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Early Morning Swim

By: Blue Texan Wednesday August 5, 2009 4:58 am

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  • Appeasement
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  • The Pavlovian neocon response.
  • Making it easier to ignore them.
  • Durbin says "teabaggers." Heh.
  • Killing another zombie health care lie.
  • Blackwater founder: murderer?
  • Wife swapping?
  • He’s still extra mavericky.

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61 Responses to “Early Morning Swim”

Ruth Calvo August 5th, 2009 at 5:07 am
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Naturally your wingnuts would see obtaining the release of innocents as worthless. These are the same sort that thought Jimmy Carter ought to nuke the embasssy, to ’show’ the rioters in Iran.

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Raven August 5th, 2009 at 5:12 am
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In response to Ruth Calvo @ 1

And that the Taliban should execute the GI.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:17 am
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Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince’s executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to “lay Hajiis out on cardboard.” Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game.

And all on our nickel.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:20 am
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Eric Price is going over the Eric Prince story on democracynow.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:27 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 4

Left out the most important fact.

Prince, a devout Catholic

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foothillsmike August 5th, 2009 at 5:28 am
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Wonder if Josh Bolton would mind if we just turn Eric Prince over to the Iraqis.

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Marion in Savannah August 5th, 2009 at 5:28 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 5

Hardly the most important fact…

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:29 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 5

According to Schahill (who was the one speaking, not Eric Prince talking about himself as I mistyped above) said that Prince converted to R.C. because it was the closest to the original Xtian tradition.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:32 am
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In response to Marion in Savannah @ 7

Well, it is an indication of his extremism, in the sense that being a Protestant just wasn’t religious enough for him.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:33 am
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In response to Marion in Savannah @ 7

It is, if religious belief is used to justify the committing of atrocities.

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Blue Texan August 5th, 2009 at 5:34 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 9

I don’t think you can say converting to Catholicism makes you an extremist. My wife did, and she hardly qualifies.

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Marion in Savannah August 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 9

He’s also flat out wrong. The 1st century Christians would be anathema to someone like Prince. All that sharing, and turning the other cheek, and such.

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Waccamaw August 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am
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In response to Raven @ 2

That was quite one of the most despicable things said in recent memory. Oh, yeah, they support our troops. :-(

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:36 am
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In response to Blue Texan @ 11

It’s not the conversion per se, it’s the reason why Prince said he did it.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:37 am
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In response to Marion in Savannah @ 12

Details. Details.

According to Scahill, Prince thinks it’s his job to make the world completely Xtian. Eliminating Mulims is just the first part of his task.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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Chris Hayes on Rachel is right. The left needs to meet the mobilization of the radical right with its own mobilization. Democracy is not something that can be taken for granted. If it has value, it has to be fought for.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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According to John Doe 2’s declaration, “Mr. Prince knowingly hired two persons who were previously involved in the Kosovo sex trafficking ring to serve at relatively high-levels within his company.” He adds that “Mr. Prince’s North Carolina operations had an ongoing wife-swapping and sex ring, which was participated in by many of Mr. Prince’s top executives.”

http://www.motherjones.com/moj…..e-swapping

I swear I did not see this last part on Leen’s diary, Huff Post or Gorillia Guides I read the story 3 times.
Why do you need people who ran a sex ring if your into wife swapping I assume sex ring means human trafficing or Pimping and Sife Swapping is consensual.
Also was Prince then Swapping or Selling his wife?

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Millineryman August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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Prince in the same league as other’s who have used religion as a excuse. It’s really not about the religion itself, it’s about the person hiding behind it.

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foothillsmike August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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Newt Gingrich also converted to catholicism.

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Blub August 5th, 2009 at 5:38 am
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there’s a hilarious headlne video item up on the current tv website with a banner that says: “FoxNews complains about about CurrentTV reporters’ release: Fox News sucks”

The video features Peroxide and Hannity complaining about the Clinton DPRK mission and hinting that Gore may have staged the whole incident in the first place (sent those reporters to get captured so that Dems can rescue them)

I’m on a PDA so I can’t link it

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Sufilizard August 5th, 2009 at 5:41 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 14

And his reason shows what an idiot he is to boot. As was pointed out earlier, post-Constantine Christianity is vastly different from the original, first-century Christians. The early Christians who were thrown to the lions were often in that predicament because they refused to serve in the Roman military.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:44 am
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In response to Sufilizard @ 21

I don’t know, from what I’ve heard, what early part of RCism Prince has in mind. One would guess it’s a somewhat later stage than the getting-thrown-to-the-lions part. Probably the point at which RCs got their military act together. Only thing that would make sense from what we know about him.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 5

Just what does a Catholic have to do these days to get excommunicated Prince, Pat Buchanan they all hide behind their faith.
And the church wonders why people leave.

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MrWhy August 5th, 2009 at 5:45 am
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It is part of the discipline of democracy to respect the roles and responsibilities of each branch of government, and, above all, to respect the verdicts of elections and judgment of the people. – (John McCain)

But please remember that the voice of the people is heard most clearly on election day. Not everyone has the opportunity to be heard at town hall meetings.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:46 am
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In response to Sufilizard @ 21

Wait earlier Roman Catholic Church Mel Gibson’s pre Vatican 2 church the one the current Nazi Pope let in recently.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:46 am
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In response to Sufilizard @ 21

Damn draft-dodgers.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:47 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 23

PPII excommunicated all communists, but Hitler died a R.C.

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foothillsmike August 5th, 2009 at 5:50 am
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Roman Catholic Church – the refuge of pedophiles.
http://dianej.wordpress.com/20…..se-report/

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:50 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 23

You left out members of the fascist group Opus Dei.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to foothillsmike @ 28

Below the belt! (boxing)

Red card! (soccer)

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:51 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 25

Germany’s four-year love affair with its own Bavarian-born Pope was in tatters yesterday after Chancellor Angela Merkel accused the pontiff of giving the impression that Holocaust denial was “permissible” through his decision to pardon the British-born bishop, Richard Williamson.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..63843.html

Mel Gibson maybe belong to another bunch of Vatican 2 separatists.

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:53 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 29

PPII (listened to a bio of him by a Brit R.C. who started off thinking he would clear the pope of charges of Nazism, but after reviewing newly available docs that the R.C. released to him, became more than ever convinced of how deeply in cahoots he was with the Nazis) was an authoritarian. Got along quite will with dictators as long as they weren’t godless.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:55 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 29

Euwh they flogg themselves for their sins the RC church gave that up in the middle ages! Somehow they got special permission to go old old school to the dark ages.

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cbl August 5th, 2009 at 5:56 am
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Mornin’ Blue Texan and Firedogs,

from the wife swapping link:

According to John Doe 2’s declaration, “Mr. Prince knowingly hired two persons who were previously involved in the Kosovo sex trafficking ring to serve at relatively high-levels within his company

would go a ways to explain the whole let’s-lock-rape-victims-up-in-a-box-car-until-co workers-free-them thing

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eCAHNomics August 5th, 2009 at 5:58 am
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I’m really out to lunch this morning. I keep typing PPII when I mean PPXII.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 5:59 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 32

All the Popes have supported the established order as long as they get paid.
Godless is defined by not paying cash more than not respecting human rights.

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katymine August 5th, 2009 at 6:01 am
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Is it Netroots time?

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:02 am
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In response to cbl2 @ 34

Any numbers on women contractors aid workers going missing presumed killed or kidnapped no body found?
To many Iraq women missing to search that way but are Iraqi women showing up in police raids of whore houses?

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:03 am
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Hi BT and Pups. Hopeless for me to try to catch up with the pack, but I am trying to ease back into the harness. We’re still surrounded by (fewer, at least) boxes, and waiting waiting waiting for our former home to sell, pant pant. Oogh.

Enough of Prince. Put him in stocks and release the bull into the arena, horns sharpened.

I suffer from a terminal case of stubborn. My flaming passion of these past years was re-kindled by Rachel’s blase attitude toward the “Brooks Bros Rioters” and their effect on our governance. WHY WHY WHY were they and their handlers never called to task, slapped HARD, summarily thrown into the pokey, door shut and the key tossed in the latrine?! Why oh WHY do Rachel and The Nation spend the time and effort to argue the merits of whether Dems should have held their own, competing riot in Miami-Dade BOE headquarters?! Would that save democracy? Whu???

Why were those rioters, faux or frivolous – no matter, not facing charges IMMEDIATELY? In my demented state, I think we lost our so-called democracy that day. Period.

But I digress. Yes. Eric Prince should face the most serious charges possible in today’s world. But he never would have gotten as far as he has if our system of law on/law off hadn’t let slide every lesser assault on our so-called democracy.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:05 am
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When police in the tiny republic of Montenegro swooped on a suspected pimp accused of running a major sex trafficking operation, they ran into an embarrassing problem.

The man they were about to put behind bars was none other than the country’s deputy state prosecutor.

Montenegro has been shaken hard by the burgeoning scandal, which allegedly involved leading members of the judiciary, police and political officials. Zoran Piperovic, the republic’s deputy prosecutor, was arrested this week, and six other officials have been detained. They are accused of forcing women, mostly from Moldavia, Ukraine and Romania, into prostitution.

The arrests are only a small part of the scandal, according to sources in the Montenegrin capital, Podgorica. It is an open secret in the Balkans that people-trafficking rings run through Montenegro to Bosnia and Kosovo, with profits from the dirty trade reaching millions of euros.

The sex-slave routes lead to Italy and Britain

http://www.prisonplanet.com/go…..ested.html

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SanderO August 5th, 2009 at 6:07 am
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Being a nasty and claiming to be a xtristan is a mechanism to have a free pass. Either god made me do, wanted me to do, allowed me to do it, or I am his instrument. God is deemed perfect, religion is his club. God doesn’t make mistakes.

It’s the ultimate whitewash.

Believe in god – no personal responsibility. QED

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 6:08 am
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In response to cbl2 @ 34

They had back orders to fill for members of Governor Mark Sanford’s Family.

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:09 am
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In response to SanderO @ 41

not in my home. but i get yer point. sigh.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:09 am
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In response to Adie @ 39

Yeah I want the FBI to do something we have laws and pay taxes for a reason or should all Lefties buy guns? Does Rachel want a blood bath the GOP certainly does I do not think she has thought this through.

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SanderO August 5th, 2009 at 6:09 am
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In response to Adie @ 39

Accountability does not exist.

Only little people get to be accountable.

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 6:10 am
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In response to Adie @ 39

Eric Prince should face the most serious charges possible in today’s world

Ain’t going to happen. With the ENORMOUS windfall profits they made in Iraq, Blackwater/Xe has the best set of lawyers that money can buy.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:11 am
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In response to SanderO @ 41

They don’t believe in free will? Ok either they really went off the deep end or I should have paid more attention in Sunday school.

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cbl August 5th, 2009 at 6:11 am
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In response to katymine @ 37

good morning,

yessum, next week :August 13 – 16 some events will be live or re broadcast here

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:13 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 46

Someone has to take the fall for the defeat in Iraq. The GOP will blame Obama the second he pulls out But Prince is to tempting to pass up.

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msmolly August 5th, 2009 at 6:14 am
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In response to katymine @ 37

Hi, Katy. You’re up early. Did you say today is a chemo day?

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ghostof911 August 5th, 2009 at 6:17 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 49

Don’t believe it will work that way. The media can be controlled to say that withdrawal is victory.

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ironranger August 5th, 2009 at 6:17 am
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A few years ago when Blackwater activities showed up in the news, I read that Prince was co-founder of Family Research Council with Gary Bauer, his sister is married into DeVos family of the pyramid (imo) Amway company & Prince interned at Bush White House but left because it wasn’t conservative enough for him. For a young guy, he has led a pretty hinky life.

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laminatorss August 5th, 2009 at 6:18 am
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In response to eCAHNomics @ 4

Did you see Scahill (he wrote the book Blackwater) talk about Prince on Olbermann? Here’s some footage.

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ThingsComeUndone August 5th, 2009 at 6:21 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 51

Only if its a GOP President withdrawing. But can even the media protect Prince? Considering everything he’s supposedly done it should be easy to make a case against him.
Unless Eric Holder decides to put the fix in.

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SanderO August 5th, 2009 at 6:28 am
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In response to ThingsComeUndone @ 47

People can use religion to suit their own needs. Many take away moral and ethical lessons. Many take away something else. That the danger of religion, especially the abrahamic ones – intepretation. anyone can do it and they do!

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:29 am
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In response to SanderO @ 45

I’m not little, just short. Are you labelling yourself little? Shame on you.

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:31 am
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In response to ghostof911 @ 46

So, force them to earn their stinking living. Don’t enable them willingly.

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:33 am
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Good Morn ((((Katymine)))) ;->

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Adie August 5th, 2009 at 6:37 am
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In response to SanderO @ 45

Seriously, I’ve heard of this wonderous person, Jane Hamsher. You need not act alone and feel small. Mebbe u should re-read some of her stuff. Pretty good for a gal. *G*

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maximus7 August 5th, 2009 at 6:40 am
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I called in on CSPAN Washington Journal and told the business roundtable President that in a climate where companies have taken over the legislative process, I told him that I, a progressive buy products and that I would boycott Tyson Foods, a constituent of the state of conservative Blue Dog Democrat Mike Ross of Arkansas until Mike Ross got his Conservative coalition got HR 676 single payer health care enacted into law.

You can sign this petition at http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross

and http://bit.ly/HR676

Read our blog at http://blog.democratz.org

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Sufilizard August 5th, 2009 at 6:42 am
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In response to SanderO @ 55

That’s a great point. And I don’t want to get into Catholic bashing because every faith tradition have some great and wonderful people as well as scum bags. I’ve known some very spiritually gifted gifted Catholics as well as other faiths, I’ve worked with the Sisters of Providence and found them to be amazing people we could all learn from.

But I suspect the less spiritually-evolved folks like Buchanan and Prince are not drawn to those aspects of the faith.

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