Mornin’ Attaturk, Pups.

As for the picture caption: Glennzilla is all over this one, too. Loooong list of scolds of that one MoveOn member. He’s promising to contact every one of them and ask whether/when they will be just as indignant with Rush, et al. I’m sure he’ll get crickets, but good on him for the exercise in accountability and exposing double-standards.

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Have not yet read Greenwald today, but always happy when he and I are on the same wavelength. Makes me feel smarter — might not have the same impact on him ;-)

Watch as Rick Sanchez of CNN rips the individual behind the Swiftboating of Town Hall Meetings:

http://bigdanblogger.blogspot……-2009.html

Give kudos to Sanchez, and any other mainstream media talking head who actually does their job.

Morin Joe says “this seems to be spontaneous”. Then he says, “people don’t come out to stuff like this spontaneously, there is real anger there”.

Pat Buchanan “It’s the great middle class rising up”.

I expected an uprising from the youth as that is where this
kind of uprising comes from. I did not expect it from older
middle class.
This is the beginning of a revolution as government tries to
take over and redistribute wealth.
Remember our dna comes from revolutionaries from the american
revelution scary times ahead

Tampa is “the center of America”.

What bullshit.

Seems joe keeps bringing pat on the show because he is every bit the revolting piece of shit joe is.

Good morning all and thanks for the post, Attaturk.

Going to work this morning for the first full week in over 2 months. Hooray!

This is the beginning of a revolution as government tries to
take over and redistribute wealth.

Your fucking kidding right? Right?

Oh, you must be refering to some of the $13,000.00 I pay a year for medical insurance that won’t pay for an office visit (you know, actual health care) staying in my pocket. That kind of “redistribute wealth”? Or maybe your suggesting that my insurance provider will match my 20% paycut with an inkind reduction in premiums? That kind of “redistribute wealth”?

Didn’t think so.

These jerks haven’t the capacity for rational thought. They are the product of having their head stuffed with jargons and they have no education or nor experience with anything but idiocy their whole lives. They are truly sheep and the model of religion that they think is the answer exemplifies this lack of rational thought in favor of dictates from “on high” which is supposed to be the truth.

It’s impossible for most of these people to actually change. They are seriously broken. They can’t be reasoned with, because reason is outside their intellectual capacity. And they are led by intelligent and intellectually dishonest people who are in the game for wealth and power – the Rushs, Billos, Hanity and their pawns in congress.

They have shoved the idea that the private sector is the only way to make things. make new things, make them better and it works because people can get rich doing that. it’s admitted that greed is the motivator. But the results don’t show that self interest produces “better”. In fact it shows the reverse. Look at the highest paid most profitable industries and their captains. They trashed the economy, they ruined the medical industry, the pharma industry, energy, the media, entertainment, education. Every place where for profit rules we see industries which do nothing but make a few very rich.

Capitalism HAS largely failed us – labor. The us that is not making out well under it – and that 98% of us. The 2% are making out great, poisoning the minds of the others, our environment, and leaving death and destruction wherever they go… all the make money.

Capitalism has succeeded for capital and lied to the ignorant that they too can be in the winning class. Marry it, steal it, be born there, whatever it takes to not work and live off the sweat of others.

Only when capitalism collapses can there be justice, equity for all. But it could lead to worse – fascism or totalitarianism. We are coming to the fork in the road. Capitalists won’t go without a fight.

Obama knows all this. He thinks he can “save” and correct a system gone off course. But the system is fatally flawed and it is going where it always will. It’s like putting a gorilla in a zoo. It doesn’t belong there. Capitalism does not belong here and we have seen many times it bust out and create havoc.

Good morning, pups. A splendid day — I’ve got the day off and Bobo is on vacation. Prof. Krugman looks at “The Town Hall Mob” and says a close look at recent protesters indicates that cynical political operators are exploiting cultural and racial anxiety in the health care reform debate.

Here he is.

The coffee and tea are ready, the cold drinks are in the fridge for later, and I’ve got waffles with warm maple syrup. I seem to sniff something that usually lives under bridges, but this one at least has humor going for it. It may not have meant to be funny, but I snickered… Have a good day.

Good job, Turk.

Millions of people “hoped”, if nothing else, the tenor of politics would be improved only to find that racist, bigoted messages and implications to violence are more prevalent and more tolerated.

Yeah. Yeah. Man. And the efforts on the part of MSM to point this out are either non-existent or woefully ineffectual. Witness the line which has gotten some traction on the subject of the birthers: “Well, the left has its nutjobs, too.” God. The MSM does crap. This is really politics as usual for the right and the Republicans. Nobody can say its a whacko fringe. The GOP is the party of the whacko fringe and it is encouraging the mobs and watching them with glee. Why aren’t these teabaggers given the same treatment as (the far more entertaining) Code Pink and just thrown the hell out of these events. They lie and they know it and they just don’t give a shit. Because obviously, this has nothing to do with healthcare. It’s about Obama. I didn’t appreciate until now just how ugly and visceral the reaction he has produced in these freaks. And it’s scary.

Remember our dna comes from revolutionaries from the american
revelution scary times ahead

The American Revelution.

Moran.

Didja snicker? Yeah, don’t think it was meant for snickering. I can snicker at these guys if they come up with something – anything – original. No dice for this guy.

Long weekend for you, huh? Good for you. Enjoy.

I’m one of those cruel ones who snicker at stupidity — I know I shouldn’t, and that it’s mean and all, but I just can’t help it. My ancestors (that DNA thingy) actually fought in the Revolution and they were fighting for the right to have town hall meetings and fair representation, not for the right to bus in a mob of morons to shut down discussion of an important issue. So yeah, I snickered. We just don’t seem to attract the sort of quality troll that the Sadly Naughts do…

LOL. Hey, by all means, don’t stifle the spontaneity. Very true about The Founders. Wow. You can trace your family back to then? A liberal? Can’t believe that. The DNA thing was kinda funny. My people came over about 150 years after the “revelutionaries” so I don’t really see how I get that DNA but I’m not so smart on that genetics stuff. Wonder why we can’t attract quality trolls .

After sleeping (or not) on what I saw at the Massa event yesterday evening,
I have to agree with this dKos diary by RFK Lives, who describes what happened in Tampa.
What he says in Update 2 expresses far better than I can what bad place our country is now in.

Cruel? You? hey, anybody who puts out waffles and maple syrup is definitely not cruel.

Yeah, my first folk on my mother’s side of the family actually came over in 1620 on the Mayflower. And I’ve got Ann Hutchinson in there too — so I come from a long line of folks who didn’t take crap from anyone, least of all trolls!

Golly, my DNA comes from Scandinavians squeezed out of their homes looking for farmland and Germans who didn’t want to serve in the Kaiser’s Army in the middle to latter portion of the 19th century.

Real revolutionaries, right.

Why don’t you stay around and talk about it, because many of us would truly like to understand what in the fuck you are thinking?

Wonder why we can’t attract quality trolls

It could be that most of the time people here at least try to reason with them, or point out where they’re straying. The Sadly Naughts just open up the fire hose of mockery and let them have it. Which seems to enrage them and make them hang around and get more and more frenzied. Fun to read from time to time, but not conducive to serious discussion of the issues which is what we try to do here. Them? Not so much. (People in my office often wonder why howls of laughter waft out of my office at lunchtime — which is when I read Sadly, No.)

Does anyone know what happens when someone violates the State Secrets act?

What are the “sentences”? Would there be a trial? Would it matter what was revealed?

Suppose the state secret exposed a crime such as murder committed by someone high up in gov… or treason?

Morning all, Crosstimbers you want to explore alternate universes?

Only when capitalism collapses can there be justice, equity for all. But it could lead to worse – fascism or totalitarianism. We are coming to the fork in the road. Capitalists won’t go without a fight.

I can’t get this post over on another diary out of my head since I read it yesterday. We are facing some scary times, but we need to work our butts off to keep them from winning.

Wonder why we can’t attract quality trolls .

Be careful what you wish for, BfL! Dog knows there’s enough of the bloody things everywhere else….can we pleeeeze not invite them to the Lake?

Many Americans look back with horror upon the abuses inflicted upon those subjected to slavery. We see logic nonsense employed by people to justify “their” perceived myopic self interest, cash cows? Two hundred years from now or less hopefully, we will look upon tn this “fuckhead mentality” manifest today in the healthcare shouting match with the same “disgust,” as the pathetic attempts to justify the institution of slavery. Legalized discrimination is “American” and undercuts the purpose and intent of the constitution, as stated in the preamble. Where discrimination exists, justice cannot prevail and the rule of law, life then liberty are compromised then obliterated…………….

No. I’m afraid I have a cruel streak in me.

I certainly can’t answer any of your questions, but here’s a link to the full text of the bill. In a VERY cursory inspection I can’t find any mention of sentences.

It has occurred to me that people have the political and even social views they have because they are incapable of anything else. Their “education” and experience was mostly indoctrination, in poor schools, in church, from talk radio, from uninformed family, friends and collegues, local media, MSM and so forth. They lack curiosity and reasoning.

My mother used to say that if you get them young, you have them for life and that’s what happens with religion. Children are indoctrinated into their parent’s religion and don’t get to choose what their “beliefs” will be.

Seems like “political POV works the same. One indoctrinated few are capable of change. it takes a massive shock to get them to see how they were misled. MASSIVE. People are in denial.

After reading about all the fuckery going on at town halls across the country, I was flipping through the channels and stumbled upon THIS. Gave me chills. The audio suffers on this, the DVD sound must really be awesome. Hope it lifts up your spirit, too.

My ancestors (that DNA thingy) actually fought in the Revolution

Mine too. I kept hearing how members of my family had fought in every war the US was in. Not a bragging point for me.

That Sara Robinson post is a must read.

I read a Richard Reeves column the other day that postulated that the elderly ranters involved might not be as ignorant as they look. They’re all on Medicare and don’t want any current Medicare benefits diminished by inclusion in a broader public option. Either way, ignorance or selfishness, it looks like “the Greatest Generation” didn’t do so well in child rearing.

Sibel Edmonds has been gagged by asserting the State Secrets Privilege.

She claims to know where the bodies are buried and apparently the “State” doesn’t want her to say where.

Why doesn’t she simply speak out and let the chips fall where they may?

hey. i see the Town hall in tampa got ugly – as in physical. A teabagger says he was “slammed into a wall” and had his shirt ripped and got scratches.

The talking heads on cnn seemed in quite a snit this morning because Bill Clinton *hasn’t* been all over the idiot box talking about how he got the journos out of NKorea. hehehehehe

Per usual, he’ll be damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Next they’ll be *supposing* what *they* think he said and did. Forkin’ msm. :-(((

Some Grade A #1 twit either wrote (or called…can’t remember which) in yesterday whining about how much did the trip cost and who paid for it? Given the fact that cnn actually read some of the responses today (basically telling the woman to go shove it where the sun don’t shine), they must have gotten quite a bit of push-back on that particularly nasty toad-like attitude (no offense to toads intended since I have one living in a flower pot).

And if Mr. Obama can’t recapture some of the passion of 2008, can’t inspire his supporters to stand up and be heard, health care reform may well fail.

From Krugman this morning. My bold and I wonder if he wants to. With his sellout to Big Pharma I see a continuation of corporatist policies. Profit Over People.

Thanks Marion. The state secrets business is more of a threat than anything else. If someone blew the whistle on a crime such as murder committed by someone high up in gov, or treason as SanderO remarked, the gov would not want to prosecute, for fear of having more info revealed.

We were wondering where you were yesterday?

WMNF had a couple people there. I’ve heard various accounts but want to wait until I hear Mitch Perry, the #2 news guy at the station, who was there with his mic. At least Adam Smith, neocon political editor of the Times, had the guts to say the protesters arrived with talking points and were organized.

Why doesn’t she simply speak out and let the chips fall where they may?

It still may happen.

Dr found cancer in and around Gigi’s stomach. She put her little head on my chest and went to Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. I wasn’t really anywhere on this planet. Still not.

T’will be interesting to see what their responses are when there is more police action brought out to control the potential violence…….seeing as how they’re usually sooooooooo supportive of the cops. I’d place bets on screaming about police brutality and silencing freedom of speech….law enforcement is only good when it supports the *right* foot.

Seconded.

Oh, Dragon! So very sorry!

Aw bro, so sorry. You gave it all you had.

Oh, I’m so sorry. (((( SD )))

I actually have heard people here in metro Atlanta bitch that CORPORATE taxes are too high. I’ve seen that slogan on signs too. WTF hell is wrong with them?

My husband had a heart attack on the 2nd,our 16th wedding anniversary. I am sitting here waiting for the bills to start hitting the mailbox and I’m scared. No family should have to worry about that,not ever. And I have insurance. That’s wrong and it does interfere with life,liberty and the pursuit of any damned thing.

I can’t take these morans,I simply can’t.

They listen to Boortz.

Clown from Freedomworks on WJ now.

Never seems to be enough, does it? 4 in less than 2 years. My oldest is now almost 7 so maybe I can cop a huss.

(((SD)))

I hear ya.

fucking Joe is worse than usual

Assume, like every politician since Marius and Sulla, the guy wants to get re-elected.

How does this ’sellout to big Pharma’ improve his chances?

I’ll concede arguendo that it pumps up his fundraising from large donors, and his soft money.

But how does it change the math at the ballot box? By pulling Republican votes across? They’re not voting for him — he’s too, ahem, dark. Carving out a larger share of independents? Creating new Democratic voters from scratch? Shoring up the party base? If you’re right he’s turning them off.

Or is it just done to increase the amount of money he can charge for a speech four or nine years from now?

You can’t charge a man for a crime unless you can establish a motive.

There is anger on both sides, for and against a “public option.” A public option that delivers nothing, but that’s aside from the anger. The anger is being stoked by powerful interests, on the left by the fear of loss of health care, and on the right by fear of loss of health insurance.

Is the anger so much that there can be no common ground? Will the anger dissaipate? Is the anger so great that it is the forebarerof facism? Or the opensing shots of a new civil war? Powerful interests are fighting for no change, power, and money.

This is a seminal event. Will the powerful interests be brought to heel by our government, our elected “representatives”? Or will our “representatives” remain bought, or terrified, by the interests who fear loss, fear change? Are these powerful interests terrorists? Their tactics of fear and intimidation are revolutionary tactics, and designed to cause terror. These powerful interests understand, as do we, that root-and-branch reform will not stop at healthcare, it will become a wave that remakes many industries.

This is change, and change is difficult. Given the predeliction for violence in the US, this will end in deaths, maybe few, maybe many. This is only the first week in August.

Obama’s nightmare is being painted as “An Angry Black Man”. It would instantly destroy his credability and effictivness, and maybe the man himself.

I believe the desire not to loose through that avenue is a major motivation.

You need a lawyer. A contract entered into under duress is not a binding contract. I’d think fear of death (your husband’s) would be duress.

So, comment #6 pjack:

1. Makes a “conservative” comment on a liberal site.

2. A “hit and run” comment, doesn’t engage in conversation.

3. Hit’s the TAB key 6 times while commenting? (doesn’t let the sentences naturally “wrap” to the next line)

I believe that’s astroturf spam.