Comments on: Late Night: Elephants on Parade http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:16:36 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Blue http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951940 Blue Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:41:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951940 <p>The general election had nothing to do with Obama - it was moving on from Bush. Bush was so horrible that an empty-rhetoric hack Chicago politician with no record of leadership saw, and took, a huge opening. The popular vote in the general was depressingly (and frighteningly) close and I would argue that if McCain had selected a ‘reasonable’ VP he’d be president today. In the primaries I think Obama was a mistake - in the general … the lesser of evils.</p> The general election had nothing to do with Obama – it was moving on from Bush. Bush was so horrible that an empty-rhetoric hack Chicago politician with no record of leadership saw, and took, a huge opening. The popular vote in the general was depressingly (and frighteningly) close and I would argue that if McCain had selected a ‘reasonable’ VP he’d be president today. In the primaries I think Obama was a mistake – in the general … the lesser of evils.

]]> By: Mauimom http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951850 Mauimom Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:22:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951850 <blockquote> <p>But did they tell you tell you HAD to Die to save them money?? Of course not they counseled you so that you make what choices You want Katy and Not what some Administrator wants.. I had to go through the same thing with the transplant program I was/am in..</p></blockquote> <p>And why doesn’t some Media Wizard put you or any of the millions of others who received such counseling on the air to describe what it was like, to deflate/combat the Right Wing lies?</p> <p>It does not take a genius to figure out that strategy. </p> <p>Perhaps Rachel would be open to receiving an e-mail on this? [HInt, hint] She’s good about reading e-mail.</p>

But did they tell you tell you HAD to Die to save them money?? Of course not they counseled you so that you make what choices You want Katy and Not what some Administrator wants.. I had to go through the same thing with the transplant program I was/am in..

And why doesn’t some Media Wizard put you or any of the millions of others who received such counseling on the air to describe what it was like, to deflate/combat the Right Wing lies?

It does not take a genius to figure out that strategy.

Perhaps Rachel would be open to receiving an e-mail on this? [HInt, hint] She’s good about reading e-mail.

]]> By: torgo2009 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951827 torgo2009 Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:31:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951827 <p>Gregg, this is one of the most insightful pieces I’ve read in a long time. My vote for Obama was as much a vote against George W. (not McCain) as it was a vote for Obama.<br /> The level of outrage we are now seeing is hard to believe. Obama has done little if anything to have provoked this. I think his (or someone’s) one mistake was not going forward on the Black Panther voter intimidation case.</p> Gregg, this is one of the most insightful pieces I’ve read in a long time. My vote for Obama was as much a vote against George W. (not McCain) as it was a vote for Obama.
The level of outrage we are now seeing is hard to believe. Obama has done little if anything to have provoked this. I think his (or someone’s) one mistake was not going forward on the Black Panther voter intimidation case.

]]> By: 1divasinger http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951807 1divasinger Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:35:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951807 <p>What are you talking about? Amazingly, some people must think that President Obama is “Barak the genie.” It’s been 7 months, a horrific legacy of debt and crime that he inherited, and foreign policy challenges. I can’t believe how quickly “we the people” are willing to sit back and wait for change and do absolutely nothing to help, but criticize and name call.</p> What are you talking about? Amazingly, some people must think that President Obama is “Barak the genie.” It’s been 7 months, a horrific legacy of debt and crime that he inherited, and foreign policy challenges. I can’t believe how quickly “we the people” are willing to sit back and wait for change and do absolutely nothing to help, but criticize and name call.

]]> By: Gitcheegumee http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951806 Gitcheegumee Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:23:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951806 <p>Past as prologue</p> <p><strong>“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.<br /> Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”</strong></p> <p>Abraham Lincoln</p> Past as prologue

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.
Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

Abraham Lincoln

]]> By: jlamkin http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951804 jlamkin Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:59:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951804 <p>It’s always easy to place blame elsewhere, and the Blame Bush game is so easy, why not play again?</p> <p>I place the lion’s share of responsibility with Mr. Obama himself. He had all that energy behind him and he squandered it on people like Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, while ignoring men like Joe Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini. On the health care debate, instead of getting out in front, with all the popular support he enjoyed, and telling the truth about insurance companies and Big Pharma, he gave them the best seats at the table. Don’t even get me started on gay rights.</p> <p>Obama is a creature of the Establishment and you reap what you sow. I think one of the saddest parts of this whole sad tale is that Obama has, probably unwittingly, turned a large chunk of his passionate support into another generation of Americans too cynical about our federal government to even care any more. I know that is how I’m feeling right about now.</p> It’s always easy to place blame elsewhere, and the Blame Bush game is so easy, why not play again?

I place the lion’s share of responsibility with Mr. Obama himself. He had all that energy behind him and he squandered it on people like Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, while ignoring men like Joe Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini. On the health care debate, instead of getting out in front, with all the popular support he enjoyed, and telling the truth about insurance companies and Big Pharma, he gave them the best seats at the table. Don’t even get me started on gay rights.

Obama is a creature of the Establishment and you reap what you sow. I think one of the saddest parts of this whole sad tale is that Obama has, probably unwittingly, turned a large chunk of his passionate support into another generation of Americans too cynical about our federal government to even care any more. I know that is how I’m feeling right about now.

]]> By: SouthernDragon http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951803 SouthernDragon Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:37:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951803 <p>Right on, Gregg. What has stood out at each of the mobbed THs is that the mob is strictly vanilla.</p> Right on, Gregg. What has stood out at each of the mobbed THs is that the mob is strictly vanilla.

]]> By: zarf http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951802 zarf Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:12:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951802 <p>Oh my god. You are bipartesan when you lead the horse to water. You are a nut bucket, when you try to make it drink.</p> Oh my god. You are bipartesan when you lead the horse to water. You are a nut bucket, when you try to make it drink.

]]> By: zarf http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951799 zarf Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:58:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951799 <p>ok. Politics is, politics was, politics always will be the art of the possible.<br /> Take the Bay of pigs, Kennedy was a young vibrant President, but Everett Dirksen, and the rest of the Republican Party was ready to roll if he didn’t let the stupid ideas that were involved play out.</p> <p>The damage done by assholes should not be underrated, just because they seem reluctant to take curtain calls. picture a free floating asshole in ballet slippers.</p> <p>People with intellectual cred could write a better health care bill in half an hour on one sheet of paper………so…..what’s your point.</p> ok. Politics is, politics was, politics always will be the art of the possible.
Take the Bay of pigs, Kennedy was a young vibrant President, but Everett Dirksen, and the rest of the Republican Party was ready to roll if he didn’t let the stupid ideas that were involved play out.

The damage done by assholes should not be underrated, just because they seem reluctant to take curtain calls. picture a free floating asshole in ballet slippers.

People with intellectual cred could write a better health care bill in half an hour on one sheet of paper………so…..what’s your point.

]]> By: DrZen http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951775 DrZen Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:52:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/07/late-night-elephants-on-parade-17/#comment-1951775 <p>It’s just politics. Keep framing Obama as a leftist to Overton the frame rightwards and make it impossible for anyone actually on the left to get power. Create chaos at very mild reform so that any future reformist is afraid to push anything that is even slightly anticorporate.</p> <p>And this post would only begin to make sense if Bush had been a Democrat or these people were actually anything like a majority.</p> It’s just politics. Keep framing Obama as a leftist to Overton the frame rightwards and make it impossible for anyone actually on the left to get power. Create chaos at very mild reform so that any future reformist is afraid to push anything that is even slightly anticorporate.

And this post would only begin to make sense if Bush had been a Democrat or these people were actually anything like a majority.

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