. But you can only use that if you have an academic appointment. For the past 5 years, I’ve only had a research appointment, no teaching, so I can’t use “Professor.” Of course, I often don’t use any title at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to plead guilty to using “Dr.” as a title, because I have a Ph.D., which actually does stand for DOCTOR of Philosophy. Most Ph.D.’s don’t have to use Dr. because they can use “Professor,” which in academics is viewed as the preferred title. But you can only use that if you have an academic appointment. For the past 5 years, I’ve only had a research appointment, no teaching, so I can’t use “Professor.” Of course, I often don’t use any title at all.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/13/nyt-misses-full-story-on-mitchell-jessen/#comment-1956025</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I’ve seen the Foggo story, which is a great example of how aggressive and proactive CIA was in implementing the entire torture program.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I’ve seen the Foggo story, which is a great example of how aggressive and proactive CIA was in implementing the entire torture program.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/13/nyt-misses-full-story-on-mitchell-jessen/#comment-1956023</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s some nice connections:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cambone helped lead Feith’s Office of Special Plans. Cambone’s military assistant was right-wing Jesus-freak holy war General William Boykin. Boykin was former commander of Special Forces at Ft. Bragg, at the same time Mitchell was there on his last military assignment. Boykin was also named as a special supporter of a CIA behavioral scientist’s research into the psychological and physical effects of SERE training. (The latter will be topic of a special article to come.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cambone also, btw, oversaw the redrafting of the Army Field Manual in 05-06, in which he implanted in key sections, especially Appendix M, a version of the torture program, relying on isolation, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, creating and manipulation of fears, use of drugs, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In essence, we have top administration officials, in conjunction with top Defense officials, top Pentagon officers (particularly in Special Forces, JPRA, and Joint Forces Command), and of course, CIA (primarily their covert ops division) implementing the torture program at the behest of “take the gloves off” Cheney. Bush possibly gave the initial order, or signed off on Cheney’s initiative. The funding was slipped through Congress with the support of key members (and this answers Bob’s question about Bob Inouye, who on Appropriations, was such a key figure).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s some nice connections:</p>
<p>Cambone helped lead Feith’s Office of Special Plans. Cambone’s military assistant was right-wing Jesus-freak holy war General William Boykin. Boykin was former commander of Special Forces at Ft. Bragg, at the same time Mitchell was there on his last military assignment. Boykin was also named as a special supporter of a CIA behavioral scientist’s research into the psychological and physical effects of SERE training. (The latter will be topic of a special article to come.)</p>
<p>Cambone also, btw, oversaw the redrafting of the Army Field Manual in 05-06, in which he implanted in key sections, especially Appendix M, a version of the torture program, relying on isolation, sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, creating and manipulation of fears, use of drugs, etc.</p>
<p>In essence, we have top administration officials, in conjunction with top Defense officials, top Pentagon officers (particularly in Special Forces, JPRA, and Joint Forces Command), and of course, CIA (primarily their covert ops division) implementing the torture program at the behest of “take the gloves off” Cheney. Bush possibly gave the initial order, or signed off on Cheney’s initiative. The funding was slipped through Congress with the support of key members (and this answers Bob’s question about Bob Inouye, who on Appropriations, was such a key figure).</p>
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		<title>By: patriotdaily</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriotdaily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;look forward to next part. :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;did you catch how good ole crook Dusty Foggo worked on constructing black sites?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look forward to next part. :)</p>
<p>did you catch how good ole crook Dusty Foggo worked on constructing black sites?</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seligman’s hypothesis of “learned helplessness” in the I960’s is based on his experiments of repeatedly applying electrical shocks on dogs…dogs who couldn’t do anything to escape his torments. Today (even then) one could be jailed for animal abuse for doing such things. It’s called sadism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mitchell seems to have done some research on or appli cation  of a process called “critical incident stress debriefing” given immediately to those exposed to traumatic situations. It was  a theory professed  by another Mitchell…Dr. Jeffrey Mitchell, back in the I980’s. Recent research indicates that these short group debriefings have little effect in reducing PTSD.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jessen has been associated with SERE for over a decade…as this paper indicates. It’s not clear who he was working under at that time (CIA, Pentagon, etc.) but it’s clear he either received an invite or knew about the conference. He presented a paper on precisely who survived and who “broke” during the torture interrogations of US forces in Vietnam, Korea and during WWII. It would be interesting to obtain this paper, cited in the article below. There may be classified (or declassified) papers by Jessen or Mitchell that may be obtainable through a FOIA request. Usually “researchers” follow their initial papers with similar research with an expanded field of subjects. He might have continued with research about state-directed torture on civilians…or non-state actors who took hostages for political propaganda or terror purposes. Things like the Argentinian or Central American torture of left-wing protesters or the Hezbollah hostages in Lebanon. If he was working with “allies” (e.g. those trained by the School of the Americas) he may have been able to access their records via the CIA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finding out such information may provide an interesting way of finding why Jessen and Mitchell were selected and who were their advocates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/Academics/Bellaward/Papers2007/nh-grimshaw.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/Ac.....imshaw.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seligman’s hypothesis of “learned helplessness” in the I960’s is based on his experiments of repeatedly applying electrical shocks on dogs…dogs who couldn’t do anything to escape his torments. Today (even then) one could be jailed for animal abuse for doing such things. It’s called sadism.</p>
<p>Mitchell seems to have done some research on or appli cation  of a process called “critical incident stress debriefing” given immediately to those exposed to traumatic situations. It was  a theory professed  by another Mitchell…Dr. Jeffrey Mitchell, back in the I980’s. Recent research indicates that these short group debriefings have little effect in reducing PTSD.</p>
<p>Jessen has been associated with SERE for over a decade…as this paper indicates. It’s not clear who he was working under at that time (CIA, Pentagon, etc.) but it’s clear he either received an invite or knew about the conference. He presented a paper on precisely who survived and who “broke” during the torture interrogations of US forces in Vietnam, Korea and during WWII. It would be interesting to obtain this paper, cited in the article below. There may be classified (or declassified) papers by Jessen or Mitchell that may be obtainable through a FOIA request. Usually “researchers” follow their initial papers with similar research with an expanded field of subjects. He might have continued with research about state-directed torture on civilians…or non-state actors who took hostages for political propaganda or terror purposes. Things like the Argentinian or Central American torture of left-wing protesters or the Hezbollah hostages in Lebanon. If he was working with “allies” (e.g. those trained by the School of the Americas) he may have been able to access their records via the CIA.</p>
<p>Finding out such information may provide an interesting way of finding why Jessen and Mitchell were selected and who were their advocates.<br /><a href="http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/Academics/Bellaward/Papers2007/nh-grimshaw.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cfc.forces.gc.ca/Ac&#8230;..imshaw.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The CIA says it asked for the memos. I believe them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Pentagon had its own office of legal counsel, and their own way of vetting the program. The SASC report is in large part about how that process went down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CIA says it asked for the memos. I believe them. </p>
<p>The Pentagon had its own office of legal counsel, and their own way of vetting the program. The SASC report is in large part about how that process went down.</p>
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		<title>By: stryder</title>
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		<dc:creator>stryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yoo/bybee/Addington may not be as stupid as they were made out to be.By keeping the memmos loosly worded and open to broad interpretation they almost guaranteed their exploitation/distortion and consequently gave themselves an out and MJ and others,in their eagerness, fell right into the trap.&lt;br /&gt;
You see this strategy used over and over in many areas and are designed as Escape Routes&lt;br /&gt;
We have a chicken and egg scenario going on here about whose idea it was to write the memos to begin with.Was it MJ/military who asked for a broader reading of the existing poilcies for cya or was it the Chen gang that advocated it for their own cya for adopting the poilcy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My point is that it isn’t going to be easy to go up the ladder&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoo/bybee/Addington may not be as stupid as they were made out to be.By keeping the memmos loosly worded and open to broad interpretation they almost guaranteed their exploitation/distortion and consequently gave themselves an out and MJ and others,in their eagerness, fell right into the trap.<br />
You see this strategy used over and over in many areas and are designed as Escape Routes<br />
We have a chicken and egg scenario going on here about whose idea it was to write the memos to begin with.Was it MJ/military who asked for a broader reading of the existing poilcies for cya or was it the Chen gang that advocated it for their own cya for adopting the poilcy?</p>
<p>My point is that it isn’t going to be easy to go up the ladder</p>
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		<title>By: JerryArrigoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>JerryArrigoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeff, it seems to me that these two entrepreneurial folks Mitchell and Jessen have abused their right to use the term Dr. Normally in the west one refers to themselves as a Doctor only when one is actually a medical doctor. I have many friends with PhD’s, some even Professors, but none use the Dr. before their surname. Using  the term Dr. seems to infer that they have graduated Medical School. And besides have a strong Psychological background they want it to appear that they have medical credentials. And the ability to monitor the trauma that might be a result of their suggested techniques. Which is not the case. These guys have now Lawyered Up and had better hired some good ones. That special place in hell for Cheney and Addington is growing daily.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, it seems to me that these two entrepreneurial folks Mitchell and Jessen have abused their right to use the term Dr. Normally in the west one refers to themselves as a Doctor only when one is actually a medical doctor. I have many friends with PhD’s, some even Professors, but none use the Dr. before their surname. Using  the term Dr. seems to infer that they have graduated Medical School. And besides have a strong Psychological background they want it to appear that they have medical credentials. And the ability to monitor the trauma that might be a result of their suggested techniques. Which is not the case. These guys have now Lawyered Up and had better hired some good ones. That special place in hell for Cheney and Addington is growing daily.</p>
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