There is no precise definition in economics of a recession. The rule-of-thumb definition, "two consecutive quarters of negative GDP," sounds good until you realize that GDP is measured in quarters, not months, and there is more than one way to measure GDP, and that GDP is only one measure of overall economic activity.
This is why the NBER uses the term "downturn" because in economic reality, the period of falling economic activity is likely surrounded by difficult times; either before or, more generally, after. The downturn is one specific part of an economic cycle: the part where final economic activity (that is what GDP measures) is falling in inflation adjusted terms. That sounds like a mouthful, because it is.
When measuring economic output, suppose I make a bolt, and I sell it to you to make a motor, you sell it to someone else to make a wood chipper, and someone else buys it to run a business. If you count each sale, it distorts the economy, because it would seem like a larger economy than if someone sat down and made the wood chipper all in one shop. So, GDP is a measure of the final sale. This, and other murky realities of figuring out what is going on, fall under the rubric of econometrics: how to measure what we have measured.
The NBER often shrouds what they do in a great deal of mystery, but it isn’t as hard as all of the conference calls and arguments make out. The NBER tends to date downturns since the Second World War by periods of rapidly rising Unemployment Rate. The headline unemployment rate is a mixture of two things: demand for jobs, and demand for labor. It is a poor measure of the supply of either, since the job market is very inefficient and opaque. Anyone who believes that all information is transmitted instantly in a market needs to get an email asking you to do a job you did 15 years ago now and again.
Now the demand for jobs and the demand for work are going to cross at some point, that is where the market is. If all workers who want jobs at prevailing wages can find them, and all employers who want workers can find them by offering the prevailing wage, then the market is said to "clear." This isn’t the usual circumstance in the job market, for a long list of reasons. The two pieces are also impure: there are people who want to work, and there are people who need to work. Marginal theory in economics tells us that the first person to give up working, is the person who feels it is no longer worth their trouble; for example, the time and expense of searching for a job. Searching for a job is as expensive as having one, because, well, searching for a job is your job.
The same is true on the other side: businesses give up on hiring when it isn’t worth the trouble to hire the worker.
This means that job demand is influenced not only by need, but by factors such as inflation. High inflation drives people to work who otherwise might not, and stagnation causes people to drop out of working. As someone who has been job hunting for the last few months, I can tell you that the job market is not only bad, but it is loaded with perverse incentives for employers and employees alike. For employers there are two points: one is for inexperienced people who are cheap now but will grow into the role. They need someone long term. The other is for avoiding the learning curve for some urgent need right now. Hence, if one does an analysis of job postings in a variety of areas, and that is what I did, job requirements are either much longer, with exacting lists of skills, or much shorter. Either the employer needs the person yesterday, or they need them next year. Then employers aren’t looking for job seekers, but job switchers.
This is a long introduction to looking at two sets of numbers which came out recently: a preliminary GDP, and July’s employment report. The Administration touted the GDP figures as proof that the stimulus plan is working. However, the internals of these numbers under cuts that assertion. First, Defense has shown itself to be the most efficient GDP use of fiscal policy. This makes a kind of perverse sense: defense demand was new actual demand. Most of the "tax cuts," and much of the "construction spending," as well as a good deal of the UI went to savings directly or indirectly. States didn’t do new construction, they cut construction to preserve tax cuts. So if Obama wants to call his stimulus plan "escalate in Afghanistan," then yes, his fiscal policy is working.
The other part which undercuts Obama is the Unemployment Rate. Remember that unemployment is demand for jobs and demand for workers. People left the work force "in droves," as Forbes magazine observed. If we were seeing stimulus, then people would be entering, not leaving, the workforce. Longterm unemployment would not be creeping up either. Instead, what we are seeing is a deflationary pressure. People are giving up looking for work and getting by on what they have. Which is to say, they aren’t.
So let’s get back around to the relationship between the "downturn" and unemployment. When the unemployment rate stops moving up quickly, it is a good sign that two things have happened. One is that businesses are no longer contracting, and the other is that people are no longer being driven into the job market by inflation. Ergo, from the policymaker’s standpoint, inflation is no longer a risk, and the bleeding has stabilized. It is time for a different policy mix. That’s why UI, not GDP, is the better predictor of when the NBER will declare a downturn over.
But most of us are not policymakers inside Washington DC, or CFOs of companies with large policy exposure. Most of us are job seekers, and for us, there was no good news. Obama was not talking to us about the economy mending, he was talking to investors: "please buy our private debt so we can stop borrowing public debt" is the message he was sending.
For us the more relevant prediction comes from numbers uber-guru Mark Zandi, who sees this as a stabilizing economy; but that the job market, that is what the rest of us live in, won’t recover until next year. The downturn is over for Wall Street, but not for Main Street. The story the numbers tell is this: about two years ago, a real estate bubble popped. The people who were overleveraged in that bubble were the first to get hit; but when they went down, the people who were overleveraged in people who were overleveraged went down harder: the lack of regulation made the system wired like a Christmas tree and ready to explode. Policymakers met this mild beginning of the downturn with an apathetic sort of fiscal stimulus package — too little too late. They met the inflation wave with a botched strong dollar play that ended up taking out even more overleveraged overleveragers. When this happened, the dominoes fell fast and basically the next step was that the world’s rich went on strike. Instead of a depression created by little people doing a run on the bank and striking against poor wages, we had the wealthy do a walk on the banks and go on a buying strike.
The world economy went into free fall. That free fall is conclusively over, and the Administration is talking up the post-free fall economy. They have to, because there isn’t much they are going to actually do about it. The moves by the Obama administration were to cajole the global investing class to come back to the table. By and large they have: we are now back to where we were before the global elites went on strike.
However, even taking out the fiscal crisis, we are staring at a larger downturn than America has seen since 1981-82. That’s right, take out the free fall and this is worse than the last two downturns.
Which gets me to the graph above. What it is, for those who have not seen it before, is the percentage of payrolls lost from the peak of employment, and how long it takes to recover. You can see the deep valley of 1981-82, the hammer blows of the late 1950′s recession and the 1948 recession. You can see this being worse than any single downturn is now all but a done deal.
What is crucial is two things. One is on the chart, you can see how the 1990′s downturn and the 2001 downturn took forever to get out of. If this downturn takes as long, we will never recover from it. Before the jobs return, inflation in resources will force another round of contraction. Oil is at 70 dollars a barrel; we have, roughly, about 50 dollars a barrel of increase before New Economic Geography runs in reverse on the globalized supply chain: business becomes unprofitable to run, production starts to relocalize, and capital is stranded. The other is something that is obscured by this chart: that is economic crises comes in clusters. There have been three consensus changing periods of economic change: the demobilization from World War II, which crested in the 1948 recession. This heralded a period of liberal consensus, which the Republicans attempted to take control of. However, the next crisis was on their watch, the late 1950′s early 1960′s pair of employment downturns. If you want to know why Kennedy was so popular, it is that he really did get America moving again. The last was 1975-1982, a period of 7 years with three recessions, two of them very sharp.
The present downturn is close to over, but the recovery from it is crucial. In most post-War recessions, as you can see, we had a dramatic rebound in hiring. Once the disinflationary pressure was removed, the economy bounced back. However, the last two downturns have been more like depressions than recessions: they were driven by deflation, and hiring took much longer to come back. Insufficient inflationary pressure lengthens the hiring crisis.
The job figures tell us that that pressure, the deflationary one, is still in place. The GDP figures say that the economy is not surging, even though oil prices already are marching upwards. The collision of the two — one says inflate more, drive more money in; the other says pull back, slow down — is the next wave of challenge. It will be longer, more difficult, and more complex. The first six months of Obama’s policy, good and bad, will be swamped by how the more difficult transition of the American economy from being oil consumption constrained to something else is accomplished.



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Hey, Stirling
Heavy stuff, Mon. I’ll read thoroughly later. The headline, though? Poifect.
FunnyWheelieDiva
The term “no recovery recovery” comes to mind.
It seems clear that whatever our economy recovers to, will be a different economy than what we had just 2 years ago. Those talking heads and economists that tout the current move up in the market indexes, and say they indicate a rosy future, should remember that just before this downturn started in late 2007, the markets hit their highs (Dow over 14,000 in October, 2007). Yet by then, the seeds were already sown, for the biggest move down since WWII. I really doubt the markets know what’s coming now, any more than they did 2 years ago.
Like rising seas from global warming, there will be daily ebbs and flows of the tide, but the over all direction is not good.
If anyone thinks that our current economic problems are anywhere close to slowing down, let alone ending, then I’ve got some beach front property to sell you.
This is no cyclical “downturn”, this is a permanent restructuring of our economy from a prosperous, middle-class driven economy, where the mass were once paid well for their work, to a third-world economy with no middle class. And we’ve been heading this direction for over 30 years since “Real Wages” began their slow and steady decline.
We’re in this mess due to this 30+ year war on the price of labor in this country, and the implementation of NAFTA, GATT and subsequent so-called “free trade” deals that have decimated our working class job market.
The problem is simple; low wages, i.e., UNDERemployment. Our corporate owned government has successfully, since NAFTA, eliminated a ‘critical mass’ of good paying jobs for the masses and they’re gone for good. And we’re only just beginning to see the consequences of this fundamental restructuring of our economy.
Without rising wages, nothing can change. Nothing will change, and we’ll continue down this path of economic destruction for years, if not decades to come. And even if the powers that be were talking about taking steps to actually turn this economy around – they aren’t – it would take decades to undo the damage.
This is not an economic “cycle” and comparing our current mess to previous ones is of little value since the very foundation of this economy has been altered. The good paying jobs for the masses – what created the “American Dream” in the first place, are gone. It was those once good paying, working class jobs for the masses that were the fuel of the once greatest consumer market on the planet.
We’re in this mess because nobody can afford to consume goods and services beyond the most basic, if that, and it’s getting worse by the day. The domino effect kicked into high gear by NAFTA, et al, is unstoppable.
You can’t have a strong economy with nothing but minimum wage jobs for the masses. That’s what we’ve now got, and that’s the bottom line.
Wishful thinking won’t do a thing, and the day to day, week to week and month to month fluctuations of Wall Street have nothing to do with it. The only thing the stock market reflects is the daily profits and losses by gamblers.
There is no “recovery” in sight, and logic explains why. In fact, we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg of what’s coming in this country.
Happy talk from the people who got us here, and don’t live on “Main Street”, won’t change the reality before us.
Buckle up, because we’ve got years, if not decades of continuing economic decline ahead of us. Without good paying jobs for the masses, nothing will change. And nobody in power is talking about doing anything about that. To the contrary, they’re continuing with the same old, corporate and wealthy elitist directions that got us here in the first place.
It can only get worse if you understand the simple truth about our economy. It’s not what it used to be, and it won’t be going back either.
Sorry to be OT but it has to be said with the revelations that the Obama administration is punking the American people. It’s time to start thinking about a Democratic challenger in the primaries. Bernie Sanderes comes to mind.
yea there is, if the other guy is unemployed it’s a recession
if you are unemployed it’s a depression!
Oh yea, he’d win for sure.
ust 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
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Jane—-
from the previous thread:
Obama will allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S. Obama will also repeal the ban that prevents the government from negotiating with drug companies, which could result in savings as high as $30 billion.
that is actually still up at mybarack….
http://www.barackobama.com/iss…..mpaign.php
Your cynicism is noted. Some said the same thing when Obama announced. As conditions continue to deteriorate for the “average” American a rising tide of populism could well sweep the land. Why should the neo-fascists with their faux populism be the only party claiming to reprersent the will of the people?
Go get em then.
This is only partly true. What Obama and his economic team did was pump $7 trillion into the financial sector in an attempt to re-inflate a bubble economy. They have failed miserably in housing and goods production. They have managed to create a stock bubble on Wall Street and an oil bubble in the commodities market. The stock bubble has suckered back in big slow movers with performance anxieties like pension funds but that is what a suckers market is for. Most of the investment that is occurring is paper on paper. It has nothing to do with actual wealth creation or goods production.
This being an economic subject I will repost a comment I just made at Naked Capitalism:
I agree. I don’t think what is happening now is really comparable to anything we have seen before. There are aspects of the Great Depression which are similar but there are also dissimilarites too, such as being a creditor nation then, and a debtor nation now.
BERnie! BERnie! BERnie!
Where can I sign up to volunteer and to contribute?
Hugh -your Seminal post on the coming depression disappeared mighty quickly. I don’t know how to find authors/posts for previous Seminal posts. Can you help? This has come up before with other posts, but I particularly wanted to read yours again yesterday.
So let me get this straight, we have a centerist president who has sold out to the corporations and is hammered by the right for being a socialist and you think that a real socialist will get elected in this country? right
I would start here. And Raven apparently thinks there is still a “middle way.” Isn’t that what Clinton thought and Obama has continued?
http://sanders.senate.gov/
Book Salon a couple of flights upstairs with Leigh Stringer’s The Green Workplace hosted by Martin Melaver
Hi, the link for it is:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7011
It partly an expression of being disappointed, angry and frustrated about how Obama is not turning this stinking ship around. I worked hard to get him elected. Having seen him beat the bushes on Capital Hill for the bankers bailout and vote for Fisa, I was not expecting a progressive. I just had no idea how much of the Bush policies he would continue. Additionally, looking at what is being put in the health care “reform” bill and what is being left out and how much the insurance companies look to be making out like the bandits they are, I’m further not happy with him.
I worked hard for him because McCain/Palin was unthinkable, not because I thought Barack would be the great white savior.
And in preemptive answer to your “He’s only been in office 6 months.”, I’ll say that I never expected everything to happen all at once, but when you look at the direction he’s going it’s not looking good to me. As I said, that already started during the campaign, but his appointments for his economic team made it clear that he wasn’t interested in Main Street.
You may not like it, but I am not happy with to whose bidding Obama answers.
And, P.S., I love Bernie Sanders.
thanks, hugh.
Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.
I will simply note that I heard very nearly identical predictions of doom during the early 90s and early 2000s recessions. Why is your prediction more reliable than those?
Well, that’s a “straw man” argument, isn’t it?
You don’t bother to question any specifics of my assertions and conclusions, only say other people have claimed doom and it didn’t happen yet, so why bother to even give critical thought to what I had to say.
A very non-intellectual response to my comments. Not deserving any further response from me.
Grasshopper, Raven is the resident cynic. Be not deterred by those who have lost all hope and energy.
thank you, sweethheart. your care and your comment nourish my heart.
Well we’re getting into deep stuff here. I’ll stick to just one aspect of the post. The very concept ‘unemployment’ is fungible (as good bankers like to say). The data is extensively manipulated & is so unreliable that it’s virtually meaningless for comparison both internationally & over time. A good example is how the payroll data (used to ‘calculate’ the unemployment rate) has drifted in definition. The current measure – U3 – became the base release in the mid-90’s, replacing the broader U6.
The July BLS release (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm) shows this difference directly in table A12 (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm). This contrasts U3 & U6 (seasonally adjusted) between July 08 and July ‘09 (Some data points not noted, A12 defines the difference between U3 & other measures such as U6):
July ‘08
U3: 5.8%; U6: 10.4%
Mar ‘09
U3: 8.5%; U6: 15.6%
Jun ‘09
U3: 9.5%; U6: 16.5%
Jul ‘09 (provisional)
U3: 9.4%; U6: 16.3%
Most economists who have examined the data completely discount U3. Differences between U6 & pre-1948 data are extensive and are usually subject to individual ‘interpretation.’ A ‘gross’ comparison between U6 and Great Depression unemployment saw the latter peak at just under 25% in 1933. Virtually no (reputable) economist even bothers comparing the US U3 measure with any other OECD data over any timeline.
I’m having trouble understanding the July 09 figures, because the reports also indicate that 250000 jobs were lost. I assumed that the U6 figure ticked up, but it is down. How did that happen? Is it an artifact of seasonal adjustments?
The US UI number isn’t meaningless, but it’s meaning is heavily determined by the intent of the number. I did conversions of the A – House hold – tables to the B – Payroll tables – back in the early part of the decade, and correcting for the different universes, and time factors, they come out the same. The catch is that the Household universe and time scale is both more volatile, and measures employment demand, where as the payroll figures measure employment supply.
If you think if the headline figure as “how many people who think they need a full time job but can’t find one no matter what they do, but are still burning resources equivalent to having a job.” That’s a good translation of it.
Other nations, because they have different policy needs, have a different number. The American UI is primarily useful for looking at macro-economic interest rate calls, that is to say, for central bankers. Which is why virtually everyone has shifted their focus to using payroll numbers, and for comparison over time, I use percentages of payrolls, because that corrects for the size of the working population over time. Hence the chart, which shows that we are still shedding large shares of the employment base.
Remember UI is heavily influenced on a month to month basis by job seeking behavior. What the figures say is that about half a million people didn’t even bother to hunt for a job, and have left the labor force entirely, not just become marginally attached.
For comparison purposes, there are fewer jobs now than there were in August of 1999.
What I find so disturbing is all of this focus on “UNemployment” numbers when that’s not the big problem we have. Rather it’s “UNDERemployment”.
If we had full employment (theoretically), but everyone was only earning minimum wage, our economy would still be where it is today, because it’s not the UNemployment, but the UNDERemployment created by lowering wages for the masses in this country.
That’s the problem with this big focus on UNemployment, which is only a part of UNDERemployment. It assumes that if you’re “employed” then you’re doing fine, but that’s clearly not the case now. It might have been 30 years ago when employed working class people were making a not just a living wage but a very good wage, but that’s not the case today. The UNemployment barometer is simply, completely, missing what’s going on here and why our economy is in turmoil.
Today we’ve got people working two or more jobs just to try and keep current on the rent and utilities, let alone buying new cars or television sets.
This is why I see little hope right now, when so many people are just missing the point.
Low wages for the masses is the problem. The result of 30+ years of the war on organized labor in this country, and which NAFTA and subsequent trade policies kicked into high gear.
It’s not the lack of jobs as much as it is the lack of ‘good paying’ jobs.
Corporations with cash are leaving on the table their two best investments because they are so counter-intuitive:
- Paying more taxes earlier
- Hiring people and training them for the next economic upturn and having them figure out how to do it with fewer natural resources or materials or energy
If government can’t do it because everyone is so deficit-nutty, then it’s back on corporations that have cash.
You know, even after the recession “ends” for main street, I’m pretty sure our economy is fundamentally changed. I was a student of Micheal Porter’s protege in business school and he told us on the eve of the Kerry/Bush election that over the next few years we would see a shift in this country(Kerry would have slowed it, but not halted it, mostly because his policies would have been slightly more protectionist). Anyway, he said what we know as the middle class wouldn’t be the same. That the economy was splitting apart. Some would move up, some would move down, but unlike other times in American history when one could move back up, this time the barriers to do so would be near insurmountable. He also said the breakup would be virtually non discriminate. That education wasn’t a guarantee of ending up on the right side of the tracks. Anyway, I think about that all the time with the jobless recovery. Really seems he was right.