No, I am not asking about how we got to the place where we have orchestrated outrage that has metastasized into dangerous, violent, out-and-out rage—not exactly.
Not asking why it is so easy for so many to invoke Nazis, Hitler, and the Holocaust, nor am I asking why folks feel secure in asserting that Barack Obama’s health care plan (whatever that is—if you know, please do tell) will require grandma to take the gas pipe rather than an aspirin.
Nor am I asking how it is that such large numbers of Republicans still question where president Obama was born—and now also contend that this story is under-covered—and how these birthers can get crossbred with the teabaggers and the “Obama-care is genocide” set to so derail and pollute the national debate that we are right now very much in danger of turning off a brand new generation of recently energized voters because they are just tired of all the noise and what they see as “politics as usual.”
And I am not even asking how we got from a time 200 days ago when over a million people would come out in the freezing cold to see this president take the oath of office, and something like three-quarters of America was ready come out and support the president in any big fight he chose to take on. . . to a place right now where the president would rather trust his fortunes to a half-dozen conservative senators who have one objective above all others: kill a meaningful public health plan and protect their corporate masters.
(OK, I guess that sounds like two objectives—but it is really one. Trust me.)
I am not asking how we got from a campaign that promised we would guarantee everyone in the land affordable and effective health care to a place where we are on the verge of passing anything, no matter what it really accomplishes, just to say we passed something. Not asking that, either.
Nope. . . not asking any of the above. . . not tonight. Here’s what I am asking:
How is it that Obama is president? How did we, America elect Barack Obama?
I ask that tonight because here is what I am seeing in all the organized outrage and outrageous organizing; here’s what I am seeing in teabagging anti-care birthers: racists. Rabid and perhaps irretrievable racists.
Yes, we are a racist country—still—with a racist past, but most would contend that we have made some strides in the last 50 years. But what we are seeing in these protests—as pre-arranged and bought-and-paid-for as they might be—is still something real, a fear of other, an unwavering dislike, a complete inability to accept that we now have a black/bi-racial/African American president. For this minority, it is really too much to bear.
And, as you can see, it is so unbearable that they are willing to, if not organize, be organized. Willing to come out and shout at people in positions of power. Willing to appear on camera chanting and behaving in ways most would say are anti-social and rude. Willing, increasingly, to threaten, provoke, and even carry out physical violence.
If these folks are so exercised now, where were they a year ago? By this point in the summer of 2008, it seemed kind of clear to most that there was at least a chance that America would elect a non-white man president. But did we see this? I mean, we saw some crazies. . . a sign here. . . a billboard there. . . but nothing like this, I don’t think.
Here’s what I do think. I think there is difference between then and now, and that difference is George W. Bush. Or, rather, the difference is that the Bush presidency is now in the past.
What I think—what the last few weeks have made me feel—is that George W. Bush was so awful, so venal, so incompetent, and so pathetic that he actually demoralized these people into hiding. Bush marginalized their hate with his horribleness.
What I am saying—and so answering what I am asking—is that George W. Bush was so bad, America elected a black president.
You understand what I am saying—please don’t take that quote out of context—I am saying that Bush the Younger sucked so hard that America, for a moment, was able to push past its inherited and perhaps inherent racism, and vote for the most obvious alternative. And now that Bush is gone—even though the misery lingers on—some folks are feeling free enough again to indulge their fears, their anxiety. . . their hate.
That’s how we got here. . . I think. . . how about you?
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Zed!
The Bushies were pretty arrogant and it showed. And people knew what it was.
White House is confirming the deal with big pharma. The one were the government, we the people, can’t negotiate for the best price. Obama is turning out to be a disaster on so many levels. A gifted orator makes the con artist all the more dangerous.
How indeed.
The Republicans are terrific at this, and I would not put it past them to actually have a party remaining when the dust settles.
Never underestimate the Democratic Party’s
willingnessbirthright to miss golden opportunities.This is some sick shit.
Gregg, man, I just don’t know. I remember those Palin rallies last fall and I really can’t say that I couldn’t see this coming. Maybe Bush was so awful that it toned down the hate some, but it didn’t conceal it completely.
What I do know is that my country is making me sick again. And it hasn’t been long enough since the last time it did that.
Sadly, I believe there’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying. And although I can’t point to a citation, I’ve heard it before, probably during the campaign.
I do wonder, though, how many of these wackos/frightened/racist people actually voted for him, or did they just not go out to vote.
Even the Simon Wiesenthal Center — definitely not a liberal organization — has problems with these bozos. This from an email sent to its list:
Well, you are certainly correct that most people in the country were very weary and extremely ready for a change…But there was still room for the Palin/Joe Plumber crazies. The whole fear factor was exploded during the financial scare as well. In fear they are looking for the good ol’ days, whatever that means. So the meta script that Im hearing is that “that man” wants to remake this country…with dire warnings that he is taking America away. I guess relief from W really, really fixed everything. SO?
I am not sure of that. The people we are seeing in the birther-teabagger-townhall-disrupter movements have always been there (remember the Palin and McCain rallies toward the end?). They are a virulent, malevolent, and dangerous force in America, but they do not represent the majority. I think a far larger group of white Americans are “uncomfortable” with minorities, but can be persuaded to look past that discomfort. I think perhaps a large enough percentage of them were eager enough to vote for someone who projected a progressive message to overlook the color of his skin. (Yes this is still racist, but of a milder, if more insidious, form).
On the other hand, I grew up in Oklahoma in the 50s and 60s and saw segregation and Jim Crow first hand (even attended segregated schools for a few years). Even in the 1970s, the N-word was the term of choice for persons of color among a large segment of the population, though that faded fast by the late 70s. We really have come a very long way since then, though we obviously have a very long way to go yet.
I do not think anybody who follows these issues professionally, as I do, is the least surprised by the reactions we are seeing now. I was actually much more surprised that he was elected.
They are vocal minority, loonies, no different than the Palinites of old. They are making the noise and getting the notice but they really are hollow underneath. The GOP hasn’t recovered from rotting away yet.
Do you think all this overheated rhetoric/fear is a factor in Obama’s urge for compromise/bi-partisonship even as he is being so critized at the same time?
No, it hasn’t; but some days it looks like the Thugs are going to drag the whole fucking country down with them just out of spite.
I honestly do not know what the hell is going on there. I think part of it is Obama’s instinctual urge to bipartisanship and compromise. I am not sure how much of it is affected by the insanity on the outside. It really follows a clear pattern in the administration. I am really disappointed, as it would seem that he really did not learn anything about hardball politics in Chicago.
You better believe it. Their entire strategy at the moment is to burn the whole thing down if they cannot be in charge.
It looks like it that I will grant you but this country is too big for that and most people are too decent.
I think it’s more to do with his fear that all this will translate into an issue for the midterms… especially if he’s unable to pass anything at all.. or anything that can’t be spun into a symbolic victory
I agree. But in the abstract, blowing up any and all legislation is good enough for them. They know what they are doing, no matter how self-destructive.
I think some of it has to be the Republican Party once again taking short-term gain over long-term sustainability.
Look at who emerged from the Republican primaries last year – a candidate that the hard-right barely tolerated and who on the best days could be described as “mercurial”.
He then picks an absolute nobody from nowhere to be his running mate not based on her qualifications, but because he needs something to boost his flagging numbers.
Faced with that, a lot of moderate Republicans chose to sit on their hands rather than vote McCain.
As much as Obama and the Democratic Party did everything they could to win, McCain and the GOP did everything they could to lose.
I think he sees his role as Arbitrator in Chief instead of Commander.
yeah, but the thugs are armed ;-P
I wish I shared your optimism. While I do not think that they represent anything near a majority, I do fear that they have the power to tear the place down and to sow enough fear and uncertainty to roil the political waters.
The Republi KLAN party has their STAND-PAT-RIOT-ISM strategy going.
They want to STAND PAT on health care and they use false PATRIOTISM
and RIOTs to attempt to accomplish this.
But we can go after some of their campaign contributors that make consumer products and boycott them and demand legislation from them
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Ya they are but the consequences of using that force in this discussion dooms them.
He was somewhere (Ive forgotten) much more on the stump mode and came out swinging. I hope that lasts.
They lost. They hate Obama because he is black and they lost. They are not a majority. They are a fairly small minority. None of these people voted for Obama. The only person they hate worse than Obama is Hillary. And they hate her because she is a she and she is smart. These people are projecting their own hatred onto Obama and accusing him of their crimes and craziness.
It is going to get much uglier before it gets better.
I can understand why many of the founding fathers were reluctant to cede any power to the common man. As H. L. Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it… good and hard.”
The problem is that they fucking do not care. We already have US Representatives getting death threats, as has the SEIU, while the reichwing gasbags like Limbaugh, Beck, Malkin, and Coulter, urge ever more violence and mayhem with never a peep of dissent from Republican politicians.
On Newshour tonight both Brooks and Shields were critical of the tactics, not claiming equivalence, and drew the contrast with how fast Code Pink was ejected. I hope you are correct about “doom”.
Menken also said, rather wisely, that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
The 60’s saw riots in the streets. Black people in this country were burned out, burned up, murdered, and forced to the back of the bus. They overcame more than I can conceive of. Hopis have been here for a couple of thousand years through extreme drought, raids of other tribes, Spanish conquerors, stupid gringos, and the BIA. They are still here.
So these bastards only win if we throw in the towel. Good towels aren’t cheap so I am not throwing in any of mine.
It’s change plain and simple some folks just can’t handle change it’s coming on too much too fast for them.
The first reaction is fear , they’ve moved past that to the next stage , anger, violence ,real violence can’t be too far away
I can’t agree with you on the equivalence thing. Brooks was very quick to bring up Code Pink and the anti-war protests as somehow comparable and even Shield, in his typical wishy-washy centrist way, gave some vcover to the notion of equivalence. Admittedly, Brooks did not push the equivqalence very hard (I think he knows this is unprecedented and outrageous, but will never admit it).
I am not saying that they can “win” in the sense of gaining ascendancy anytime soon, just that they can destroy any chance of progressive change. I am also afraid that our “leaders” do not have the guts or vision to really fight this thing.
A healthy democracy requires a well-informed electorate. In the U.S. voters are more likely to be familiar with the rules and contestants of American Idol than with the workings of their government.
Well said. I agree that the Bush administration demoralized the crazies and they were in a funk.
But what I really think is that there are two factions fighting change. There are the corps and the media (who aren’t necessarily racist) and then there is a small group of people who the right-wing leaders know how to manipulate.
This has been going on for years. The instigators don’t believe their lies, they just use any tool available to get the citizens riled. Now, they see an opening with Obama’s race and they’re going to exploit that for all it’s worth.
It’s oh so Rovian. Cheap shots. The easy way out. No imagination.
Why in your discourse did you not mention the incendiary speechifying of the McCain/Palin ticket last year around this time? The crowds seemed pretty whipped up by them. They were pretty angry during McCain’s concession speech. He didn’t allow Palin to say a thing that evening. That alone probably pissed some of them off. But still. That’s where they left off last year.
The thing that scares me now — and it scared me about the Palinites — is the large number of “regular people” who swallow this shit.
In perusing many blogs as I do, I see an increasing number of anecdotes from folks who talk about a crazy rant they received from their dentist or their primary care MD, or some other service professional — someone who hadn’t been a demonstrated crazy previously, and who wasn’t “ranting” in a crazy way now, but was just repeating one or more of the right-wing lies.
Others report the nut-job e-mails they receive from “Uncle Chester” or that long-lost brother — sent in all seriousness to “alert” the recipient of “what’s really going on.”
Obama and the Dems have been SO weak, and SO preoccupied with meeting behind closed doors to “hammer things out” with their corporate pals, that they never developed a strategy for educating the public. Thus Uncle Chester, the dentist et al. are vulnerable to Fox, Glen Beck and spam.
These folks are NOT in an “information gathering” mode. They’re just not-too-smart, scared and gullible.
There’s a n***** in the White House be afraid be very very afraid /s
Damn semi -literate knuckle dragging cretins
I don’t think anyone here tonight is expecting anything from Republican politicians. They are too scared to cross Rush and Gleen Beck. One Florida GOP congressman pissed off the base when he said the should turn off Beck. They started screaming at him. No, never expect help from that corner, they are cowards.
The American electorate is abysmally ill-informed, which is what the MSM have earnestly striven for for the past 30 years.
The biggest problem as I see it is again, the media. Obama does a one-hour press briefing on Health Care Reform (whether he did a good job explaining it or not is not the issue here). However, the last question was about Gates. So, for two weeks afterward, if you watched the MSM and did not actually watch the presser, you would have never known that Obama said one word on health care.
Also – any of you who go to Crooks & Liars on the weekends and check out the bobble-head thread, why is it that 95% of all the bobble-heads are right-wing shills of one sort or another and there are seldom any lefties to rebut them. And if a lefty shows up – a lot of the time, there are two or three righties to ‘balance’ things out. Some of the lefties, like Jane and Paul Krugman, do a good job of refuting the right-wing talking points, but others seem more like the deer-in-the-headlights and can’t get past their opening gambit.
So while there is plenty of blame for the Blue Dogs, the people who aren’t identified as Blue Dogs, and the usual cast of spineless idiots in Congress, and Obama himself – we must never forget that what the media chooses to cover and emphasize matters far more than what the Congresscritters actually do.
to them damaging the process is a win
Agree with you about “our” leaders.
I may have simplified it…I thought they were very pointed in their emphasis about disrupting the debate/making the speech, discussion impossible.
They are worse than cowards. Many, if not most, are directly complicit in this. Look at all the statements from Congressional Republicans about how the birthers “have a point” and the like?
I generally agree with AZ Matt, at least for the moment. But just because they can’t actually destroy the republic doesn’t mean they can’t cause a lot of damage to it. It seems to be at least even odds that they manage to derail healthcare reform and just because they don’t actually have enough guns to stage a coup won’t help the poor chump standing in front of them when they open fire with whatever they’re armed with.
Exactly.
I’ve seen a lot of pre election promises come and go. The one thing that never seems to change is the money that controls Washington. We have to work harder to overcome this impediment. I don’t think that buying legislation is what the founders had in mind.
THis is only the first week of the recess ,things can only get worse
Makes the flock easier to fleece. Work, buy, die… and ask no questions.
In the Book of Genesis, the forbidden fruit was from the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, don’t ask questions, if you’d kept your fucking mouth shut we’d still be in Paradise.
I think at this point the Republicans goal is to sow political chaos, so that nothing gets done and everybody is confused and upset. They think if they do that they can recapture control of the government. I don’t really think they are right about that, though it is a possibility if our “leaders” do not start aggressively fighting back and quit making nice with these political terrorists.
Well, the SCOTUS is re-hearing the ‘money equals speech’ case for campaign reform. So Ms. Sotomayor will be up and we’ll see how she votes. If she can just be a little bit left of center and pull Kennedy with her…
Oh well, I can hope can’t I?
Seems like our leaders are far too ready to bow to the will of big money interests, Obama included
The “progressives” who lick Rahm’s hand are conceited enough to think they don’t really need us. Perhaps some seats need to go to back to Republicans to get their attention in 2010.
So true…..and has been so apparent and pervasive. More stories tonight about $$s from Countryside…So, who will regulate?
AZ Matt!
which is precisely why we should be very very afraid of the future. Our schools are simply awful. 25 millions are illiterate by any standard. Another 40 million can only function at the 4th grade level or lower. The high school graduation rate is actually falling and the percentage of college educated has been more or less static for a generation. We’re not as a country going to get any more informed anytime soon.
Not sure I agree. There might be blowback on the thugs and their owners.
((((Loo Hoo!!!))))
How are you this fine Friday evening?
Especially if the Texas State Board of Education has anything to do with it, and they have a lot to do with what is in our school textbooks.
I think at this point the Republicans goal is to sow political chaos, so that nothing gets done
If they don’t end up sending us down the path of ruin as a result
good petition, good idea. i signed the petition and immediately got an email saying i’d joined the group and they also gave me a password. i sent them back an email saying i didn’t join the group, i only signed a petition and take me off their email list. buyer beware.
Those are not exactly mutually exclusive pursuits.
On Facebook? Join “The Astroturf Movement“
Created proudly by the chair of my local Republican Party. He’s a hoot in the same way Glenn Beck is.
Hey BB you are absolutely right! There are some many who are still afraid of anyone who is different!! whether color or religion… Tis truly sad but that is what it is… These kind of people will never change… they are too afraid to make any change and love the status Quo!!
Oh yeah BB will be back there on the 20th!
In the year 1680 a remarkable thing happened in the Americas. The Spanish Empire suffered their worst defeat at the hands of Native Peoples from the Rio Grande Valley to the Hopi lands. They were driven out completely. Yes, they did come back. So this Monday the Hopi celebrate Pueblo Revolt Day, when they got back their freedom from Spain.
(The office is locked on Monday so I will just have to work from home – darn!)
So much for change and transparency we can believe in.
Perhaps the Hopi should have erected a border fence…
Thanks! I’ll check out Bobble Head.
Contact me on FB if you can get a free minute we’ll have to meet up
Same old story. The fox guarding the hen house. When will the American people ever wake up from their coma and get involved in THEIR government while taking it back from corporate interests?
Early day tomorrow , got to head out.
Good night !
Would love to, we shall see…
That would have required a great many rocks!
G’nite. Think I’ll take off too. Splendid evening to all.
Face book links seem to be down… will try again!!
and engaged Lou Dobbs as their anti-immigration advocate. Deport those land-stealing Caucasian illegals!
The small and vocal minority of wingnuts who are making their presence felt need not be confused with the vast majority of Americans who voted for Obama. These authoritarian followers are manipulated to feel fear, the Republicans’ greatest ally.
Through demographic and generational changes, I think the amount of racism should continue to lessen over time.
- Tom
OT, but the weather here has been positively Biblical here the past couple of days. It has rained constantly and the high today was 64. We got two months worth of rain today alone. That is rather less impressive than it seems, however, as it is only about 2″. More on the way tomorrow. This bodes really well for a calm and quiet fire season (which had been looking a bit shaky).
Night, bb.
Night, rf.
I’m just fine, thanks. This insanity is just blowing my mind! When are the parades for health care reform?
A great line from a British novel I just read:
“Americans like democracy as long as it doesn’t get in the way of the government”
Rachel Maddow: Finally! Someone speaks truth to power! Great video with Rachel and Frank Schaeffer on the mobs.
Time for me to toddle off as well. Take care all.
How did Obama become President? Basically, the Democrats did not act like an opposition party for 7 years. So they never really developed leaders with established records of offering leadership and alternatives to Bush. Yes, there was Hillary but she was hardly a voice of opposition, refusing throughout the primaries to apologize for her vote for and support of the Iraq war. That opened the field to the less tried and the less well known. Edwards had better ideas. Clinton was more established. Richardson had a better résumé. Obama had the least baggage and he ran on his early opposition to the Iraq war. The media refused to cover Edwards. Richardson was a poor speaker. Dodd never had the organization. Obama went early to the net and grassroots and had an upset victory in Iowa. He came across as a fresh new face at a time when the electorate was sick to death of the same old faces. It quickly became a two person race with Clinton representing the old politics and Obama mostly by default, new politics. In the mood the country was in, she never had a chance. Clinton was caught in a Catch-22. She needed to re-invent herself politically and there was no one less capable of doing so. Obama won the nomination.
Meanwhile 8 years of Bush had left the Republican party an infighting, back-biting wreck. McCain did not so much win the nomination as simply survive the process, but all of the compromising he had been forced to do to satisfy the various whacked out wings of the party in the primaries insured his failure in the general election.
Obama won the election 52.9% to 45.7% in the popular vote. This was a fairly surprising result. Yes, Obama killed McCain in the electoral college but still after 8 years of Bush and a super weak ticket of McCain and Palin 45.7% of the electorate voted for more of the same.
The Thugs are really pissed they couldn’t steal the last election. People hated Bush so much that they couldn’t rig enough votes to put them over, although they came close. I believe the REAL popular vote was closer to 67%-33% than 53-47.
The country is about a third Dem, a third thugs and a third indys. The one-third thugs are the ones we see acting out at these town debacles,as they did in Fla. in 2000 and will ALWAYS do. Same as they did at the McCain-Palin accomplice-to-murder rallies.
The thugs are more brazen now because they have seen there are no consequences for any lawbreaking on their part. They own the media so their message is the only one heard. They own all Republics and seemingly, most of the Dems too.
This is the last chance for law and order and democracy as we used to know it to survive. If not for a handful of heroes like Joe Wilson, Mark Klein, etc, blowing their whistles in the dark at the last possible minute-we would already have seen martial law close=up and personal.
They are already out in the streets. We can either get out there to stare them down or kiss any change for democracy or America good-bye.
That’s scarey. Really good analysis.
I think a significant segment of Americans have always had an authoritarian bias. I cannot count the number of times I heard, while growing up, my dad and his buddies calling privately for government-led Naziesque purges of the enemies-of-moment – Arabs, drug dealers, illegal immigrants, labor union activists… such people are fortunately in the minority, but they are a significant minority… and their authoritarian impulse is very real. Even after eight years of shrubbish tyranny. they still didn’t want change. shrub was their type of guy.
I honestly do not know what the hell is going on there. I think part of it is Obama’s instinctual urge to bipartisanship and compromise. I am not sure how much of it is affected by the insanity on the outside. It really follows a clear pattern in the administration. I am really disappointed, as it would seem that he really did not learn anything about hardball politics in Chicago.
Part of hardball a la Chicago is to start off with bipartisanship (which means here machine v.s. reformers) then take it from there after you get no response, which has not happened yet. Politics is compromise, if you can’t accept that follow high energy physics instead. Obama always came from the center and realized the necessity for compromise. It’s just that being from the center in America looks to those on the fringe like you are a Marxist or at least a socialist.
triple digits and sunny here, as it’s been forever. the plants are mad. and i’ve taken to my fainting couch.
Gregg – sure, the country voted ABB – “Anybody But Bush” and Obama painted McCain in that corner and VOILA!
When you look at the polling the Great Orange Satan does, I’m pretty sure you’d get the same result “Anybody But A Republican” except for the rump South. And that’s where the violence and vitriol is most vehement.
Not to say there aren’t racists and jerks everywhere else; there are.
But the South is truly marginalized and will remain so for the foreseeable future. And they’re PISSED! It’s what to do about it. And for that question, I have no answer.
Create at least the appearance of chaos and disorder and people shut down, same shit happened in the 2001 election and happened in 1968. Just enough people get to the point of tuning out and bingo shit gets done half assed or not at all. The only thing I see is that if enough people remain calm and steadfast maybe it will catch on, an anti-chaos virus. The media will amplify this noise to no ends, it will be interesting to see how this plays out, I have a feeling I will end up being a little suprised and not completely dissatisfied.
Gregg, You nailed it.
Good evening everyone….. saw the rant by frank Frank Schaeffer on Rachel….. thank you for the link so that I can let Elmore view it…..
A couple of years Jeffery Feldman warned us all of the violence if we do not stop the violence talk…….
Ah Oh….. I got counseled on end of life care when I was admitted at Mayo a couple of weeks ago…… did they miss me? I’m still alive….
hi katymine-
I didn’t think of it as a rant, but as a frightening disassembly of a very disturbed machine. And he should know.
Schaeffer strikes me as a man riven by guilt, and scared for his country.
Hi katymine! What was the counseling like? Do you appreciate it or not?
So glad you’re still with us.
But did they tell you tell you HAD to Die to save them money?? Of course not they counseled you so that you make what choices You want Katy and Not what some Administrator wants.. I had to go through the same thing with the transplant program I was/am in..
These Republicans are truly SICK in saying that the Government wants to kill all those who are old or sick!! Fuckery I tell You Just plain old Fuckery
(((Katy))) Wishing the best of course!!
I totally agree but he let loose. Speaking truth to power. He took time from Rachel’s schedule and I am watching Real Time on HBO…..
Frank was great. The most honest person on the state of our debate yet.
It was one of the baby doctors (looked too young to be a resident) who popped in the door, asked if I wanted yes or no to be DNR?
Bush demoralized the crazy part of the right wing? No, actually I think a lot of the time they loved what he was doing.
Starting wars. Killing, imprisoning, and torturing Muslims. Suppressing dissent (from the progressive/liberal/Democratic side, of course). The racists among them probably loved the fact Bush’s incompetence let New Orleans drown. Cutting taxes no matter how irresponsible, cutting social programs no matter how essential or compassionately useful.
The stuff they’re now accusing our side of doing are precisely those qualities they loved most about the Bush Administration — and so of course they didn’t protest. Probably the only aspect they didn’t like was the fact the Bush Administration was so inept and incompetent and didn’t go far enough…but they were so busy being loyal patriots to their Big Daddy Prezdint, they wouldn’t even admit to the incompetence.
Remember, these folks are creating their own bizarro reality.
I find it amazing that when 76% of Americans feel a public option choice in health care is important (source: NBC/WSJ survey Study #6095, June 2009, question 34a), congress and the president are about to shit all over it. If the public option dies then representative democracy has absolutely failed in this country and it’s time to sweep the whole rancid lot of these fuckers out.
I’m sure some of it stems from issues they have with race but I tend to think they are the minority. I think its just hatred of Democrats, some wierd idea about “socialism”, Libruls, etc.
And I agree with a poster way upthread in that I’m not surprised in a way with all of this after seening the McPalin rallies.
They were there, Greg. They were fuming, angry, fretting during the entire election season. Most of us do not frequent the kinds of websites where the worst of the haters congregate, but they were at it. (First time I can remember in my adult life ever hearing of a KKK member wearing robes in public here in MI was just last summer…and there were white nationalists protesting outside the venue where John Edwards endorsed Obama, before the primaries were completely over.)
For a while they merely simmered, believing that Hillary would win over Obama and they’d get someone more conservative than her spouse and less of a fuck-up than George W. Some of that PUMA anger and resentment was not Democratic, but Republican in source, the ones who weren’t going to bet on McCain but who rejected Obama. Some of that anger was the first bleed-through.
But now? They’ve been encouraged by a relaxation of George W.’s heavy-handedness with regard to law enforcement; they knew it was really aimed at somebody other than them, anyhow. They’ve also gotten the encouragement of corporate support. They are too angry and/or stupid to realize they are being co-opted, and perhaps they simply don’t care. Their leaders from corporate media (Limbaugh and Beck being the best examples) to their churches (like American Family Association and Gary Bauer) are all receiving talking points which dial up the rage through deceptive rhetoric, fanning the flames.
They were there all along; they just weren’t as organized with corporate backers and with a single cause at which to aim their venom.
Not really. Politics is about competition among various groups with different interests. Each group pushes its agenda and interests, seeking to control the collective decisions and the allocation of public resources. Sometimes, in order to get some of what you want, you have to compromise. Other times you do not have to compromise and sometimes no compromise is possible (as on abortion or capital punishment).
Even when you have to compromise you must always make your opponents “force” you to compromise and never concede anything you do not have to. You will never get what you want otherwise. You have to fight for what you want and be willing to go to the wall for it. If you are not willing to fight as hard as you can, take up knitting.
As to Chicago politics, you are full of shit. I lived there for 12 years, starting with the Washington administration. Bipartisanship does not exist in Chicago (or did not when I was there). Chicago politicians only compromise where they have to and they never give up anything they do not need to. They will also cut their enemies off at the knees at every opportunity. I have seen it many times.
It’s just politics. Keep framing Obama as a leftist to Overton the frame rightwards and make it impossible for anyone actually on the left to get power. Create chaos at very mild reform so that any future reformist is afraid to push anything that is even slightly anticorporate.
And this post would only begin to make sense if Bush had been a Democrat or these people were actually anything like a majority.
ok. Politics is, politics was, politics always will be the art of the possible.
Take the Bay of pigs, Kennedy was a young vibrant President, but Everett Dirksen, and the rest of the Republican Party was ready to roll if he didn’t let the stupid ideas that were involved play out.
The damage done by assholes should not be underrated, just because they seem reluctant to take curtain calls. picture a free floating asshole in ballet slippers.
People with intellectual cred could write a better health care bill in half an hour on one sheet of paper………so…..what’s your point.
Oh my god. You are bipartesan when you lead the horse to water. You are a nut bucket, when you try to make it drink.
Right on, Gregg. What has stood out at each of the mobbed THs is that the mob is strictly vanilla.
It’s always easy to place blame elsewhere, and the Blame Bush game is so easy, why not play again?
I place the lion’s share of responsibility with Mr. Obama himself. He had all that energy behind him and he squandered it on people like Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, while ignoring men like Joe Stiglitz and Nouriel Roubini. On the health care debate, instead of getting out in front, with all the popular support he enjoyed, and telling the truth about insurance companies and Big Pharma, he gave them the best seats at the table. Don’t even get me started on gay rights.
Obama is a creature of the Establishment and you reap what you sow. I think one of the saddest parts of this whole sad tale is that Obama has, probably unwittingly, turned a large chunk of his passionate support into another generation of Americans too cynical about our federal government to even care any more. I know that is how I’m feeling right about now.
Past as prologue
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country.
Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
Abraham Lincoln
What are you talking about? Amazingly, some people must think that President Obama is “Barak the genie.” It’s been 7 months, a horrific legacy of debt and crime that he inherited, and foreign policy challenges. I can’t believe how quickly “we the people” are willing to sit back and wait for change and do absolutely nothing to help, but criticize and name call.
Gregg, this is one of the most insightful pieces I’ve read in a long time. My vote for Obama was as much a vote against George W. (not McCain) as it was a vote for Obama.
The level of outrage we are now seeing is hard to believe. Obama has done little if anything to have provoked this. I think his (or someone’s) one mistake was not going forward on the Black Panther voter intimidation case.
And why doesn’t some Media Wizard put you or any of the millions of others who received such counseling on the air to describe what it was like, to deflate/combat the Right Wing lies?
It does not take a genius to figure out that strategy.
Perhaps Rachel would be open to receiving an e-mail on this? [HInt, hint] She’s good about reading e-mail.
The general election had nothing to do with Obama – it was moving on from Bush. Bush was so horrible that an empty-rhetoric hack Chicago politician with no record of leadership saw, and took, a huge opening. The popular vote in the general was depressingly (and frighteningly) close and I would argue that if McCain had selected a ‘reasonable’ VP he’d be president today. In the primaries I think Obama was a mistake – in the general … the lesser of evils.