Does Nootor use email?

“I will be going to a local town hall this weekend, all you union members BEWARE!” an emailer wrote at 9:40 Saturday morning. “We will be waiting for you. better make sure you have arrangements with your local ER. today is the day when the goon meets the gun. see you there.”

The email was first sent to the media-watching organization Newshounds before being passed to Eddie Vale, a spokesman for the AFL-CIO. The IP address used to post the email was traced back to Georgia.

Some people also believe their television tracks every program they watch and reports it to the government.

We call those people “crackpots”, and usually don’t let them dictate political strategy.

To the masses of sheeple whatever Palin and newt say is the gospel truth. After all, at least Palin-I don’t have any idea about newt, maybe he worships at the foot of the great god ME-is a hard core evangelical xristian, and as everyone knows, they never lie.

He does when it suits his sorry ass.

Now me, I trust in the profit motive of insurance companies.

I got your death panel proof right here …

The problem clearly is that there are people in america who have turned over control of the airways to clowns who believe that Newt Gingrich has anything at all to offer to any thing intellectual.

I swear you can see the twinkle in his eye when he starts talking. He knows he’s fucking lying. I just can’t bear this anymore.

Apparently, in the Christian-like religions practiced by Noot and Palin, there is no prohibition, or even caution, against just flat lying. I guess that’s why they are at the top in the Republic Party.

Thanks goes to Disney and ABC for giving this d0uche a forum

There was a time when you could?

Given a choice between Noot and the ever bland Reid, the networks pick Noot every time, lies or not. The Democrats in the House and Senate lack any spokespeople with even a hint of the charisma necessary to get them on the air.

Yes, because I stupidly assumed they’d get called on it eventually.

Not gonna happen.

You’re asking us to trust turning power over to the government when there clearly are people in America who believe ,[insert anything, anything at all here] including selective standards.

I know that my edit in the quote was the point of the post, but editing that into Gingrich’s quote, which shows that no one could reasonably argue with how 100% absurd his quote is, kind of hammers it home. Don’tchathink?

Fuckin’ morbidly obese prick.

“You’re asking us to trust turning power over to the government “

Yes Newt, just like you ask us to when you talk about how great our military is or how the NSA should have more power to spy on us. . or when you CALL THE DAMN FIRE DEPARTMENT, or when you say we must put more money and power into the war on drugs, or when you say we need more COPS ON THE STREET! They trust the Government just fine to make decisions about Women’s health. . . but when it comes to basic medical care. . OH NO DON’T TWUST THAT WASKLY GWOVERNMENT. . .

I really wish someone would put an end to this “don’t trust the government” meme. They use it for anything they hate and ignore it for everything they like. They trust the government with our lives and our national security. If they trust that much power in the government then they don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to making sure people don’t die when a bad cold turns into phenomena.

This is what they need to say to Newt. . over and over and over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju82qX1DzoM

Goddamn It Gingrich! Read the freaken Bill.

This “Euthanasia” calamity is thanks to YOUR STUPID Legislation for ONE PERSON!!

Remember Terri Schiavo, where Senator Frist did a check-up on her in Florida from the halls of Congress in Washington DC and Frist she should be put on life support for the rest of her life?

Remember GWB flying back from Texas to sign the bill for ONE Person?

THIS legislation allows people to go to a doctor (AND MEDICARE PAYS FOR IT). The doctor can ask the patient if they have created a LIVING WILL that tells the Hospital (And Dumb Republicans like Bill Frist) that they want no artificial life if something bad happens to them (in the near future or long off in the future) and they have to be put on life support for the rest of their UNLIVED LIFE – other than hooked up to a machine with all kinds of tubes!!!

Currently, Medicare would not pay the doctor if he had that type of session asking/recommending you about having a LIVING WILL.

C’mon, this is the great brain of the reptile party.

unless they’re Birfers and other assorted RW loonies, especially if they make millions of dollars a year spewing their crap on the radio.

Teh Stoopid: IOKIYAR

Hi, BT!

FunnyWheelieDiva

I don’t know about “stupidly”, naive or optimistic
maybe.

The networks take in huge amounts of ad revenue from the health care industry, especially Big Pharma. It should come as no surprise that they are providing a platform for the forces working to kill reform.

I think, decades ago, Newt may have tried to give me a free set of encycopedias. They were absolutely free, except that I would have had to pay for the “research service” in full, and it cost what a set of encyclopedias without the service would have cost. No, I guess Newt just reminds me of the guy.

I know, right? he is so full of himself. saw him on s-pan once (I think it was) and they asked him what he wasd reading and he says he was reading… i forget 4 or 5 things at the time and…. who gives a shit, right? Like, I was really impressed. He’s truly a despicable scumbag.

And apparently the provision that would allow Medicare to reimburse the doctor for that consultation (one per 5 yrs) was added by a REPUBLICAN!

Why do I have the feeling they’re sooo much better at 11-teen dimensional chess than any big-D Democrat?

FWDiva

“Some people also believe their television tracks every program they watch and reports it to the government.

We call those people “crackpots”, and usually don’t let them dictate political strategy”

Some people also believe that the NSA tracks all their communications and send it to the data mining operation. Needle meet haystack.

I am glad to be called a creckpot DFH and being a progressive I CANNOT dictate political strategy. *g* /s

Sellin “boner” meds as the great Imus would say.

Why would Gingrich read the bill when he and his neo-fascist allies can merely kill any chance of healthcare reform through demagogery and outright lies. Who’s going to hold them to account? Rich celebrity pundits?

Snake oil for yer crawlin’ kingsnake.

I guess Dick Durbin today said he would consider dropping the public option. Obama isn’t playing 3 dimensional chess. Isn’t even playing checkers.

Hey! Whatchoo got against fat people and weenuses?

FWDiva
can I say I’m Reubenesque and leave it at that?

Known that for a looooooong time. Oh, and Fuck Durbin.

Looks like even the Dems wanted recess–to get cover for dropping even a public option.

Spit!

FWDiva

They could always invite Bernie Sanders.

Is that Hound Dog Taylor? Used to dig him a the Gulch!

(actually I know it’s JLH)

I’m a person of some girth, myself and I was gonna strike that part. I was just in a name callin’ mood. Prick stays. So does scumbag (#23) and I’m adding douche nozzle. This guy………….. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…why the heck do they even have him on anyplace other than FOX.

Noot knows he (and Palin)? willl face little to no scrutiny from the talking heads. So they can say anyhting with no fear of immediate challenge.

well, I got some good name callin’ outta my system. Thanks guys. Gotta go return a lawnmower and do some other chores.

what’s with that? of all the things she’s said, that might have been the most outrageous. one reasonm she won’t get scrutinized is she’s too chicken shit to do inteviews with anybopdy except Greta Facejob.

Hahaha! Ya gotta get over to TBogg’s place and take a few lessons in vituperation from JDM3.

Person of girth…I like that.

Yeah, industrial sized scumbag…Truckstop-grade douche nozzle!

FWDiva

It was a Republican, Susan Collins, who put that language about voluntary end-of-life counseling in the bill, wasn’t it?

Surely the next talking point is that the bill will provide Viagra for sex offenders?

Where to begin?

Here we have an Ex-Speaker of the House of Representatives that who’s political party said put us in the majority and trust us. How many of those promises from the “Contract with America” did Newt and his party follow through with?

Never heard Newt complain of his tax payer socialistic provided health care he enjoyed.

As for Newt attempting to elevate Sarah Palin’s religious hysteria of Gov’t involvement in the health care of her child. Sarah pa;in embraced the health care provided to her as Governor of Alaska. Paid for by taxpayers. How much did Sarah pay of the births of her children? Hmmm?
Who covered the costs, Todd? Is snow mobile racing that lucrative?

Just consider, Sarah Palin’s son that joined the military. Obama is the Commander in Chief. Which means the Government is in health care control of Palin’s son as she speaks. Can a reporter ask former Alaska Gov Palin just a few of these questions?

As for Newt who can only cite or quote material provided by the Insurance companies. consider this, if the health insurance companies can pay and own congressmen to outright lie in their behalf. let alone convincing suseptable minds with their high paid propaganda to promote their agaenda and status quo in spite of ones own interest and moral out look. Then they can deny care to a health plan customer and convince them it is the Gov’t or the illegals and liberals causing it.

Seeing Gov Howard Dean in the media confronting the issues is a promising sign. The corporate media seems to be providing more time to minority issues with Obama as President than the boot licking the media provided of every GW Bush issue.

How can America get its NEWS back? News in the prime main stream for viewership.

Yep, the Doors covered it too.

Your friend Jim was at the counter at Record Swap when I bought some Hound Dog Taylor LPs one day. Hound Dog was playin’ Up Yonder by then but he told me how much he used to enjoy his shows.

Isn’t it nice to know that the IQ in the south will remain below 45 for the rest of the 21st century !! That’s TOTAL IQ points not individual….

I am a psychologist who exclusively provides services in nursing homes. 85% of my clients have Medicare. At least within this geriatric population, the physicians/staff routinely discuss end-of-life alternatives with their patients and patients families. What this legislation does is provide a specific forum to do so such that physicians get reimbursed for what most of them are already doing. Virtually everyone has a living will.
DM

Whew. I’m glad I’m not the only one. Having my life or death decisions made for me by a massive impersonal conglomerate, for which I have even less influence over than I do the course of government, has always brought me soothing peace of mind. I know up front they want to kill me, so I don’t even have to bother to engage.

There are a lot of smart and progressive people living in the South. You shouldn’t condemn an entire region based on your perception of it’s lowest performing individuals.

It’s a Susan “Death Panels” Collins provision.

Make her own it, I say.

He knows he’s fucking lying

Just like Rove. His smirk gives him away every time he lies.

Maybe the dems are waiting for us to show some spunk…

Just like Rove. His smirk gives him away every time he lies.

Actually, I thought it was his lips moving that gave him away everytime he lies.

I am truly up for correction but I have heard that the Health Care bill as proposed now would reflect the treatment that is received at the Veterans Administration clinics and hospitals. As a Veteran, who makes use of these facilities, I can tell you that at no time have I been counseled for end-of-life provisions. On occasion the nurse will ask me if I have a HIPAA(which I do after having a heart attack)and a living will…which I don’t have. The nurse then states that I should talk to a Social Worker for that but it gets all side-tracked and I’ve yet to talk to one. I have been in the system for 21 years. I’ve also been in the Military, ie;government medical care, and the system is the same as the VA’s. Get ‘em in, get’em out. They are swamped, over-loaded and, at every appointment, I have to give them the last four of my Social Security number. That is my ID..they don’t even know my first name until they have to double check it against my Social and that is just a quicky. Most of the appointment time is taken up by the doctor having to imput a lot of information(which is the same each time)into the computer. Out of a 45 minute appointment, thirty minutes are spent waiting for the doctor to work with the computer and fifteen on the exam and discussion of meds. That is how the government-run health care will work. Like I said, the system is swamped and I have had some good doctors in spite of it but they just don’t have time to really do anything.

I had a bad shoulder and from the time I first told my doctor about it it took me almost a year to get it fixed in a 45 minute operation. In the meantime, I had to locate a fee-basis, after months until I finally got authorization, doctor who would perform the operation. Most doctors won’t because they get paid at a lower rate then those who have personal pay, ie, cash or insurance. Not only that, it takes them far longer to be paid by the government.

That is what government health care is like and if that is what you want……

If that is what you want….

Is discontinuing all but comfort-care medications, and letting nature take its course, euthanasia? If so, this is what is done routinely by hospices across the nation. And appropriately so. I don’t hear any hue and cry over this by Republicans.

This is not an easy issue to discuss in the public forum, and neither for families, but it does need to be discussed. When does it no longer make sense to continue life-sustaining procedures/medications? I have had many, cognitively intact, elderly clients wish only for comfort care measures and to be allowed to die in peace, but the physician will not do so because the family is resistant. These are not depressed folk; they have lived their lives, are tired, and they are ready to pass on.

DM

Dang

Couldn’t just let this stand without my own personal experience.

I get all of my healthcare from the VA Medical Center in Martinsburg, WV.

I have a primary care Physician (Dr. Greenspoon) who I call and make appointments with just like any other Docter. I arrive, sign in, and get seen, usually closer to the actual appointment time then what I used to experience in the “real world” with my last three primary care Docs under my last HMO’s.

If my Doc needs other tests or procedures, he simply enters them into the computer, I leave his office, and go get the tests done. All in the same building. Once the tests are completed, they are entered in the computer, and when I return to my primary care Doc it’s all there at his fingertips.

I’ve had two visits to the ER since I’ve been receiving all my care there, and everytime I enter my ENTIRE medical history, along with all prescription medicines I’m currently taking, along with all personal preferences, is already right there in the computer. No family member out in the waiting room filling out forms.

When the Doc prescribes me some medicine, he inputs it into the computer, and I walk over to the pharmacy to pick them up. They have a guaranteed pickup time of within 30 minutes. Better than my mothers at the big chain here in town, where a prescription phoned in in the morning can be only be picked up that afternoon.

I’ve received care for several years “in the real world”, for several years in the military with military care, and now since 1999 in the Martinsburg, VA Medical Center. This VA care is by far, BY FAR, the best, most efficient, most time sensitive, most enjoyable, and by far overall BEST healthcare experience I’ve ever had.

Yes, I do want this for all Americans. After all, they deserve it more than I. I didn’t even serve in a war zone after all.

Any American citizen, injured or sick, deserves whatever care is needed, and without having that care forcing them to suffer economically as well as physicially, just like citizens of every other modern democracy in the world.

I’m not saying you (Lonni) are lying, just saying maybe you were unlucky in your experience and I’ve been lucky in mine. Fact is though, if they can do it this well in Martinsburg, WV, then they can do it this well anywhere and everywhere.

Joe
OldFatGuy

What’s your point? They don’t give end of life counseling or you don’t like it?

Hey Joe

Correct me of I’m wrong but people keep talking about “if you are a vet or over 62″. I’m a Nam Vet with a Korean tour as well. I have a job and health insurance so I’m Category 8, nothing, zip nada, right?

I’ve wondered about that as well. Since I’m 57 a “cold war” vet, unemployed and no insurance. Although I did have a ‘10% disability’ for a few years after my discharge (primarily due to an infected incision from gallbladder surgery right before discharge).

I’ve figured that any coverage I would receive from VA at this point would be at the bottom of the eligibility list.

Well, I’m not sure about nationwide, but the Martinsburg, VA had an outreach program in the late 90’s where they took any vets. Now, it wasn’t “free” for all vets, but they accepted most insurance just like any other med facility (not sure at all if that’s changed either). And a lot of my friends, with good jobs and good insurance from the American Legion joined up, and AFAIK (haven’t been active in the Legion for some years now) are still there, as they too were impressed with the level of care.

Me, I’ve been disabled since 1999, so I fit in under the, I guess basically “indigent vet” category. My disability is less than $1,000 a month, so I qualify for free care. I’m also on Medicare, so I believe Medicare reimburses VA for some stuff. Not sure on the details much, sorry.

Got it. You haven’t seen the new VFW magazine have you? Front page article about Woodstock and how everyone ignored the 179 (I think) troops killed those 4 days. I emailed the editor and asked if there were going to be similar articles about the World Series and Super Bowl that year. The message bounced!

He does enjoy his lying.

Like Kristol

My father had good insurance and from all the fancy ads, billboards, television commercials and infomercials I thought he was in the best (hospital) health care system in East Tennessee. Boy was I duped. His care was called “horrifying” by the state of Tennessee, but said it was perfectly within the parameters of what they deem, defend and support as “the acceptable standards of care” in E. TN. He had a nurse playing doctor who was practicing medicine as a physician without a physician’s license. The man was showing all the signs and symptoms of internal bleeding and was going into shock yet the nurses prognosis was Sundowners Syndrome. They finally had a nursing instructor who teaches at The University of Tennessee who said the reason my father was going into (shock, was sweating profusely, confused, no urine output, blood pressure dropping 55/35, heart rate increasing 255,blood sugar was topping out around 600), it could have been caused by the room temperature being set too high. It’s on record in Greeneville, TN Federal Court. Case no 2:04-cv-375.
See what is called quality health care in TN and VA. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 He rotted to death for ten long months, his legs were amputated. He was begging for a gun, looking back I should have granted him that wish.
note to Mitch McConnell, Sean Hannity and the Lewin Group (aka UnitedHealthCare which is advising the Republican Party). We already have rationed health care in America.

Oldfatguy, I’m not lying and you are right…there are different experiences at different VA hospitals. I’ve had great care at Cincinnati and Miami. However, even at those places I’ve heard horror stories from people who haven’t had. It’s a people thing bottom-line.

Raven, I don’t have any problem in receiving “end-of-life” counseling. When I had my heart attack and was at “instant death” the only thing the doctors were interested in was saving my life not wanting to know how comfortable I’d be while I was dying. So far all of that has come from nurses and social workers though, not doctors, so I’m at a loss as to why the doctors will be paid for giving the counseling.

At any rate, my attitude is that I’m gonna live in spite of what some politicians think….and that just to tick them off! LOL

In response to Oldfatguy (#53) and tmullins (#60),

I wonder if members of Congress continue their great healthcare policies or if they have to go hunting for Insurance like we do? Most likely, the 1st option since most of them stay in DC and become Lobbyists for the same companies that screw us on a daily basis

Newt doesn’t have to prove anything. He just has to sound like he might know what he’s talking about. That’s the game here: Keep the fear alive.

Every time the GOP says Euthanasia we need to say Living Will about what to do if you are left a brain dead like Newt.

It wasn’t exactly that the Pentagon was happy about the death counts being made public, either. Recall that everybody from Agnew to Westmoreland blamed the media for bringing US casualties “home” by the counts, images of flag-draped coffins arriving stateside, and stories about the personal “costs of war”. That’s why Bush managed all of this stuff with the MSM, so that only now are we learning about the heavy psychological damage Iraki Vets are confronting.

Why doesn’t any point out that Newt Gingerich’s sole personal experience with an end-of-life patient was with his wife dying of terminal cancer. He handed her divorce papers on her deathbed, all while having an affair with an intern. Did he think about what she might have thought this would do to her health-care coverage? Did he really expect her to be able to handle a court fight over property and benefits while she was hospitalized? Newt Gingerich is scum .Y ou really think that this guy is at all concerned about the well-being and personal choices of those at the end of their lives. I bet he was trying to manipulate her to a more rapid death by bringing a whole truckload of stress down on her shoulders.

Correction…Newtie was having his affair with a campaign aide…not an intern.

And his wife DID sue Newt for not paying bills and other expenses, and received judgment from this slimy amphibian in court.