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	<title>Comments on: If You Can’t Stop Them, Tax Them</title>
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		<title>By: jonerik</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/02/if-you-can%e2%80%99t-stop-them-tax-them/#comment-1948075</link>
		<dc:creator>jonerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good idea, thruppence. Maybe also reinstituting taxation on short term capital gains as ordinary income as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea, thruppence. Maybe also reinstituting taxation on short term capital gains as ordinary income as well.</p>
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		<title>By: thruppence</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/02/if-you-can%e2%80%99t-stop-them-tax-them/#comment-1948048</link>
		<dc:creator>thruppence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think one great tool to attack this issue would be a return of the Securities Turnover Excise Tax (STET), a small tax (say, 0.25 of one percent) on every purchase of a stock or derivative or whatever.  We had such a tax until 1966, many countries still have them. It would generate hundreds of billions of dollars a year.  John Maynard Keynes argued for such a tax as “mitigating the predominance of speculation over enterprise.” To deal with high value program trading, you might want to make it a percentage tax plus ten cents, anything to put a cost on trading as pure short term gambling instead of long term investment.  I don’t know how to start a populist groundswell for such an obscure policy, but it’s a policy worth pursuing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one great tool to attack this issue would be a return of the Securities Turnover Excise Tax (STET), a small tax (say, 0.25 of one percent) on every purchase of a stock or derivative or whatever.  We had such a tax until 1966, many countries still have them. It would generate hundreds of billions of dollars a year.  John Maynard Keynes argued for such a tax as “mitigating the predominance of speculation over enterprise.” To deal with high value program trading, you might want to make it a percentage tax plus ten cents, anything to put a cost on trading as pure short term gambling instead of long term investment.  I don’t know how to start a populist groundswell for such an obscure policy, but it’s a policy worth pursuing.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know. The amount of stock the average CEO has is pretty large, even compared to the amount of options, where that intermporal issue is large. The losses on that stock are really high. I think the paper does a good job of showing that the long-term interests of the CEOs line up pretty well with the longer term shareholders. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is an academic debate about this issue of alignment, as you point out, but the problem doesn’t seem serious in big banks. The paper doesn’t deal with the issues I raise, and, of course, my issues are the real reasons for compensation regulations, even if politically they have to stay sub rosa.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know. The amount of stock the average CEO has is pretty large, even compared to the amount of options, where that intermporal issue is large. The losses on that stock are really high. I think the paper does a good job of showing that the long-term interests of the CEOs line up pretty well with the longer term shareholders. </p>
<p>There is an academic debate about this issue of alignment, as you point out, but the problem doesn’t seem serious in big banks. The paper doesn’t deal with the issues I raise, and, of course, my issues are the real reasons for compensation regulations, even if politically they have to stay sub rosa.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Aschbacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Aschbacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem with claiming that executive compensation packages aligned with their shareholder obligations, because the compensation was structured around stock-value, completely ignores the intertemporal choice conflict between an executive boosting their short-term personal enrichment at the possible expense of the long term positions of other investors; especially institutional investors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with claiming that executive compensation packages aligned with their shareholder obligations, because the compensation was structured around stock-value, completely ignores the intertemporal choice conflict between an executive boosting their short-term personal enrichment at the possible expense of the long term positions of other investors; especially institutional investors.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Except the people doing the ‘tithing’ don’t even get to feel good about it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except the people doing the ‘tithing’ don’t even get to feel good about it.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/02/if-you-can%e2%80%99t-stop-them-tax-them/#comment-1947938</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He’s not too poor. It’s all part of CEO worship. Kind of like tithes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He’s not too poor. It’s all part of CEO worship. Kind of like tithes.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Welch is too poor to pay for all that himself?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think corporations should pick up living expenses unless it’s in lieu of salary or wages. I don’t care how important the @#$@^&amp;^s are: if they’re being paid more than a million a year, they can pay their own living expenses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welch is too poor to pay for all that himself?</p>
<p>I don’t think corporations should pick up living expenses unless it’s in lieu of salary or wages. I don’t care how important the @#$@^&amp;^s are: if they’re being paid more than a million a year, they can pay their own living expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: PPDCUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>PPDCUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Masaccio.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last summer while financial corporate bailouts were the rage, I proposed a retroactive 25% surtax on all Wall Street annual incomes over $250,000 going back ten years when the parasites were slowly killing the host.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Less than a year later, just the opposite has happened with trillions of increased taxpayer debt shoveled into the derivative hell hole to keep up the appearance that the broken system is still afloat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stocks moving higher in the past three months only shows that the masters of the universe have confirmed that they’ll never pay for the damage they’ve done to the economy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Masaccio.</p>
<p>Last summer while financial corporate bailouts were the rage, I proposed a retroactive 25% surtax on all Wall Street annual incomes over $250,000 going back ten years when the parasites were slowly killing the host.</p>
<p>Less than a year later, just the opposite has happened with trillions of increased taxpayer debt shoveled into the derivative hell hole to keep up the appearance that the broken system is still afloat.</p>
<p>Stocks moving higher in the past three months only shows that the masters of the universe have confirmed that they’ll never pay for the damage they’ve done to the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One major part of the problem is the cult of the CEO. How many worshipful articles in Forbes, Fortune, Business Week, have you seen? Every week we get lectures from CEOs in the New York Times. Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/business/02corner.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;today’s&lt;/a&gt; paean to the head of Cisco Systems, complete with lessons for the up and comers earned at the feet of Jack Welch, the quintessential deity of the worshipers, whose &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/sep2002/wlch-s17.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;divorce&lt;/a&gt; revealed his disgusting greed, or maybe it’s his arrogant sense of entitlement. Here’s a taste:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Besides allowing Welch to live there rent-free, GE picks up the tab for such additional necessities as fresh flowers, wine, laundry and dry cleaning services, a cook and wait staff, a housekeeper, and every other detail down to toiletries, newspaper and magazine subscriptions, even postage. GE also pays a portion of Welch’s dining bills at the exclusive restaurant Jean Georges, which is located in the building.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One major part of the problem is the cult of the CEO. How many worshipful articles in Forbes, Fortune, Business Week, have you seen? Every week we get lectures from CEOs in the New York Times. Here is <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/business/02corner.html" rel="nofollow">today’s</a> paean to the head of Cisco Systems, complete with lessons for the up and comers earned at the feet of Jack Welch, the quintessential deity of the worshipers, whose <a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/sep2002/wlch-s17.shtml" rel="nofollow">divorce</a> revealed his disgusting greed, or maybe it’s his arrogant sense of entitlement. Here’s a taste:</p>
<blockquote><p>Besides allowing Welch to live there rent-free, GE picks up the tab for such additional necessities as fresh flowers, wine, laundry and dry cleaning services, a cook and wait staff, a housekeeper, and every other detail down to toiletries, newspaper and magazine subscriptions, even postage. GE also pays a portion of Welch’s dining bills at the exclusive restaurant Jean Georges, which is located in the building.
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/02/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-seth-jones-in-the-graveyard-of-empires/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon upstairs&lt;/a&gt; with Seth Jones’ &lt;i&gt;In The Graveyard of Empires: America’s War In Afghanistan&lt;/i&gt; hosted by Joshua Foust&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/02/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-seth-jones-in-the-graveyard-of-empires/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon upstairs</a> with Seth Jones’ <i>In The Graveyard of Empires: America’s War In Afghanistan</i> hosted by Joshua Foust</p>
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