Last night Keith Olbermann took to the airwaves to defend himself against charges made by the New York Times, and amplified by Glenn Greenwald, that there had been a "deal" struck between General Electric and Newscorp to end the feud between Olbermann and O’Reilly.
Olbermann singles out NYT reporter Brian Stelter as his "third worst person in the world":
The bronze to Brian Seltzer of the New York Times front page story — front page story Saturday — about a "deal" in which, as the headline read, voices from above silence a cable TV feud problem — Mr. Stelter asked me at least twice last week if there was such a deal, and I told him on and off the record there was not, and I told him that I would obviously have to be a party to such a deal, and I told him that not only wasn’t I, but I had not even been asked to be by my bosses. And he printed it anyway.
And I’d even written to him that this was merely a misinterpretation of an annoucement I made here on June 1, that because Bill OReilly of Fox News had abetted the assasination of Dr. George Tiller, he’d become too serious to joke about, and I would thus stop doing so – an announcement that would obtain unless and until, of course, I felt like changing the rule again later since this is not the Constitution here, it’s a half-baked television newscast, and I make all the rules.
Contrary to what Olbermann said, he would not have to be party to any deal, nor did Stelter say that he was. Stelter printed Olbermann’s denial:
Mr. Olbermann, who is on vacation, said by e-mail message, “I am party to no deal,” adding that he would not have been included in any conversations between G.E. and the News Corporation.
Stelter said that the deal was between GE and Newscorp, arranged by lieutenants of Jeff Immelt and Rupert Murdoch. A GE spokesman even went on the record:
‘We all recognize that a certain level of civility needed to be introduced into the public discussion,’ Gary Sheffer, a spokesman for G.E., said this week. ‘We’re happy that has happened.’"
But Olbermann reasserts his story that the reason he stopped covering O’Reilly is because of the Tiller matter, having nothing to do with anything that happened at either G.E. or Newscorp. Which completely contradicts what Glenn Greenwald wrote about the story:
So now GE is using its control of NBC and MSNBC to ensure that there is no more reporting by Fox of its business activities in Iran or other embarrassing corporate activities, while News Corp. is ensuring that the lies spewed regularly by its top-rated commodity on Fox News are no longer reported by MSNBC. You don’t have to agree with the reader’s view of the value of this reporting to be highly disturbed that it is being censored.
In addition to information contained in the the New York Times article, Glenn also relied on an anonymous "MSNBC source with management responsibilities" to assert that GE had repeatedly interfered with the journalistic decisions of NBC and MSNBC. As soon as Olbermann’s segment went up, I started seeing Tweets and blog posts demanding that Glenn retract his claims, because Olbermann had said they were baseless. As Olbermann himself said in a Daily Kos post:
There is no "deal" between MSNBC and Fox over what we can and cannot cover. This is part of a continuing strategy of blackmail by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, that reaches back to 2004, and has as its goal the cancellation of "Countdown."
So Glenn asked Olbermann to clarify the situation. Olbermann has released a statement to Glenn:
I honor Mr. Greenwald’s insight into the coverage of GE/NewsCorp talks, and have found nothing materially factually inaccurate about it. Fox and NewsCorp have continued a strategy of threat and blackmail by Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and Bill O’Reilly since at least 2004. But no matter what might have been reported by others besides Mr. Greenwald, and no matter what might have been thought around this industry, there no ‘deal.’ I would never consent, and, fortunately, MSNBC and NBC News would never ask me to.
This is not possible. Olbermann has now made two contradictory statements about his role in the affair:
- He confirms what Glenn Greenwald wrote, which is that he stopped covering O’Reilly because he was told to by his bosses at GEO
- He says that his decision to stop covering O’Reilly was purely a response to O’Reilly’s role in the Tiller incident, and that any assertion to the contrary is a blackmail attempt by Roger Ailes
It is clear that there was a deal between GE and News Corp, because both are confirming it. So Olbermann is, at best, guilty of obfuscation by claiming that he was not "party" to any deal. As Glenn said:
That’s because GE executives didn’t care in the least if he consented and didn’t need his consent. They weren’t requesting that Olbermann agree to anything, and nobody — including the NYT‘s Stelter — ever claimed that Olbermann had agreed to any deal. What actually happened is exactly what I wrote: GE executives issued an order that Olbermann must refrain from criticizing O’Reilly, and Olbermann complied with that edict. That is why he stopped mentioning O’Reilly as of June 1.
Either Glenn’s reporting is right, as Olbermann confirms, and he was silenced by GE. Or Glenn’s reporting is wrong, as Olbermann said last night, and the GE-News Corp deal had nothing to do with his actions.
There will be a cloud over Olbermann’s credibility until he clarifies what really happened.



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And as always, if there is any type of cover-up going on, it will unravel.
So KO, and Immelt, and Ailes, and BillO and all the other playas need to fess up.
Let the swordfight continue, then.
;>)
Um, how could he not be part of a deal where he “was silenced”? That’s just crazy.
yea, but he is not silent. he attacked bill O and Murdoch last night.
The “deal” that the New York Times article is talking about happened between News Corp and GE. Nobody claimed Olbermann was a party to that particular deal.
Olbermann tries to say that the “deal” referred to was with him. While he technically had to be party to a “deal” not to speak about O’Reilly any more, that would be a deal between him and GE. A separate deal.
As Glenn writes:
They are both correct. My guess. KO was aware of the chats between the guys upstairs and what they wanted to happen. However they did not force him to do or not do or say anything, so he was not party to a deal where he was muzzled.
He may have acted or not acted based on the events of the day and bashing BO and fox gets old unless they really are over the top and then he might take a shot.
Since he went off on them his first day back this seems to be a signal that he’s not taking orders on THAT from upstairs… and they have not muzzled him on his shots at BO and Fox.
you mean in June and for the part of July when OB was not on vacation, there was nothing said about Bill O?
that is for sure?
Is There anyone who doubts that without Keith we would not have Ms. Maddow or Ed on MSNBC? Lets not be too quick to throw him under the bus. This story is a molehill. Lets not miss the mountain.
My sense is that if he was censored by management he would quit.
He might be given dumb assignments, like working with dickheads on election coverage, but he won’t be silenced. Just a theory.
I’m not sure why we still expect our media is in any way independent, objective or uncensored. I guess I’m getting too cynical – I just assume that these deals are made as a matter of course and that people like Billo and KO are playing their parts within rules established by others. They know how far they can go, and they know exactly when they need to either shut up or start lying. And they do both with abandon. They’re entertainers, not newsmen. We don’t have newsmen anymore.
But then again, I’m from a city with a daily whose editorial management is sold to the highest bidder every morning, and where anything not sold is simply outsourced to the wires, since they no longer have their own journalists anymore… having laid them all off. These days I attach the same amount of credibility to CCTV as I do to the American nets.
Not possible. As Glenn wrote:
Olbermann confirmed that this was true.
Oh cut out this bullshit, Jane. Glenn’s story is about apparent discussions well above Olbermann’s level. Keith says no one told him to do anything. There was probably just a misunderstanding.
Glenn is often very good, but sometimes ridiculously anal. This is one of those times. Perhaps Keith didn’t read Glenn’s article closely (who does? They are always so overwritten), Keith was probably simply not contradicting that there were conversations that did not involve him.
Further, his audience already knows what dicks BO, Sean, Rush, Beck et all are and don’t really need to hear it ad infinitum. We get it. It’s preaching to the choir.
There are other fish to fry. Go for it KO.
Here’s the comment I just put in Glenn’s thread:
GE was worried about bad press from Fox? Gimme a break.
I don’t know why people think so much of KO. He was a hack sportscaster. He’s hardly Edward R. Murrow. Cable news is infotainment, and little more.
I’m thinkin there is a cloud over glenn greenwald
I watched Olberman make his statement about billo oliely back in June, and I believe him
Olberman makes the rules on his show
last night, Olberman proved the lie of glenn greenwald by openly mocking bil;lo and openly mocking rupert murdoc
which would be a violation of the corporate ordered truce
if there was a truce …
none of us are perfect
greenwald should apologize
My sense is that in order to please his GE masters, KO used the Tiller murder as an excuse to stifle himself wrt Billo the Clown.
I seriously doubt that there are any written behavior memos from NBC to KP. At best he might have agreed to back off for a while, maybe, but I doubt because of GE issues.
Frankly, I’d like to see GE get heavy handed so more people see how effed up they are and how powerful they are. And maybe boycott their asses.
The guy’s attacking O’Reilly again, he laced into the Blue Dogs beautifully and he’s put Richard Wolffe on hold. If he was compromised, it seems that at the very least he’s doing his best to repent.
This is the guy who refused to cover the Monica Lewinsky mess way back when, and paid professionally for it. I understand the concern about him, but at this point it seems a bit much to me.
It’s time we got rid of commerical BS media and had more information and less junk.
Imagine moyers and frontline 24/7 on 50% of tele!
So why did Olbermann say this was true?
You can’t have it both ways. If what you’re saying is true, Olbermann’s statement to Greenwald is a lie.
Again, Olbermann confirmed this is true:
So Olbermann himself says you are wrong.
A lot of Fox fans buy GE products like alarm clocks, toasters and dildos.
I’m sorry, but “we like him so it’s okay if he lies on this one” is not an acceptable standard for journalism.
As I always say,follow the money AND look at the timing.
As has been reported of late, KBR and Blackwater have both brought the issue of Iraqi contracts to the front burner.Lawsuits and trials will in all likelihood be on the near horizon.
GE Capital suffered some REAL losses in subprime meltdown,but not ALL GE enterprises have been hemmorhaging capital.
Forthwith some info on Iraqi contracts with GE:
GE Wins $3 Billion Iraq Contract | Industrials | Financial …GE Wins $3 Billion Iraq Contract. 12/16/08 – 09:49 AM EST ….
http://www.thestreet.com/story/……..tract.html – Cached – Similar
Iraq signs $480 mln contract with GE for power plants | Industries …Jun 6, 2008 … BAGHDAD, June 6 (Reuters) – Iraq has signed a contract with General Electric Co (GE.N) worth $480 million to build three power plants and is …
http://www.reuters.com/article/……..8020080606 – Cached – Similar
Iraq awards GE $3 billion gas turbine contract | GE ReportsIraq awards GE $3 billion gas turbine contract. The future of energy has been the subject of intense discussion around the world, and Iraq …
http://www.gereports.com/ge-signs-rec…..t-in-iraq/ – Cached – Similar
The Center for Public Integrity | Investigations – Windfalls of WarA comprehensive examination of companies that won contracts for work in Iraq and … led by General Electric and Vinnell Corporation (the former Northrup Grumman). … in contracts for work in postwar Iraq and Afghanistan in 2002 and 2003. … http://www.publicintegrity.org/projec…..7/bio.aspx – Cached – Similar
GE Energy wins $3 billion turbine contract with Iraq – MarketWatchDec 16, 2008 … GE Energy wins $3 billion turbine contract with Iraq …. Get your FREE membership now ». MarketWatch Community is a free service that lets …
http://www.marketwatch.com/…/ge…..-with-iraq – Cached – Similar
GE BRIEF: Iraq can’t pay for massive GE Energy contractJul 27, 2009 … TradingMarkets News for GE – BRIEF: Iraq can’t pay for massive GE Energy contract.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/n…..s/2457326/ – Similar
What does overwritten mean?
I suppose “Must see TV ” is now “Must see Clientelevision”.
LOL!!!
Him mean verbose and repetitive.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Sister Hamsher, I must confess that in recent months you’ve been makin’ me more confused than is safe for me at my age and I’m close to becomin’ a cranky old man because of it. The entire episode from the meeting between GE and Newscorp(se) through the running of the story in the NYT appears to me to be a process to put Olbermann and his credibility on the hook no matter what the actual facts of the situation are. In both his statements, it seems to me that Olbermann doesn NOT contradict himself by sayin’ that he found “…nothing materially or factually inaccurate about it.” Unless Greenwald has proof that MSNBC ordered Olbermann to lay off because of the deal struct between the corporate bosses, then I think what’s happening here is that the progressive blogosphere is keepin’ the issue of Olbermann’s credibility alive even in the face of a nationwide denial last evening and Olbermann’s jujitsu of turnin’ the alleged deal around on O’Reilly and Murdock. And I DO have memory of Olbermann’s statement that he wasn’t gunna mention O’Reilly again because of the Tiller assasination.
We’re in war of attrition with the fascist oligarchy over healthcare and the future of our country, we don’t need to shoot the folks in the foxhole with us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION BUT FOR CHRIST’S SAKE DON’T SHOOT THE FRIENDLIES!!!
I am no longer interested in Olbermann covering FOX, O’Reilly, and Limbaugh. Keith went seriously off the rails in opposition to these guys, who are only part of who he should be opposing. In making them the “bad guys” in his reporting day in and day out, Olbermann badly served the people who watch his show (formerly known as the audience). It seemed like constant punching-up. If I wanted to hear that much Limbaugh — or that much O’Reilly — I would have tuned in to them directly.
I’m glad if Keith has stopped covering them, and don’t really care why.
What GE is doing wrt Iraq is not the issue. It’s Iran.
I’m not saying it’s okay that a journalist lie. I’m saying that if he did, he seems to have seen that it was a big mistake, and right now he’s doing work which needs to be done.
But maybe that doesn’t make any difference and he needs to just fess up and apologize (hard to imagine that he’d be ‘allowed’ that kind of candor) or fall on his sword, or resign, or whatever?
Yes. There is that. I concur.
I’m hoping this is a one-and-gone thread. Weigh the value of everything KO has done for us over the last three years vs. his spin on this issue; I think he gets a pass right or wrong. I know I still have to do what my boss says like, it or not, or look for new employment.
I agree. The loonies, neocons, and wingnuts get enough attention already. I really am sick of all the blather about them.
Presumes facts not in evidence (that Olbermann is a journalist). At best, he’s an aggregator and a host. Seriously, when has Keith broken news?
Has anyone checked the transcripts of Countdown to find all mentions of O’Reilly between June 1 and when the story broke? The mentions of O’Reilly after the Seltzer story broke don’t count.
“I see your Schwarz is as big as mine. Let’s see if you know how to use it…”
FunnyWheelieDiva
@34
Would you care to expound?
I would be very interested.
Citizen Hamsher:
Choose your shots and the “lies” you’re gunna target carefully Sister Jane. Given the totality of Olbermann’s show last night and his denial, it seems to me that you have missed the importance of what happened due to the NYT’s story. If in fact, GE HAD told Olbermann to cool it and he was only usin’ the Tiller assisination to cover himself, the NYT’s story gave him the perfect escape from under and MSNBC can’t do a damned thing about it. Think about it Jane, we have the most visable primetime cable pundit callin’ out the corporate fascists and their Blue Dog tools over healthcare and bibery and the next day the most progressive blog in the sphere goes after the pundit…what the fuck is THAT all about???!!!
This is more of the ”Holy Trinity” of FDL, OpenLeft and Glenn Greenwald getting their panties in a bunch. (Didja know that only these three websites haven’t drunk the Obama kool-aid and everyone else has? Didn’t know that, didja?)
Unbunch those panties, please.
If Keith fesses up that GE put the squelch button on him, it can’t hurt our political discourse. Its the kind of thing everybody knows happens all the time, but always gets swept under the rug.
Listening to NPR’s healthcare reporting this morning with John Kyl controlling the message is enough to make a listener sick. Pun intended. Liberal media, my ass.
Agree. Wouldn’t really want to see any of them replaced with another republic stenographer.
Good point.
Cut the BS, Jane. As Greenwald said himself, Olbermann was on vacation.
So it gives a little less weight to the June 1 statement you printed.
Why is it that you people are so interested in anally parsing the words of one of the strongest progressive voices on TV? Did it ever cross your minds that maybe… just maybe… Keith was keeping quiet for a little while and that he thought about it while on vacation. And when he got back decided that he wasn’t going to cotton to any “deal” that might have been struck?
Did that ever cross your minds? Or would you rather have had Keith come out on Countdown and say that he was ordered to shut up by GE and was bowing to their demands?
What’s even more pathetic on your parts is that you don’t even seem to recognize that even if their was a so-called “deal,” Keith just spectacularly blew it up. How does that fit into the narrative?
Citizen RobZuber:
Welcome to my foxhole Brother Rob.
It’s about accountability and truth-telling to our own (Greenwald). Not all of the things Olbermann has said can be true; some of them were said to Greenwald. If Jane wants to use her real estate to ask Olbermann to clarify what’s true and what’s not, who are any of us to stay she shouldn’t? Certainly not me, and probably not you. *g*
It’s important to understand that Olbermann works for one of the largest munitions makers as well as one of the largest medical equipment makers. His employer has a huge stake in the outcome of issues he covers differently that most of the rest of the So-Called Liberal Media. As such, other parts of New Media have every right to challenge him when he says (writes) contradictory things.
It might not be how you or I would use our blog real estate, but it’s really Jane’s call how FDL real estate gets used, don’t you think?
I just think he needs to come clean.
Have to agree. Keith is one of the few on our side. This is simply not a big deal to me. It’s not about politicians, some bill in the House, some Republican scandal. Keith has shown real courage in the face of the nattering MSM and I admire him for it.
Citizen waitomom:
Let me scruntch over Citizen, there’s room in this foxhole for you too…Go get ‘em comrad!
Olbermann made his statement on June 1. Nobody is denying that. Not even Olbermann. What are you talking about?
Shorter Norske: We like Keith Olbermann. It’s okay if GE spikes stories because it wants to sell more bombs.
He’s one of us!
Weigh the value of everything KO has done for us
KO doesn’t know you or me. He hasn’t done anything “for us.” He is a tv celebrity with a big ego who found a successful formula. There’s nothing wrong with that. Good for him. But he does nothing “for us.”
I think he gets a pass right or wrong.
First, I think it would be good to understand what Jane et al are saying is wrong with this kind of deal. It isn’t just lying about it or obfuscating what happened. There is a lot more at stake. There is a huge issue of two media giants agreeing not to “report” on each other’s global machinations. So … you’re cool with that?
As to why KO would go along with such a deal or instructions, he offers up a reason himself:
This is part of a continuing strategy of blackmail by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, that reaches back to 2004, and has as its goal the cancellation of “Countdown.”
The Dan Rather incident was very instructive to any tv person who thinks of him or herself as untouchable.
This is right out of Network, with Ned Beatty advising Peter Finch in the darkened boardroom, talking about 5 year plans, sliderules, and profits. So, watch for KO as prophet.
Only IDIOTS watch Fox News, Billo the Clown and read the National Inquirer. Olberman has never lost his impeachable credibility.
Sometimes for a break in boredom at the check out line I too will pick up the National Inquirer to get a quick laugh at the crap they have in there. And Fox News offers the same thing. Bored, I might click over to Billo for quick moment to get the same chuckles at the shock bullshit he and Fox are all about.
Kieth should treat Billo and Fox News like the Nat. Inquirer – never take them seriously enough to mention them unless you are looking for laughs.
May I make a suggestion.?
Olbermann has authored several books.
Why not invite him to do a book salon here?
All he can do is decline the invitation..and who knows,maybe even accept.
For sure,there would be LOTS of traffic.
Take your pick:
Books by Keith Olbermann
The Worst Person in the World: And 202 Strong … – 2006 – 273 pages
Truth and Consequences: Special Comments on … – 2007 – 192 pages
The Big Show: Inside ESPN’s SportsCenter – 1997 – 308 pages
books.google.com – More book results »
Citizen Teddy Partridge:
We are in a war here Citizen and the first rule of war is DON’T SHOOT YOUR OWN TROOPS! Jesus what the fuck are you thinkin’??!! There seems to be somethin a bit unhealthy goin’ on in the progressive blogosphere, it seems we are watchin’ the birth of a new set of “cool kids” with FDL, Talkleft and Greenwald…you folks are reprisin’ the famous syndrome of the left: cut off your leg because you have a sore toe.
@56
Thank you for the points you made.
This makes me wonder ,if in light of past experience with network execs,if Olbermann did not demand a clause in his contract that would give him total control over his programming rhetoric .
We drove Keith’s book to #1 after his Murrow moment. He came on Book Salon as a result.
Norske, I bumped tanks with you years ago. Now I find you the voice of reason. We’re all in the same big boat.
Citizen Hamsher:
Awe come on Sister Jane, your WAAAY outta line in goin’ after Olbermann on this and you know it. I went ta grad-school at a Jesuit school and I’m here ta tell that even the Jesuit law school deans wouldn’t stand on your bit of scholastic nit pickin on this.
GE/Iran.
So just to be clear — it’s okay for GE, one of the biggest defense contractors in the US, to manipulate MSNBC’s news so it can sell more weapons, and we’re supposed to be okay with that because Olbermann is “our own troops?”
I think the much more unhealthy trend is the cult of personality that leads to “one rule for us, another for them.”
At that point, we become the new Republicans.
I hate Blog Ratings Week. Let’s leave the investigative work to EW; at least her conspiracy discoveries have value.
Citizen Hamsher:
Methinks you protest too much, dear. If there is one thing of which I am certain that is that you long ago learned to prioritize the use of your time and blogspace…now I’m gettin worried that you’ve got another agenda over healthcare and the war against fascism. Enough of this shit.
We already know MSNBC manipulates the news. It’s bullshit to be sure. They are all doing it. It’s why I count on this blog and others to get the truth. There is NO news outlet that can be trusted totally.
you’re worried about “becoming the repuglitards ???
maybe it’s just a personal problem that you have
cuz yer comment at 51 is STRAIGHT UOT OF THE BIRTHER PLAYBOOK
do some comparative thinking on that one, cuz that don’t make you look too good in the current political climate
we gotta stick together
and I don’t think I got a problem with a “cult of personality” thingy
if I had that problem, I might have followed dennis miller thru the dark side and off the fuckin cliff back in 2000
I once respected dennis miller. now, I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire, not even the parts of him that ain’t on fire
I’ve had a relationship with Olberman for about two decades, and I respect the man
I’ve had a relationship with Glenn Greenwald for about 5 years, and I’m losing respect for him quickly, over this exact stupid issue
look up the words “circular firing squad” and get over it
Would be nice if both KO and Maddow could expand the breadth of their coverage as well as Rachel has expanded the perspective. Countdown has been all but unwatchable the past 2 or 3 months and it’s clear that despite the intelligence Maddow brings to her excellent interviews, the content of both shows is dictated by the follow the leader mindset of the corporate media who must be counting their lucky stars for a supreme court nomination followed a series of high profile deaths, one of them bringing the bonus opportunity to pat themselves on the back by association with Walter Cronkite.
I am certainly sorry I missed that salon.
And trying as I am to be a gracious guest, I have to admit that the tone of your arguments sound more personal than about principal.
sheesh, who is doing that? I haven’t read all the comments and hope to catch up, but really, I’m sick of Us v Them coverage, and want real investigative journalism.
When I was involved in the trenches doing human rights advocacy work I realized very quickly that the grassroots by definition has no bedfellows in places of power. Transient allies, people who might derive advantage from helping us out, enemies of enemies, yeah, but no real friends outside of a small number of other likeminded, progressive organizations, and even those partnerships anytime one congressperson or other would decide to make a deal conceding some oof one partner’s issues at the expense of the others. Simply put, we were betrayed so frequently and regularly by media folks, governments, government agencies, Democrats of all persuasions, established UN-connected NGOs, corporations, and politicians, and even moneyed not-for-profit advocacy groups like the Human Rights Campaign and the Child Welfare League that we basically wrote our assumption in their inevitable betrayal into our basic operating plans. Media elites who make 7 or 8 figures are all about themselves. I don’t know why we should expect that they are anything else, or that they will do anything other than lie to us. We use them. They use us.
“scholastic nit picking”
Remember you said that, Norske.
@65-Loo Hoo
Thank you for this link,Loo.
Interesting that it is a CBS byline from so long ago.
I’m with those saying Jane needs to take a deep breath before flinging poop solely on the basis of her careful parsing of Keith’s comments she read on DKos.
Here’s an idea — did you bother to pick up the phone and call Keith first, or send him an email asking for clarification of the apparent contradiction between the statements before rushing to post that “They can’t both be true” and “He must come clean”?
It’s called journalism — maybe you should remember that in this instance too.
I got a theory about election cycles being somewhat repetitive and predictable
in that vein, I got two final words on this topic
Pie Fight
FWIW, Jane put the KO blue dog special comment up on facebook almost immediately. Jane isn’t out to make KO a friendly fire casualty, she knows he provides worthwhile commentary for progressives and that his voice should be put into wider circulation.
Keith could go into more detail about his vacation and what he knows about his bosses’ dealings with Murdoch/Ailes.
Keith did stop going after Bill O at the time indicated. That’s a bit much to take as coincidental. He also took a vacation, something that Glenn suggested was part of a MSNBC news push back strategy, and then named Bill O #2 and Murdoch #1 worst persons. So regardless if he was just following orders for a couple of months, he’s stopped that now.
Both Olbermann and Greenwald are strong enough not to waver when they believe they are right and honorable enough to concede when they have been proven wrong. Good journalism requires good critics who read and listen carefully so that the journalist writes and speaks carefully. It’s to their mutual advantage (and ours) to continue this conversation.
Marcy Wheeler is upstairs!
Why Can’t CIA Handle the Same Level of Oversight the Military Gets?
Isn’t that called “Professional Courtesy”?
OK, this is beginning to look like a zit after it popped.
KO and BO are commentators.
Jane and Glenn are all about accountability.
KO and BO seem like they are about accountability, but they are really about ratings and stirring the pot, imho.
Just sterilized that thing before it scars (come clean, as Jane says) and let’s move on! The best PR is to tell all the truth and quickly.
I like KO, but don’t like being manipulated by anyone.
I understand, but it would still be correct to call it all one big deal, no?
But you and Glenn are correct so far. the inly thing that bugs me just a little is that we’re relying on anonymous sources for everything, unless I missed a sourced part of the story.
The only problem with this is that Iran and Syria have NOT attacked us, nor will they be likely to DO so in OUR future . . . .
911 was primarily Saudi Arabian operators, who themselves are/were renegades from their own country.
So, GE really is not doing anything wrong from the ‘terror attacking USA’ POV, but MAY be guilty of skirting the law to DO business overseas . . . . . as to that, I can’t really see Fox News outing GE on that to help fuck with MSNBC, a competitor of Faux Nooze . . . .
Much ado about nothing, IMHO.
As as to the great debate, if ANYone doubts that the corporations who OWN the MSM, be it the networks, cable ops, or press . . . if ANYone doubts that they censor their nooze ops on a regular basis, then I got swamp land in New Mexico and a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.
this is very well put
“Given the totality of Olbermann’s show last night and his denial, it seems to me that you have missed the importance of what happened due to the NYT’s story. If in fact, GE HAD told Olbermann to cool it and he was only usin’ the Tiller assisination to cover himself, the NYT’s story gave him the perfect escape from under and MSNBC can’t do a damned thing about it.”
While this does represent a possible and not improbable back story to what is going on here, do you really think Hamsher and Greenwald should just shut up and assume the best? Olbermann wouldn’t have gotten his own political commentary show on TV if he wasn’t a completely honest and admirable person and we should defer to his superior wisdom and honesty at all times, right?
“None of us are perfect.” Shocker!
I have always thought Keith was controlled and stopped watching him before my TV died. I did not like the way he referred to Chavez as a dictator when bush was in office.
Venuzuela had fair elections. Ours were rigged . Chavez helps his people. bush ..helps corporations and big oil.Seems Obama does the same thing but I just like him better.
put me in the same category
it’s the price of my respect (so you can see where dennis miller went wrong)
but I’m also in the category that ignores “small potatoes”, and hates the “circular firing squad” mentality of Democrats
I think Olberman has a bigger problem with Richard Wright (is that the guy’s name)
disclosure is more important than the current topic
faux gnus loses on the disclosure issue if we police our own side
Olberman is infotainment
but disclosure is important …
yeah, I got a fucked up view of logic an stuff, what’s yer point ???
I’m talking about that it was disingenuous for you to post just that snippet which makes it appear that Olbermann was silenced since June 1, when, in fact, he was on vacation for much of the time. Is that so hard to understand for someone who talks about “an acceptable standard for journalism.”?
Sorry for taking you so literally. But I guess your own rules don’t apply to you.
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Olbermann also coddled, lauded, canonized and slurped the tiny nuts of the greatest media whore of our time, Dick Cheney’s personal media valet, Tim Russert.
Olberman is an entertainer. Working within corporate media he makes a lot of money, reaches a lot of people, and has to be a company man.
I think that you’re wrong on this one, Jane.
This article seems to say that MSNBC has pressured Rachel Maddow & Keith to lay off negative Obama stories. Rachel certainly seems to have complied.
NBC Universal: Big Media’s Big Stick
Hollywood Reporter and its journalist, Bond, frozen out over Obama coverage
By Nikki Finke
Published on June 16, 2009 at 11:43pm
It’s a very dangerous situation when any multinational corporation wages war against media companies. Especially when that huge multinational is General Electric, which itself owns a media company, NBC Universal, and is using all its power and influence and money to try to harm another media company, Nielsen, Nielsen Business Media, and its trade publication The Hollywood Reporter.
This certainly sounds like a situation the Federal Communications Commission, Federal Trade Commission, and U.S. Department of Justice should be investigating. Just one problem: The controversy stems from G.E./NBCU’s coverage of President Obama.
According to my sources inside and outside Nielsen Business Media, The Hollywood Reporter trade publication ran a story April 22, and an updated version April 24, covering the “drama” at the recent G.E. shareholders’ meeting in Orlando. THR’s West Coast Business Editor, Paul Bond, wasn’t sent to the meeting but interviewed about a half-dozen people who’d been present.
Bond’s story in the Reporter focused on the attempts by stockholders, Fox News Channel and other media to learn whether G.E. Chairman/CEO Jeffrey Immelt ordered his news operations to be less critical of Obama and his policies. Bond’s story was immediately picked up by The Drudge Report under the headline “G.E. shareholders outraged over MSNBC bias; Microphone cut off.”
It became a hot news story on conservative, liberal and media-oriented Web sites. That’s when, sources inside and outside Nielsen Business Media tell me, G.E.’s Immelt ordered a G.E. companywide ban on all editorial, advertising and business dealings with The Hollywood Reporter’s parent company, Nielsen. After a few days, the ban was reduced to involve only G.E.’s NBC Universal, and was carried out by chief Jeff Zucker against Nielsen Business Media’s The Hollywood Reporter. The ban — including efforts to have editor Bond fired — lasted six weeks, and my NBC Universal sources now confirm that it has been lifted.
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One of the things that is disturbing about this is that Olbermann may have used the death of Dr. Tiller as a ruse to stop talking about Fox and O’Reilly even though he had already gotten his marching orders from GE. Was he waiting for Fox and O’Reilly to say or do something so outrageous that he had an excuse for not talking about them anymore to save face?
I enjoy watching Keith’s show (I like Rachel better) but I thought it was obvious that he was obfuscating about the GE/Newscorp issue in his Daily Kos piece. It reminded me of his defensive piece in KOS when he got bent out of shape over Glenn criticizing him for giving Obama a pass on his FISA vote. Glenn was right about the FISA vote and he’s right on the GE/Newscorp issue. I don’t understand anyone who is talking trash about Greenwald on this one when even Keith says he is correct.
This is sarcasm, right?
Perhaps TPTB at GE found out (from Olbermann’s higher-ups) that Olbermann was not going to discuss O’Reilly any more because of the Tiller matter, and decided to use that insider information in “making their deal?”
This kind of thinking reminds me of the Obama supporters who get angry when you question anything Obama does. The hell with integrity and doing the right thing so long as we beat the Republicans. Thanks but no thanks.
My god… how much elastic does it take to stretch the OBVIOUS truth to fit a desired outcome?
I’m seeing a rubber tree the size of a redwood.
Me two! Or three!
The avalanche of rose petal throwers, willing to throw all reason and ethics to the wind, on that Keith Kos parse-imonious (parsing of the facts to the nth, parsimonious with the truth) diary was awesome!
Awesomely frightening.
I dont think Obamabots can match it. Very sad to see this behavior from the so-called more ethically enhanced left.
Because they are acting freeperish?
The same sort of blowback occurs on FreeRepugnant when a few of their less brainwashed ilk dare to question the truthiness of some of their idols… like Bill-O?
That is what I wrote on the Keith diary on DK (amidst all the slobbering ((( I heart Keith))) comments) … that I found it most disturbing that he sanctimoniously and disingenuously used the death of Dr Tiller (a true hero) to obscure the true and far less lofty reason he was going dark on OReilly.
Just the fact that he would jump right back to dissing OReilly once the cat was out of the bag, is not to his credit, just the opposite. It showed (I thought, as Greenwald did, quite obviously) that he was doing some quick CYA and that his uppers would allow it because they too need to keep up the fiction that GE dont meddle with the news… lol. It also showed that his use of Tiller as cover for shutting up about OReilly was without ethics. Although, somehow, in KeithBotLand, that he came out to diss BillO once again, is considered a sign of his greatness and supports his integrity around this issue, 110%.
Go figure. I can see lurking Freepers laughing at the left (the Keith Right or Wrong Army) right now. And guess what? This time they would have good reason.
I’m grateful that she has posted this. Shows integrity. Ditto for Greenwald and Sirota.
Keith, unfortunately, has not.
It also shows that some are unwilling to affix “bot” to their identity (see those named in first line), even if the bots’ revered One is revered by a sizable swath of the so-called progressive community (beyond all reason and to their detriment).
Face it, you have been had. If you are, in fact, a soldier for truth in the progressive foxhole, you ought to stop aiming at your foot.
That’s scary that you call what she is saying bullshit.
Scary that you draw the line at telling the truth at the point where the truth seeps onto someone you like – in an unfavorable way.
Ironic, that you and yours are the ones that applaud Keith for his calling out of rightwing blowhards, for his “revealing of the truth” about these “liars” and for their dreadful lying.
I dont doubt that Keith is a Democrat or puts his check mark in the liberal column on most issues… just doubt that he is an infallible god, and that progressives should act so desperate about their side being given a platform (via Countdown) that they are willing to defend the indefensible and aid and abet his behavior when it is tawdry and deserves its own calling out.
He makes some good calls in outing the rightwing, but he is not worthy of medals of courage, especially when it comes to his obsession with FOX … who doesnt know at this point who they are and what they do? (Of course, when Joe Scarborough mocks the tortured and Mika mocks Americans as unAmerican if they dont like Palin, they remain untouched by Worst Persons.) A lot of what he does is about competition and ratings and money – and a lot of it is a waste of time re becoming truly informed about what truly matters. (Like when he reports about torture… that is worthy… the ten millionth shot of some stupid teabagger and 10 minutes of commentary on them, for the ten miilionth time, is not.)
Go ahead and persist in protecting “our side” of the media from worthy criticism. However, if you do, dont moan about the crap state of the media. That bell wont ring… true.
I couldn’t agree more! I’m so tired of some Democrats who think that a Democratic version of the unethical Republican Party is what we need. It’s so High School!
I agree that all of the genuflecting to Keith on Kos was sickening.
Sorry… just playing devil’s advocate. I don’t watch Olbermann, but I’d rather think ill of his big bosses than of him.
First chance I’ve had today to get back to this.
That makes sense, Karen.
It also makes sense that harpies are making this into a BIG deal because it will take the focus off of health care reform and question the very people who are trying to encourage dialog about such reform.
Looks like HUGE CORP is winning again, just by all of us talking about these smaller issues. There is only so much that $1.4 million dollars in lobbying can buy in a day. Let’s make people talk about other things, instead.
Can we get back to our regularly scheduled program?