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	<title>Comments on: Two Key Details Emerge about Mob at Now Notorious Lloyd Doggett Town Hall</title>
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		<title>By: weslen1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/09/two-key-details-emerge-about-mob-at-now-notorious-lloyd-doggett-town-hall/#comment-1953010</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tell FOX News advertisers to cancel their ads:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democrats.com/boycott-fox-news-advertisers?cid=ZGVtczEyNzQyNGRlbXM=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democrats.com/boyco.....QyNGRlbXM=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell FOX News advertisers to cancel their ads:<br /><a href="http://www.democrats.com/boycott-fox-news-advertisers?cid=ZGVtczEyNzQyNGRlbXM=" rel="nofollow">http://www.democrats.com/boyco&#8230;..QyNGRlbXM=</a></p>
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		<title>By: iceman15</title>
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		<dc:creator>iceman15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Our greatest president, FDR, after energetically dealing with much more than is on Obama’s plate had no problems with dispatching the 1936 Repugs, dooming Alf Landon to a laughing stock (&amp; leaving his daughter, Nancy Landon Kassebaum, to a liftime of atonement), simultaneously reducing the Repug remnant in the Senate to 16 members.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Repugs didn’t worry FDR in the slightest; he could have almost coined the phrase: “bring ‘em on”. What really worried him was the incipient fascism &amp; rabble rousing of Huey Long and Father Conklin. Much of this worry explains the timing of his (partial) retreat from the New Deal in 1937/39. His attempt to balance the budget following his defeats to get around the Repug.-controlled Supreme Court were the ‘bi-partisanship’ of his time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have argued in this blog before, using Paxton’s classic treatise on Fascism, that a failure by Obama and the Democrats on core issues may well lead us down this dark road. Today’s insightful post on Truthout:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.truthout.org/080909A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.truthout.org/080909A&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amplifies this concern and ties it neatly to the underlying events Blue Texan illustrates in his post. Obviously, I hope my warnings about Obama’s timidity at FDL for the past several months underestimate his political skills. But this is looking awfully like the Weimar Republic in 1929/30 or Italy in 1921/22 following the effective abandonment of card check &amp; the retreats on the public option. DEFEAT IS NOT AN OPTION. {sorry for the yelling}.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our greatest president, FDR, after energetically dealing with much more than is on Obama’s plate had no problems with dispatching the 1936 Repugs, dooming Alf Landon to a laughing stock (&amp; leaving his daughter, Nancy Landon Kassebaum, to a liftime of atonement), simultaneously reducing the Repug remnant in the Senate to 16 members.</p>
<p>The Repugs didn’t worry FDR in the slightest; he could have almost coined the phrase: “bring ‘em on”. What really worried him was the incipient fascism &amp; rabble rousing of Huey Long and Father Conklin. Much of this worry explains the timing of his (partial) retreat from the New Deal in 1937/39. His attempt to balance the budget following his defeats to get around the Repug.-controlled Supreme Court were the ‘bi-partisanship’ of his time.</p>
<p>I have argued in this blog before, using Paxton’s classic treatise on Fascism, that a failure by Obama and the Democrats on core issues may well lead us down this dark road. Today’s insightful post on Truthout:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthout.org/080909A" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthout.org/080909A</a></p>
<p>amplifies this concern and ties it neatly to the underlying events Blue Texan illustrates in his post. Obviously, I hope my warnings about Obama’s timidity at FDL for the past several months underestimate his political skills. But this is looking awfully like the Weimar Republic in 1929/30 or Italy in 1921/22 following the effective abandonment of card check &amp; the retreats on the public option. DEFEAT IS NOT AN OPTION. {sorry for the yelling}.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckinDenton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckinDenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the thrust of this posting. The health care issue is the wedge issue that brings out generalized fear of “socialism”. One has to remember that most conservative folks don’t want to roll back 75 years of progress-just the nutcases who watch too much Faux News.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  I think once one were to explain how much they rely upon everyday in our society that is funded through taxes for the benefit of all of us (which could be loosly called “socialism”) they will mysteriously go quiet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the thrust of this posting. The health care issue is the wedge issue that brings out generalized fear of “socialism”. One has to remember that most conservative folks don’t want to roll back 75 years of progress-just the nutcases who watch too much Faux News.</p>
<p>  I think once one were to explain how much they rely upon everyday in our society that is funded through taxes for the benefit of all of us (which could be loosly called “socialism”) they will mysteriously go quiet.</p>
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		<title>By: Staggerlee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/09/two-key-details-emerge-about-mob-at-now-notorious-lloyd-doggett-town-hall/#comment-1952566</link>
		<dc:creator>Staggerlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They’re just throwing a temper tantrum over “SOCIALISM!” — which in their wingnut &lt;em&gt;brain stems&lt;/em&gt; applies to everything from TARP to the stimulus bill, and yes — to Social Security and Medicare.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There..fixed it for ya.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They’re just throwing a temper tantrum over “SOCIALISM!” — which in their wingnut <em>brain stems</em> applies to everything from TARP to the stimulus bill, and yes — to Social Security and Medicare.</p>
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<p>There..fixed it for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Mymy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mymy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;McConnell says that the ”Democratic Response to Townhalls Shows We’re Winning.” Winning what? Winning over a mainstream media primed to denigrate all things Democratic? The NYT et al., report on their backing by FreedomWorks and other shill astroturfers, but without any analysis whatsoever of who these guys are, and who backs them (Maddow revealed it was mainly Exxon.) If there is a “Democratic response” at all, it comes best in the form of the representatives themselves who are refusing to be intimidated, like Lloyd Doggett — The ’spontaneous protest’ against him, it turns out, was organized by the local Republican Party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McConnell says that the ”Democratic Response to Townhalls Shows We’re Winning.” Winning what? Winning over a mainstream media primed to denigrate all things Democratic? The NYT et al., report on their backing by FreedomWorks and other shill astroturfers, but without any analysis whatsoever of who these guys are, and who backs them (Maddow revealed it was mainly Exxon.) If there is a “Democratic response” at all, it comes best in the form of the representatives themselves who are refusing to be intimidated, like Lloyd Doggett — The ’spontaneous protest’ against him, it turns out, was organized by the local Republican Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Bassface</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bassface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you are right. These people need to be challenged.&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve said for years that republicans are ‘anti-social’, now DO YOU BELIEVE ME?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are right. These people need to be challenged.<br />
I’ve said for years that republicans are ‘anti-social’, now DO YOU BELIEVE ME?</p>
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		<title>By: arion</title>
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		<dc:creator>arion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Granted that leadership and strategy comes from both the GOP and from private health lobbyists; granted that there is a tinge or racism at work. Nonetheless, these people aren’t just being bussed in and paid to yell and disrupt. Who (and why) are they?  An age divide seems to be an element.  From the clips it looks like more than half of them are the over 60 crowd. We need good demographics on this phenomenon, even if they only represent 2-3% of the population.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted that leadership and strategy comes from both the GOP and from private health lobbyists; granted that there is a tinge or racism at work. Nonetheless, these people aren’t just being bussed in and paid to yell and disrupt. Who (and why) are they?  An age divide seems to be an element.  From the clips it looks like more than half of them are the over 60 crowd. We need good demographics on this phenomenon, even if they only represent 2-3% of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/09/two-key-details-emerge-about-mob-at-now-notorious-lloyd-doggett-town-hall/#comment-1952458</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m surprised, though, at the number of young people that are nuts.  I don’t think it’s generational.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m surprised, though, at the number of young people that are nuts.  I don’t think it’s generational.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s true.  I was just teasing you.  *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s true.  I was just teasing you.  *g*</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!</p>
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