Freddoso writes:
But before liberals begin to smirk, here’s a poll from 2007, in which 35 percent of Democrats said that President Bush knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks, and 26 percent were not sure.
So if 58 percent of Republicans are living in a delusional fantasy world because they are out of power, then 61 percent of Democrats were doing the same thing until just recently (perhaps they still are). It’s a clean, apples-to-apples comparison with a clear lesson: People get a bit kooky when they’re out of power, Democrats about 3 points kookier — which is probably within the margin of error.
I clicked through to the poll and this is what I found:
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
Of the Democrats that said Bush did know or that they weren’t sure if he knew, how many of them were relying on testimony elicited from Condi Rice at the 9/11 hearings? You know, the part where she admitted presenting a Presidential Daily Brief titled “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States” to President Bush in August, 2001? I haven’t found the exact text of the question Rasmussen used in his poll, but I am certain that Condi was also caught in a lie when she said nobody had ever contemplated the idea of terrorists using planes as missiles. If there was any ambiguity to the question, there are plausible, non-“kooky” reasons at least some Democrats may have answered the way they did. Anyway, I’m not trying to say there were no conspiracy-minded Democrats answering the poll; instead I’m saying that this isn’t a “clean, apples to apples” comparison.
Moreover, comparing an event like 9/11 – a wound on the psyche of America that has left lasting scars – to a non-event like the provenance of Barack Obama’s birth-certificate, is pretty stupid too. After 9/11, who wasn’t looking for answers? The fact that many folks took detours into rabbit holes shouldn’t surprise any of us. On the other hand, let’s face it: the only people looking for answers after Barack Obama’s election are those that felt traumatized by the election of a black man. I mean, c’mon… These same folks accused Michelle Obama of being a militant black woman that hates America… they believe Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and was educated at a Madrassa… I’ve even seen one prominent blogger – Pamela, from Atlas Shrugs – suggest that Obama’s father was Malcolm X (as if that would be something to be ashamed of).
Anyway, the truth is that I probably wouldn’t be responding to Freddoso’s wingnut inanity if it weren’t for the claims he’s made both on television and in writing:
I was also asked about a video shot by the thoroughly disreputable Mike Stark, whose selective editing and misidentification of members of Congress contributes to the appearance, at least, that a significant number of Republican members of Congress are "Birthers" — or at least that they won’t say they’re not Birthers.
Freddoso collects wingnut welfare from the Washington propaganda rag he writes for (I won’t link to it) and has the temerity to call me “disreputable”. He goes on to suggest that I’ve selectively edited my videos to, I guess, paint an “at least” exaggerated story.
Look… I’ve released the full context of every clip we’ve used. Freddoso links to another intellectual lightweight that suggests I abused Congressman Reichert by selectively editing an interview with the Congressman for use in a montage. Funny… if either of these irresponsible hacks had contacted me, I could have set the record straight for them. With regards to Reichert, it is true – I haven’t released every second of footage I’ve shot. Why? Because the first time we caught up with the Congressman, he was on his way to make a vote. The exchange wasn’t exactly pretty. I know it wasn’t Reichert’s best moment, because we caught up with him again on the way back to his office after he finished voting. That’s when we did the longer interview. What happened in between is what is interesting.
While we (Brett Vaughn, the documentarian) and I were waiting for the Representatives to emerge from the Capitol after casting their votes, a young woman approached us and asked us if we had been filming Dave Reichert. After we said yes, she identified herself as communications staff for Reichert, said she didn’t want to be filmed, and asked us what we were up to. We told her that we were asking Republicans if they believed Obama was born in the United States because we thought their answers would be the truest measure of how bat-shit insane the GOP has become. We went on to say that we had some footage of her boss that kinda sucked for him, but if he was willing to come on camera and talk about birtherism, we’d promise that our first encounter would land on the cutting room floor forever.
And that’s the way it ended up. Reichert came out of the Capitol, we interviewed him on the spot about birtherism - and nobody has seen the first interview. Today we enjoy a quality working relationship with the Congressman; he’s approachable and willing to speak with us because he knows he can trust us not to engage in exactly the kind of underhanded smears that the rag for which Freddoso works publishes regularly.
Freddoso continues:
Stark, you may recall, is the man who made a scene during a 2006 Senate race by shouting repeatedly while cameras were rolling in order to start an unsubstantiated rumor that then-Sen. George Allen, R-Va., spat on his first wife.
Uhm… Dave? I didn’t start the rumor. I asked about the common-knowledge that circulates throughout Charlottesville. Just like I asked about the common-knowledge regarding Allen’s racist past. Moreover, I’ve gone out of my way to affirmatively state the spousal abuse allegations as a matter of fact. Why? Because such allegations are actionable in court. And I’ve got a standing invitation to George Allen: if I’m lying, sue me. We’ll open up your divorce records, retrieve the emergency room records from Charlottesville (where his wife was treated) and we’ll sort all of this out. If I’m wrong… well, I’ve graduated UVa law school and expect to do quite well for myself. Allen may be able to retire with the windfall judgment he’d win against me. After all, his political career has been destroyed. The damages must be huge!
Anyway, there’s plenty more I could write about this Freddeso character and his handmaidens at the propaganda sheet he works for… But bloody ‘ell… I’m too tired to bother.
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- Jamie Kirchick: Pervasive Republican Birtherism is the Fault of Liberal Blogs
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Keep up the good works Mike.
They are afraid of you and trying to use their own BS to project how you operate.
They lose.
“Thoroughly disreputable” from clowns like him is a badge of honor. Wear it proudly into battle, Mike.
Why wouldn’t a few Dems and other smart people question what W knew? We know he oould not have been really reading “Pet Goat”, and we know he lied about almost everything else. It’s called inference or logical thought.
The fact that individuals like Freddeso are getting all lathered up about the work you are doing suggests that you’re hitting the right nerve(s). Accordingly, I would encourage you to continue doing what you’re doing, not only on the “birther” issue, but on a myriad of these right-wing, “gravity doesn’t exist” insanities. I know, shooting fish in a barrel is not really that much of a challenge. However, the more loudly you “speak truth to stupid”, the more likely it is that your work will break through to the MSM.
A personal favor? If you can manage to pigeon-hole Ken “Dim Bulb” Calvert (California – 44th district) on this “birther” thing, I’d really enjoy it. Thanks.
bingo
it is an absolute fact bush was forewarned about the attack before it happened, this is not in dispute, it is documented by his own aids, on paper, in a presidential brief
those who DON’T think he knew about the attack before it happened are the people uninformed, those who DO think he knew are the more informed in this case
the man was given PRECISE intel, telling him where, (new york andwashington), what the targets where, (political and financial institutions), the method, (highjakcing commercial airliners) and the weapons, (airliners as missiles)
intel that precise is almost never available
YUP!! But he ignored the report and went out to “Clear Brush” What an ass he was and still is.
OT but!!
Todd and Sarah Palin to Divorce
he he
Now there’s some comedy.
he did worse then ignore the report, he actually stood down
few people know the following;
clinton was given an almost Identical pdb, if you read it you would think it was the same briefing re-written, you can read about it on page 128 of the 9/11 report
we find out that clinton set into motion a series of profilactic events that made the attack he was warned against almost impossilbe
he co-ordinated air traffic control, police, air marshalls, airliner security, airport security
there was a template that was known successful agaisnt this kind of warning
bush not only didn’t follow that template, he refused raising any alam at all
Multiple affairs on both sides ? There will be no prez Palin or VP either. What a laugh – family values, indeed.
That was in the National Enquirer. So I wouldn’t take it to the bank quite yet.
Bush & his Administration should be tried for dereliction of Duty!! Just add that to the very long list Hugh compiled!!
I wonder what the true cost was/is to our country for the SCOTUS coronation of Busco in terms of money and lives lost and maimed???
Like many bad polls, this one starts with a piss poor question. “Did Bush know in advance?”
Well if what is meant is “Had he been told that there was a high probability of an attack in America by an extremist moslem group, the answer is : “Of course he was, we have the memo”
If what is meant is “Did Osama or someone call Bush on the phone nad tell him what, when, and where about the attacks, then the answer is- “There is absolutely no evidence of such”
I still believe that W and Dick were pretty sure something was coming down the pike, but turned a blind eye to the “pearl harbor” that they needed. I do not, however, think that they anticipated the magnitude of the event and expected maybe a hijacking in the US.
True – but the Inquirer has been right so many times it’s scary.
we knew we would find something out for why she abandoned her postition in elected office
if this story is true we are seeing the beginnings of those reasons unfold, from the link, notice my bold;
again, if this story is true then my speculation is as follows;
the affairs were going public and it was going to get dirty, sarah did the end run before let doodoo hit leh melting iceberg
I also think they were quite willling to lose a few American lives to further their own ends.
If the story is real, it won’t be too long before it gets confirmed.
In any case, the Republic Party is the gift that keeps on giving…
hard to say that since the report is not only clear, the testimony from cia was that they were SO concerned they “were running around with their hair on fire”
and as I say, there was a template for them to follow to which they ignored.
unlike some, I do not believe they knew the buildings would collapse so your point is taken well but they were CERTAINLY forewarned and invited the attack in their lack of action in template and protocol
the memo says exactly that though rw!
it tells them when, (within months), where, (new york and washington), what, (financial and political structures)
and it tells them far more then that as well, there certainly is evidence, it’s in the memo
unless you have the exact schedule it is pretty darned impossible getting information of this kind of event more precise then that pdb
Which memo? Do you have a link?
Does the poll tell us how many Republicans thought Bush had advance knowledge? Maybe the numbers for the two parties are the same.
That whole memo was discussed in the Rice appearance before the 9/11 committee, if I am understanding the reference/conversation.
I’ll start looking for her… But I’m pretty sure the birther thing will be dead by the time Congress returns from recess. We’ll have to see what’s timely then, but I’ll do my best to find out what she thinks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B…..rike_in_US
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL…..ust6.memo/
This Birther movement is out of control, but I love every minute of it.
The insanity is turning all GOP’ers into conspiracy theorists of one kind or another.
Bernard Goldberg is saying that Obama administration is the reason why this story won’t die off.
Here is the clip of good ol’ Bernie.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2360
as revbev says at 23, it’s the famous pdb, “bin laden determined to atack america”
from wiki;
that’s the one, and we have the testimony’s in the 9/11 report as to what the briefing entailed
from the report;
And isn’t it the one that provoked W’s famous reply: Now you’ve covered your ass….? Such a serious, dedicated man, just as Laura says.
That is my take also… Dodge that bullet Sarah dodge!!
Yes, I’ve read the briefing- but it doesn’t specify when, where, or how Al Queda planned to attack.
I edited this in to my post;
this is pretty clear and precise and it definately calls to action
that was after the president was pretty much chased down, having refused to meet with those that wanted him briefed on this grave and iminent danger
in any event, of course he was forewarned and using a poll demonstrating most democrats know this fact is a little counter productive to their point me thinks
for those who wish to peer over the threshold, some of the best sourced, credible research on ‘the new Pearl Harbor’ is over at:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com…..orked.html
remember Sibel Edwards? new stuff from her.
Oh c’mon! Equating “birthers” with folks (and hardly just Americans in the democratic party) who’ve been paying enough attention to all the things about 9/11 that just don’t add up is so beneath this blog. I’m shocked.
Here are some of those questions (the top 40):
http://911truth.org/article.ph…..1155307646
You are one of the only sources of real journalism. Keep on keeping on- you’ve got decades of journalism behind you, of the real journalistic school, a history of luminaries as bright as the stars. Keep on going, man!
Damn, an attack by name. You must’ve *really* gotten under their skin, Mike–I’ll bet they even brought you up at Grover Norquist’s special breakfast. And I know which rag Fredosso writes for, too.
Keep up the good work, man!