We now know that isn’t true.
A Gazette reporter was there to witness an unruly hollering mob of people disrupt the meeting and personally insult Congressman Doggett. Conservative cable news and talk radio stations around the country hailed the event as a spontaneous outbreak of opposition to proposed healthcare reform. But it was later discovered that the Travis County Republican Party Chair had led an organizing effort to disrupt the event…
These people were Republican ringers, period. Keep in mind that Travis County went for Obama. This is hardly a right-wing stronghold.
There’s a lot of good reporting in this article — but this exchange is really important.
Congressman Doggett stressed that opponents of healthcare reform are also the opponents of Social Security and Medicare, which he said have worked "very successfully."
He added: "Near the beginning of the session…because they were holding up all these Tenth Amendment signs, I was saying, ‘Well, if that’s your attitude about health care, then I suppose you don’t really support Social Security and Medicare,’" Doggett said. "And they said, ‘Yes, we don’t. We don’t think they’re good.‘"
At which point, Doggett said, it becomes more than just a healthcare issue.
"I just think this fanatical insistence on repealing Social Security and Medicare is not just about halting the healthcare bill that’s up there, but it’s about rolling back about 75 years of progress."
This is a big part of the narrative that’s been lost in the media’s attempt to frame these town halls as a debate about health care reform. These crazies are not protesting health care reform. There’s not even a bill yet and I’d wager if you ask 10 of these yahoos what they don’t like about the bills in the House and Senate, 9 won’t be able to articulate any details they find objectionable.
They’re just throwing a temper tantrum over "SOCIALISM!" — which in their wingnut brains applies to everything from TARP to the stimulus bill, and yes — to Social Security and Medicare.
They’re fringe, anti-government nihilists and they’re not interested in the government reforming health care, or anything else. The media, however, continue to frame these events as a referendum on health care reform, which they are not. One side wants to reform health care, the other wants to lynch the federal government.
Not the same thing.
Related posts:
- Lloyd Doggett Takes the Pledge — 11 Down, 29 to Go
- Town Hall Protests: Full of Sound and Fury; Signifying Nothing About Health Care
- Arm Twisting in the House: The Lloyd Doggett Story
- All Together Now: The Town Hall Temper Tantrums Aren’t about “Health Care Reform”
- Mike Ross Town Hall: Friday, August 14, Arkadelphia, AR





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The crazees are trying to take your granny off medicare, so YOU can pay her meds. Isn’t it time to start making our own signs.
If “they” don’t like medicare etc. then let us take some releases and waivers to the meetings and ask them to sign a paper giving up their rights to social security and medicare. If these are such bad programs then they should be happy to not participate. Oh, and while we are at it ask ‘em for a copy of their birth certificates.
Yesterday Doggett had another open forum and I was there. Those supporting healthcare reform outnumbered the crazies by 2 to 1. I kept on waiting for the wingnut buses to arrive but they never did. This event was much more civil than last week’s, probably because the local Dems got advance notice that it was happening and supporters showed up. The signs being held up by the teabaggers were a lesson in insanity of course, but my fave was one that said only said ‘NO’ – kinda sums up their position on everything.
…let us take some releases and waivers to the meetings and ask them to sign a paper giving up their rights to social security and medicare.
hey, wait a minute. I’m sure that that is nowhere in their agreement to show up and be general pains in the ass.
btw, are you from Indianapolis?
now now Blue Texan, just 20 minutes ago Mike Vicquera/MSRNC said what we’re seeing is a “genuine”, “heartfelt”, and “visceral” concern about healthcare and the possibility the govt “will interfere in their relationship with their doctor”
I kid you effing not
An interesting note–the chair of the the Travis County Republican Party (along with her husband) has also developed a medical management consulting business, according to the TCRP web site. She conveniently left this detail out of a recent editorial in the local newspaper (the Austin American-Statesman) defending the mob scene at last week’s town hall.
Good catch Blue Texan and good reporting from the Oak Hill Gazette!
The Chain of Command:
Freedom Works = Dick Armey = Fox News = Glenn Beck & other right wingers with a national microphone to reach the masses
Idiots are easily led and this Chain knows that.
They would call you a TRAITOR or UN-AMERICAN if you asked them any of those questions. Oh the irony!
I’m always skeptical of people who start consulting firms. Sort of like the old Those who can’t, teach theory. Ya know?
The Republi KLAN party has to get put asunder by massive boycotts of companies that give money to their party and conservatives in the Democratic party.
Read our blog http://blog.democratz.org
and you will find out how to get health care we want
Yeah – lately my response to anyone who makes outrageous claims (such as the birthers) has been:
“You’re a citizen, yes? You’re a taxpayer, right? The courts are open. File a lawsuit if you feel so strongly about it. That is your right.”
They clam up real quick after that.
Call the FBI and complain about Freedumbworks. A friend of mine called the FBI aboutthem. More people should call and complain about Freedumbworks and perhaps the FBI will haul Dick Armey down to their office.
The real change in the country will come when my generation is gone. So many don’t understand anything – all they know is that they want it to be “like it used to be”. That means ‘father knows best’ with all the trappings. I guess this is a scary time for most of them because they don’t really ‘get’ today. Backwards is the desirable direction.
It’s all fine to attack these disruptions because a) they are based on lies and b) because they are being organized by industry groups and the Republican party. But, unless Democrats start making an affirmative case for Social Security, Medicare and health reform, they will remain on the defensive.
“Read the Bill!” is an all too common rejoinder from these people, as if they have, to a man, read the entire thing. They are generally flummoxed if you as to which iteration they so dutifully pored over, as very few of them are even aware there are more than one version or even that there are the Committee mark-ups. The majority of these people couldn’t decipher a plain language lease, let alone a complex piece of legislation exceeding a thousand pages in density. But no matter, the simple fact that lawyers say they can’t make sense out of it means nothing to them, for they feel that they are imbued with some special insight which makes them more capable than the the half of the population which “Wants a free ride!” Make no mistake about it, that is the hook that has been set with these people, they have convinced them that over half of Americans pay no Taxes whatsoever and that they are carrying the entire load themselves.
It never occurs to them that this simply cannot be true, people spend money and purchase things, they work, so the argument is patently ridiculous on it’s face. If half of us pay no Income Tax, one would think that it is an obvious indicator of the desperate financial straits that half of Americans find themselves in. Not here in Texas, it is simply “lazy” people taking advantage of the largess of the “Hardworking Americans”, such as themselves. And everyone knows Texas has such generous benefits that people flock here to enjoy them. The old adage, “But for the grace of God, there go I”, never occurs to these God fearin’ folks and Texas has the devoutest of the devout, as they so frequently remind us.
Why, this year we will even have a course on the Bible in our Public Schools-even as our esteemed State Board of “Education” attempts to strip all mention of those politically unacceptable people such as Thurgood Marshall from History texts. Texas is overrun with regressive troglodytes and the local Austin paper has inexplicably decided it is time to rally to their defense. Apparently their thinking is a lot like Rahm’s, they’re the only game in town.
They actually printed this letter in the LTTE section last week. I am anixous to see which, if any of the flood of angry responses it is sure to generate they publish.
There is talk that when our Legislature meets for it’s Biennial 120 day session that the State bird will changed to the Hypocritical Yellow Breasted Hawk, a rare avian species, known primarily for it’s split tongue, which enables it to talk out of both sides of it’s mouth simultaneously. It is found primarily in the East Dallas, Texas area, which coincidentally, is the home of Congressman Pete Sessions (R-TX), who recently proclaimed “the days of civil town halls are now over.”
Consulting firms are a great place to launder kickbacks, now being brought out in hearings in Dallas Fed’l Court about members of the City Council whose friends got thousands for doing nothing, billed as consultation.
I don’t believe I’ve met you yet. Are you new to our family?
the out-of-control fire storm and the fear it has produced has been pandered to and manipulated by the gop, health care industry lobbysit and others with a financial interest in maintaining the status quo or ratings.
perhaps those of us who care about true health care reform with a public option, should start a list of all the companies who advertise on fox news and limbaugh. then start calling, call each company’s marketing department and tell them you will not buy any product by their company until they stop advertising on fox or limbaugh.
this debate has come down to money and influence; it is time we used ours.
Those erupting in shouting matches are no different than hungry little birdies in the nest. They only open their mouths when they’re fed! And we know what mashed up worms they’re eating too: COMING DIRECTLY FROM FREEDOM WORKS AND OTHER CORPORATE INSURANCE LOBBYISTS!
I used to think little hungry birdies in a nest was cute. Not anymore.
The national labor organizations and other national groups supporting health care reform may be organizing a mass protest nationwide later this month or in September. We all need to be in the streets like we were before the invasion of Iraq.
I hope everyone here will do what they can to support these efforts and get as many people out in the streets. The time is now. This is the last chance to make it count.
Honey, you’re yelling.
Budd Schulberg was right on the money.
I have to yell over the buffoons at this point because they’re yelling. LOL
I love it!
That’s true. I was just teasing you. *g*
I’m surprised, though, at the number of young people that are nuts. I don’t think it’s generational.
Granted that leadership and strategy comes from both the GOP and from private health lobbyists; granted that there is a tinge or racism at work. Nonetheless, these people aren’t just being bussed in and paid to yell and disrupt. Who (and why) are they? An age divide seems to be an element. From the clips it looks like more than half of them are the over 60 crowd. We need good demographics on this phenomenon, even if they only represent 2-3% of the population.
you are right. These people need to be challenged.
I’ve said for years that republicans are ‘anti-social’, now DO YOU BELIEVE ME?
McConnell says that the ”Democratic Response to Townhalls Shows We’re Winning.” Winning what? Winning over a mainstream media primed to denigrate all things Democratic? The NYT et al., report on their backing by FreedomWorks and other shill astroturfers, but without any analysis whatsoever of who these guys are, and who backs them (Maddow revealed it was mainly Exxon.) If there is a “Democratic response” at all, it comes best in the form of the representatives themselves who are refusing to be intimidated, like Lloyd Doggett — The ’spontaneous protest’ against him, it turns out, was organized by the local Republican Party.
There..fixed it for ya.
I agree with the thrust of this posting. The health care issue is the wedge issue that brings out generalized fear of “socialism”. One has to remember that most conservative folks don’t want to roll back 75 years of progress-just the nutcases who watch too much Faux News.
I think once one were to explain how much they rely upon everyday in our society that is funded through taxes for the benefit of all of us (which could be loosly called “socialism”) they will mysteriously go quiet.
Our greatest president, FDR, after energetically dealing with much more than is on Obama’s plate had no problems with dispatching the 1936 Repugs, dooming Alf Landon to a laughing stock (& leaving his daughter, Nancy Landon Kassebaum, to a liftime of atonement), simultaneously reducing the Repug remnant in the Senate to 16 members.
The Repugs didn’t worry FDR in the slightest; he could have almost coined the phrase: “bring ‘em on”. What really worried him was the incipient fascism & rabble rousing of Huey Long and Father Conklin. Much of this worry explains the timing of his (partial) retreat from the New Deal in 1937/39. His attempt to balance the budget following his defeats to get around the Repug.-controlled Supreme Court were the ‘bi-partisanship’ of his time.
I have argued in this blog before, using Paxton’s classic treatise on Fascism, that a failure by Obama and the Democrats on core issues may well lead us down this dark road. Today’s insightful post on Truthout:
http://www.truthout.org/080909A
amplifies this concern and ties it neatly to the underlying events Blue Texan illustrates in his post. Obviously, I hope my warnings about Obama’s timidity at FDL for the past several months underestimate his political skills. But this is looking awfully like the Weimar Republic in 1929/30 or Italy in 1921/22 following the effective abandonment of card check & the retreats on the public option. DEFEAT IS NOT AN OPTION. {sorry for the yelling}.
Tell FOX News advertisers to cancel their ads:
http://www.democrats.com/boyco…..QyNGRlbXM=