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The Green Workplace: Sustainable Strategies That Benefit Employees, The Environment, and The Bottom Line, by Leigh Stringer
While the books on business and sustainability have mushroomed into a cottage industry, there’s just a handful of writings that elegantly weave a book’s theme or thesis into the very fabric of the writing itself. Leigh Stringer’s The Green Workplace fits well into this small club.
The evolution of The Green Workplace is a story in and of itself. Beginning as a blog site written by a small group of contributors (www.TheGreenWorkplace.com), the blog quickly took on a life of its own, with a growing list of topics, research, Web 2.0 style pooling and refinement of information taken on by the public at large (see p. 127 for a synopsis of this process). The result is a book whose very DNA is sustainability, epitomizing:
- A paradigm change in terms of how a traditional basis (book publishing) is practiced.
- Creating a new type of publishing organization with a broad group of disparate stakeholders.
- Recruiting into the fold numerous passionate, knowledgeable “greeniacs” all putting there various curiosities to work.
- Leveraging a new technology to do more collaborative work utilizing fewer resources.
- Greening the operation through a largely paperless and low-carbon set of practices
- Being transformative in the way the overall product is designed and produced.
- Changing the whole notion of where, when, and how one works.
The elegance of this process? It’s precisely the very argument Stringer makes in her book, argument by demonstration. The overall structure of The Green WorkPlace is a series of chapters that starts out mapping the need for changing how business works and then walks the reader through creating a green agenda, promoting green behavior internally, recruiting additional green talent, leveraging technology, and greening operations. At the end of the day (and the book), we find ourselves lock and step with Stringer as she brings us into the green workplace of the future, an idea-based economy that has replaced linear thinking with multivalent, systemic design thinking, where work happens everywhere, where investment in local economies is pervasive, and where green thinking is de rigeur.
But what makes The Green WorkPlace compelling is not just its marriage of medium to message. It’s in the real world examples Stringer is able to draw upon from her work as one of the leaders of HOK’s Advance Strategies consulting practice, which provides the architectural firms’ clients with pre-design strategies that help enhance financial performance while reducing environmental impacts. Some of the more striking examples:
- Google’s conversion of its headquarters to run partly on solar, providing 30% of its buildings power.
- Burt’s Bees program to recycle all company waste and to pay half of each employee’s cost of achieving carbon neutrality at home.
- NRG Systems (wind-measurement device maker) creating company-wide incentives to employees to be more efficient and use alternative energies.
- Sprint’s use of digital technology to create employee productivity savings of $40 million annually.
- Use of virtual 3D worlds (Second Life, Kaneva, Entropia Universe) to shorten learning curves and introduce new products in a low-risk environment.
- Use of Building Information Modelling (BIM) to link building design to project information/performance.
- Enwave Energy Corporation developing a deep lake water cooling system, using cold water to provide HVAC to high-rises in Toronto.
- Xerox’s creation of an imaging process where the prints last a day, enabling the paper to be reused.
- Development of an office building in Harare, that mimics the design of a termite mound to super-efficiently regulate interior temperatures.
To make some of these cutting-edge practices more accessible to the general public, each chapter concludes with hit list of action steps most companies can adopt at short notice.
From the perspective of someone who runs his own small sustainably-focused business, my feeling is that there is something in The Green WorkPlace for virtually everyone: the HR person looking to recruit, the marketing person wondering what to do about greenwash, the IT expert looking to help reduce operational expenses, the passionate newbie looking to assist with change management in a larger organization, the battle-scarred veteran wondering how to find opportunities in this sand-shifting world we find ourselves in.
This book leaves me wanting to buttonhole our author with a barrage of questions: What does change management look like in the context of the big, multinational companies she works with; What are the biggest obstacles getting in the way of change; Does it matter what a company’s motivations are in making the move toward green; What key drivers would help accelerate the workplace of the future she envisions; What does HOK look like when you roll back the curtains and view it from the inside; What are some of the key things that need to happen for us to dramatically reduce our carbon footprint . . . and should we look to business (or government) to play the key leadership role here.
Fortunately, we have two hours with Leigh Stringer during which we can address these and a host of other issues.



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Leigh, Welcome to the Lake.
Martin, Thank you for Hosting today’s Book Salon.
Thanks Martin! Great introduction.
Thanks Beverly! I’m thrilled to be here.
Great to have you join us Leigh. Very much enjoyed the book
Leigh, I know we will want to jump in to the details of your book. But before doing so, how about a bit of background on you. Where’d you grow up, how did you come to work for HOK, tell us about your own journey toward sustainability, what you think the major drivers were, etc.
Welcome to the Lake Leigh and Martin
OK I’m ready… :)
Let’s start with some basics on Leigh, her own journey and how she got to be doing what she is doing. Leigh?
Martin -
I’d love to answer your first question…
What does change management look like in the context of the big, multinational companies she works with?
Large multinationals often approach sustainability with a multipronged approach. At the high level, they have broad policies to affect change, at the regional or business level, they get into tactics. At the grassroots level, well… they let ideas grow spontaneously, but try and coordinate team as they emerge. The idea is to connect all of the parts with an organizational and operational structure that makes sense.
Leigh: What do you find these companies’ expectations are regarding HOK and you?
Good afternoon Leigh and Martin.
Leigh, I have not had an opportunity to read your book but I guess I’m curious as to how you get folks to go along with going green if they are global warming deniers or they don’t see how the individual impacts the environment?
I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama. I have an MBA and a Masters in Architecture at Washington University in St. Louis and went to work for several architecture firms before joining HOK. HOK is all about sustainability… and I guess some of it “took.” Al Gore’s movie helped too.
Piggy-backing on this last post, Leigh: I would guess you and your group would need to be greeniacs as you call them but well grounded pragmatists to address the skeptics out there. How do you manage that?
If a company is hiring HOK, they expect us to build a beautiful building and they would like it to be on time and under budget. Only now are they asking if it should be green.
If they are hiring me specifically, its becuase they haven’t decided if they need a new building or if they can do more with what they have… that’s where some really green decision making comes into play.
So can you tell us how you leverage your group to be agents of change? Where are the easy green decisions for some of your clients and where is the going a bit tougher?
I love skeptics. Sometimes we get a little overzealous as greeniacs and can’t see the forest for the trees. Skeptics, in my view, don’t disagree that the environment needs help, they just are skeptical that it is the ONLY issue… and it’s not. We’ve got lots of problems to solve and its all about prioritizing.
Can you give us an example — from your book perhaps — of where you were able to leverage initial skepticism to open up some green opportunities?
To be agents of change, we have to focus on things that save money, and have a high environmental impact. And we have to MEASURE everything. Seriously, most companies have no idea what their carbon footprint is to begin with. How can you make informed decisions off a guess?
When I measured my own footprint a few years ago, I was shocked at how much carbon I blew flying everywhere. Didn’t matter how much I turned off my AC, the big impact was flying. So I stared using video and teleconferencing more.
Same thing on a bigger scale with our clients.
Leigh, I don’t want to hog the q and a with you and want to invite some of our participants to join in here. To fill in some of the quiet between typers I did want to ask you the extent to which you are getting strong traction from various clients — and what the compelling sales points are for them
For instance, I know from my own small company that 3rd party measurement is absolutely critical as you say — but devoting resources to this can seem daunting to some. Thoughts here?
One financial company we worked with was not necessarily skeptical, but they didn’t exactly embrace green. Their whole mantra around sustainability was “not to break any laws.” We methodically went through their operations and looked at all of the recent actions they had taken to either 1) not break laws or 2) save money. It turns out they had reduced their carbon impact greater than almost any other company in North America. We just needed to shine a light on the many projects happening all over the business that were green and show them how they were turning VERY green and didn’t even know it.
After that, they embraced it and started getting agressive in their measurements and published some really powerful statements in their corporate sustianability reports.
If it doesn’t give away too much of the book, can you tell us some of the simpler things we can do at home “to go green” as well as some of the simpler things we can do on the job?
(There have been times I wished my employers had purchased video teleconferencing when forced into long term travel)
You don’t have to hire third party measuremennt organizations to get started. Hire interns! Seriously, many of the young people in organizations will practically volunteer to start measuring things on their own time (our Chicago office staff agreed to measure our recycled trash loads, bless them).
Also, start with a few things that know you can measure easily. Don’t try and change everything all at once. It won’t stick, you’ll get overwhelmed and likely give up. Meausre things like paper purchase (or use), number of trips taken, number of coffee cups purchased (hopefully none!), simple things like that. Celebrate your improvements, then take on a few more things.
Leigh: can you help out our participant asking about simpler things we can do at home and work? I know each of your chapters concludes with a hit list of suggestions.
Is there any co-relation between companies wanting to go green and measuring their usage and municipalities that make it easy for re-cycling?
I’ll be intirgued by Leigh’s answer here. My own experience is that it sure doesn’t hurt to be a sustainably oriented developer and working in a municipality that has progressive codes or at least a staff open to change. Leigh?
Wow… simple things to go green. I’m proud to say this book is FULL of them – we had so many companies give us just outstanding ideas. Here are a few.
1. Turn off your PC and all of those electronics you use at night. Put them on a powerstrip so you only have to turn off one thing or put them on a powerstrip on a timer. If you’re like me, I’m racing out the door at 6 to pick up my child from daycare and turning off the computer is the last thing on my mind.
2. Turn off the overhead lights and use task lights. Overhead lights heat up and illuminate a whole room, task lights (or reading lights) only have to light up the surface of your desk. MUCH less energy… esp. if bulb is an LED or flourescent. Better yet, open the blinds and use natural light (if the glare isn’t too bad).
3. Turn off office equipment (like photocopiers) at night.
4. Get a carbon calculator web app on your iphone.
5. Measure you water footprint. That’s right, how much water you use, not carbon. Water footprints calculate how much water you use every day that is embedded in the products you buy and food you eat. Beef is incredibly high for example, a cup of coffee, not so much. Many companies are really into this, especially in areas of the world where fresh, accessible clean water is running low.
Leigh, welcome to The Lake!
As one born in St. Louis, I’ve been aware of HOK for quite a while (I’m now in KC). Good to see a local firm grow up!
Anyway . . . a question.
A number of your projects are not simply you and the client, but involve you, the client, and some public entity. Some are of such a scale that you are by necessity drawn into a lot of political conversations, from zoning board issues all the way up to state legislative battles over tax breaks for a new stadium complex.
When it comes to the political end of your work, what are the biggest hurdles you face in getting them to buy in to green design, and how do you help everyone get past them?
Leigh, we’ve talked about carbon, energy, and water. That’s top of mind I think for most people. As I’m sure you know, the top env issues out there also include: loss of biodiversity, toxic chemical use, despoliation of soils (and desertification), ozone depletion, marine life disturbance, deforestation. Which of these seem to be high up on the agendas of companies you work with and which seem to be non-starters?
Let’s stay with Peter’s question
There is absolutley a correlation between the volume of organizations going green and the local green amenities (and tax credits) available to them. Companies prefer that green strategeis are 1) easy and 2) save them money. The fact that municipal recycling is nearby means that the city is probably promoting it and it’s cheaper.
That said, I did work with a tiny company in Orlando that was really struggling to recycle because their city did not pick up in their area. A few calls to private companies in the area led us to a company that will pick up the recycling for free because they were selling it to secondary markets. Just becasue you are “remote” or in a city that is a little behind the 8-ball doesn’t mean you don’t have choices to do the right thing.
Before moving to back to Missouri a couple of years ago, I lived in the San Francisco Bay area for a dozen years. Two major public buildings in Golden Gate Park — the DeYoung Museum and the California Academy of Sciences — have just gotten huge makeovers. The decision to undertake the projects was driven by seismic concerns, but after the decision was made to rebuild, green issues took over.
I saw the new DeYoung before I moved, but the California Academy of Sciences was not yet open (it is now). Have you seen these, and what do you think?
My own take is that they both are incredible and inspiring examples of what is possible under the rubric of “green construction.”
I’d like to piggyback on Peter’s question, since it raises a larger issue of branding. Leigh, when the first books on sustainability and business came out, one of the advantages being promoted had to do with the notion that being green enhanced one’s brand equity. With sustainability becoming more and more mainstream, is this now passé? Or do you find this opportunity to inspire through green practices still on the table?
Love to hear from St. Louis. Go cards!
The biggest hurdles are the same hurdles there are for just about every job: time and money. HOK just finished the first green stadium ever built in Washington, DC. We did it in less time than any U.S. stadium has ever been built and for less money. It was brutal… seriously, lots of blood shed and the contractor beat us down at every opportunity. We had great city leadership that made it happen along with a pistol of a PM that never let anything slide.
I think that project was unusual, but a need to be meticulous is crucial. Also having all the key players involved early on. Sounds simple, but doesn’t always happen.
How was any of this different, if at all, because of the green construction?
For instance, did you get more grief from the building code people because you were doing new/unusual things that they were not accustomed to dealing with? In getting through the zoning and permitting process, did you have more local people getting on board with you because of the green aspect, or was that an additional hurdle to get over?
Regarding the question about loss of biodiversity, toxic chemical use, despoliation of soils (and desertification), ozone depletion, marine life disturbance, deforestation…
Most of my clients care about these things in the abstract, but unless there is legislation keeping them from doing something harmful, it does not hit their radar screen. It come from a larger economic view in our free market system. Traditional economics says that the earth is there to feed it and keep it running; ecological economics (a growing field of interest) believes that business sits in a larger ecosystem and a small subset of the environment.
Not to get to go to crazy on econ, but most companies believe that they will have natural resources forever. Simply not true. Smart companies are doing something about this and reusing their waste, removing toxins from the air and water they use, etc.
Leigh: I’m afraid we’ve been inundating you with questions. We’ll give you some time to pick up some threads: some hanging questions: dealing with local (or not so local) politics and the effect on your work with clients, opportunities for inspiring and branding,
Being green is WAY overplayed in the media. Being the “first” LEED platimum building or the first truly sustainable product is likey to gain attention, but not as much as it used to. Part of this is because we’ve heard it way too much and part of it is because legislation is requiring more attention to green issues and it truly is becoming mainstream.
For example, in Washington DC where I live the mayor has declared that all renovations or new construction 50,000 SF or greater will be LEED Silver. I’m not sure any of his staff even knew what that meant at the time, but they have gotten wise pretty quickly (as have all architects, engineers, contractors and developers). In just a year, the cost of building LEED building has become negligable. And the market is demanding it. It’s not special, it’s expected.
Leigh, Martin, How has the economic / financial crisis of the last year been reflected in the environmental movement from your prospective? Is there money now coming into the projects? Are companies just “putting off” projects until…. a new technology comes along?
Leigh, in your final chapter on the workplace of the future, you see a work environment where green paractices are mainstream. Sounds as though you are suggesting that things are moving quickly to this point?
Hello, Martin and Leigh. Jim Hartzfeld here from InterfaceRAISE. just got in from a storm that kept us on the water off Pensicola, FL longer than expected. There’s several threads worth digging into here. I’ll just start by supporting your last thought around business and their assumptions. Many of these assumptions come straight from school. As a Mizzou trained Chemical Engineer, I learned to assume that quality raw materials were available and that only their cost would fluctuate based on supply and demand. It becomes an insidious mindset.
Bev: I’d be intrigued on Leigh’s take here since her perspective touches on so many more clients. From my own perspective running a small company that made a commitment a long time ago to sustainable values, we find we are fielding more calls for work than ever before. Having said that, this is a financial crisis we are going through — and so the cash, both debt and equity side for all projects is very scarce. Having said that, by focusing on what society truly needs (eg green affordable housing), we are finding we are right where we need to be — financially, philosophically, socially, enviornmentally, ethically
keep going with that Jim. Where are the major obstacles to instituting change? Where do you find the most traction? Wondering if InterfaceRaise’s experiences dovetails with Leigh’s and HOK’s
I’m really intrigued by what you write in the book about “green recruiting” (Chapter 6). “When hiring top talent — particularly younger talent — a company’s approach to sustainability and the environment can either be a powerful lure for wooing such talent, or the unintended repellent that pushes them somewhere else.”
Can you say more about this?
Some of it seems intuitive — given a choice between working in a dingy basement under florescent tube lights with a poor air handling system or working in a warm space that uses natural light, it’s easy to see which would attract more recruits. But I’m curious about the deeper aspects of your comment.
It strikes me that a company that has made a commitment to greening itself is a company that is forward looking, a company that is connected in some fashion with the world beyond its walls, and is a company that is looking at itself and asking “how can we do better?” — not just in terms of greening, but as a more pervasive corporate mindset.
Leigh, I agree being first is not as good as it used to be. Interface received great press about its CI Platinum showroom in Atlanta and CI Gold in Shanghai. While it doesn’t help that much to be first any more, some of my client are feeling that the negative fallout of being the last to adopt these ideas in their industry is growing.
Most of our projects are highly political issues abound. The city of Washington DC was shortly going to require that all facilities of a certain size be LEED certified, so in the case of the stadium, the code officials were pretty willing to work with us.
One of the things we have noticed in DC, which is happily changing, is that city agencies were not integrated around their green story. At the time the stadium was built, there were no specific processes in place for approvals, etc. These agencies were sympathetic, but we were having to make things up (and document well) as we went along.
Our toughest battle for greening the stadium was our contactor. It was a design build contract, which means we (the architect) worked for them, so any changes we suggested were CHANGE ORDERS. Because this LEED thing (particularly for this building type) was so new for folks, we had to drive hard for LEED points at every meeting and beat people up to get things done.
Normally our projects are not nearly so bloody! I don’t want to scare anyone… suffice it to say that going green requires lots of education. Most people involed with building a building or renovating one are doing if for the first time (these things are expensive!) so we’re used to educating clients about the process. What is new for green construction that we’re educating EVERYONE on the team in many cases. Even ourselves.
Sorry, my refresh is a bit slow as you can tell. I agree with a lot that Leigh has said in this salon. Metrics are huge. Education is powerful when combined with simple acts and feedback. Recognizing the culture interactions with technology and strategy can become a powerful positive feedback loop (virtuous cycle) rather than the huge barrier to change that it can become.
Companies are not building new buildings right now (at least not nearly at the pace they were a few years ago). They are also changing their organizations to reflect a new economey – lots of layoffs, reorgs, etc. So even if they did decide to build a building, it might be the wrong size!
What companies are doing (and what this slowdown has brought us) is a chance to reflect and to look at changing operations, technology and behavior. These things are much easier and faster to change than a building, and they are (debatably) a more long lasting and effective change. Doing more with what you have is the name of the game.
So Leigh, if you were to highlight several things in your book that you still feel you need to put in front of your colleagues at HOK, what would they be?
Yeah… never good to be last. Means you’re not watching the ball and is reflective of larger issues in my view.
Leigh, this comment about doing more with less raises to my mind one of the biggest issues out there: consumption/growth and the extent to which it is compatible with a sustainable revolution. Do you find this a hot topic among some of your clients? What’s your own take on this?
I’m a pastor, and I’ve had similar experiences with church-related projects, having to explain not green issues but religious issues to the contractor, architect, and/or city officials.
Good folks, all of them — but helping them shift gears from what they are accustomed to doing was work for everyone involved.
Wow… would I love to think that this book becomes obsolete in a couple of years. Sadly, I doubt it. We are so set in our ways that “work must happen in the office” – it doesn’t now, but many managers are just insistant that they must see their employees in order to manage them well. In some cases, this is true, but for most knowledge work, it can be done in less space with less commuting.
On the question, and Martins response from Bev, the financial crisis is changing the landscape on many issues. First, only the companies that see the strategic implications of sustainability are continuing to invest. Those that were following the green hype are out of the game, unless their a Wal-Mart supplier (then I guess it’s pretty strategic). I think that as the economy is restructured, those that see the reality of a fundamentally different economy, ie environmental/social opportunity/challenge, will really begin to pull away from those companies with their heads in the sand.
The other BIG change is that people are beginning to see the patterns and interactions between the different areas of crisis: finance, energy, ecology, social recession, health care, education, etc. These connections are causing people to look for new solutions not just how fast can we get the old system running again.
Ray Anderson, whom you mention in your book Leigh (and who sits on my board and who is Jim’s boss/mentor) once challenged our company to find a way to be profitable precisely by not building. It’s become something of a vision for us. Do you see that in your crystal ball regarding developing, construction, and the workplace?
I can see a thread running from Jim’s comment to Ray Anderson’s comment to Leigh’s “futuristic” view of the workplace: a paradigm change in the way that work itself is viewed. Leigh, thoughts on this?
Regarding HOK, we have done many amazing things for our clients and in changing our own work, but we still have much to learn. I guess I like working there because we know we are no-where close to sustainable, but we’re not afraid to keep trying.
A couple of things we’re doing well:
1. Using BIM on all of our projects to save costs and create incredibly efficient buildings.
2. Partnering with the Biomimicry Guild to create better planning, buildings and products.
Things we need to work on:
1. Working in 100% super green buildings
2. Traveling less (we’re getting better, but we still burn lots of carbs)
3. Training for our support staff on how to be green, not just our designers.
Martin, at a couple of USGBC board meetings, probably after a few adult beverages, we mused how to LEED certify a building that was NOT built — a nega-building. We never came up with a way of certifying the best use of sustainable design. For materials, LEED advantages recycled content but not using intelligence (good design) as a substitute for material (dematerialization).
And your thoughts on Jim’s comment about a paradigm shift by which business seems to be more focused on systemic thinking across major social and environmental issues? Do you see things at HOK that echo Jim’s comment?
In America we are all about consumption. Seriously, it’s so part of who we are that it’s difficult for us to even imagine NOT buying something when there is a need. But truthfully, we must stop buying so much crap. It’s not making us happy (really) and not necessarily helping our economy. Companies that can provide services, rather than products to solve a problem are really the definers of a sustainable future economy in my view.
Jim, that’s your cue to talk about Interface ;).
(i could use one of those adult beverages about now)
Yes, yes and yes. Don’t build a building, work with what you have and think about how your people can work from home, or a public library, or a coffee shop. Dont’ buy more paper, learn to work with documents electronically. Don’t use more water, produce it with less… and on and on.
Couldn’t agree more.
People tell me that such a “negative” message is hard to pitch. In fact, Leigh, that’s one of the intro points of your book: to avoid some of the gloom and doom and give a wonderful upbeat message about what is possible. So, how do you deliver that message (and Jim, you can jump on this too)
Funny you should say this. Kevin Kampschorer, Director of High Performance Buildings at the General Services Administration, was discussing just this. How can we incentivize the GSA (or companies) to use fewer resources, not more (even if those resources are greener).
That is a question that no one is addressing in my view. We need a sexy marketing or PR agency to help with this one.
Yikes Leigh! that last post could take us in a bunch of directions. Yes, at Interface we have explored dozens of routes to moving away from more stuff. Specifically with carpet, anyone remember when a carpet had to have at least 28 ounces/square yard of nylon to be good? Yes, I sold nylon to Interface before joining. It was in my interest to convince HOK that carpet really needed 35 or 40 ounces. I wanted to sell more nylon. Today, Interface has some products that are as low as around 14 ounces and remain looking good as long as anything we make. We continue to explore leasing of carpet. Removing processes to save energy, etc. Most of these experiments ended up making better carpet.
Cap-and-trade legislation is certainly one driver (perhaps) of encouraging reduced consumption. Leigh: can you see other pieces of legislation coming down the pike or needing to be passed that would help accelerate the green workplace?
Businesses with great leaders think about systems. Busineses with average leaders think that the economy will come back (if the Dow just gets a little higher) and they can go back to the way thing were a year or so ago.
Longer and broader views are required for success. At HOK, we have created an Idea Board, and a structure of innovation that is slowly transforming how we view ourselves and what we are selling. We are trying to redefine what it means to be a design firm… not an easy task or one that will happen overnight, but we’re committed to it.
and Jim: I’m sure you have your hitlist of desired legislative reforms that would move us in a more sustainable direction
Leigh (and Jim): do you see other companies creating a governance structure with such an Idea Board, doing systems-thinking or scenario planning (other than the obvious Royal Dutch Shell)
The positives of living and working in a sustainable way are incredibly positive in my view. Less stuff to worry about, more focus on good local food and relationships with local service providers, more time with my family.
It’s an easy sell, but there’s only one way to sell it… “one mind at a time.”
Boy, you sound like Ray Anderson with that comment.
So, a personal Q: You mention in the preface to your book that you dream of a future in which you travel less, see family more, exercise regularly, eat better, and work fewer hours. Admirable stuff. I’m guessing that most of us would agree with those goals. Is it simply a general dream or do you have specific goals in mind with a specific timetable?
Doom and gloom can only take you so far. Sierra Club and Greenpeace have helped send a wakeup call that is being answered. Now what to do? Invent! One of Ray Anderson’s mantras is that there is ALWAYS a better way. You need to think deeper (at systems), collaborate harder (the good folks hanging out together) and set the bar higher. Even when naming Interface’s consulting arm, InterfaceRAISE, we tried to explicitly communicate that our approach is to RAISE the bar, expectations, hope, profits, etc.
OK, so if we’re talking legislation, there are incredible things happening at the federal, state and local level. Federal level includes of course cap and trade, CAFE standards, energy efficiency standards for all federal buildlings. At the state level, there are a number of states, like NJ for example, offering tax credits for investments in solar infrastructure for example. Taxes are pretty strong pull for many companies.
Cities, however, have the strongest effect in my view because they act as small ecosystems in themselves. Mayors, with one swish of the pen, can require recycling or green roofs or charge fees for driving into dense urban areas (City of London) and everybody is affected and change happens quickly.
Leigh: in your view, do you think some of the major changes we are likely to see over the next 5-10 years are going to come from change agents such as you and Jim promoting changes to the workplace? Or are they likely to be driven by governmental legislation? Or is the either-or frame wrong?
Legislation? and policy. We have to get the prices right (taxes, subsidies, etc). We have to get the metrics right – GDP is a lousy measure of progress. We have to think really hard about what is necessary to provide for the “common good” and how that supports all. (hint: healthcare policy, energy policy, education)
Simply speaking, carbon cap and trade is a market mechanism that should help reduce the overall cost of transitioning to a low carbon economy. Actually, big carbon taxes at the source would be more effective creating less economic drag (non value creating overhead), but seem to be politically impossible.
Yes, and this coming from a Republican.
As we come to the end of this Book Salon,
Leigh, Thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon discussing your new book and how to achieve green workplaces.
Martin, Thank you very much for Hosting this great Book Salon.
Everyone, this book is an easy read and great reference, if you haven’t bought Leigh’s book yet, here is a link.
Thanks all.
I don’t have a specific time table. Though I should. And I should have some specific measures as well.
I do know that when I’m going 90 miles to nothing, I’m exhausted, grumpy and my friends and family let me know. When I’m rested, I’m more creative and make better decisions. Hmmm… surely this is better for the company I work for?
Bev: Thanks for putting this on.
Leigh: a great add to my canon
Jim: Great to have the InterfaceRaise voice in the mix
Change to a sustainable world requires everything. Legislation, strong leadership, grassroots efforts, pressure from the media, pressure from the economy and on and on.
The kinds of changes we’re discussing will take everything we have… to save everything we love.
Thanks Martin for your great questions. Jim, look forward to seeing you soon.
As we are wrapping up, I want to add something about the power of the workplace. Good space naturally enables an organization to be more effective and efficient. It also has the power to help change our view of the world. As Leigh mentioned, I am a huge believer of “One Mind at a Time.” The work place does have an effect on each of us. Historically, that effect has not been very positive. Good design, good intention, good products and damn good people have an effect on everyone they touch. Get out and touch someone. Be bold, laugh loud, and build a building, company, neighborhood, etc that we would dream of for our kids.
wonderful two final comments.
thanks you both
Thanks so much, both of you. Great pleasure to follow along :)
Thanks Bev.