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		<title>By: cosanostradamus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1947219</link>
		<dc:creator>cosanostradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
I’d like to see a poll on the public’s perceptions of sainted Blue Dogs vs. goddam Libruls on healthcare. Are the rubes buying it, or do they know who their friends are?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This will define, or redefine what Congress is in the next election. It’s the story behind the story of failed healthcare, but does the formerly MSM cover it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How ya gonna vote after ya lose your healthcare?&lt;br /&gt;
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I’d like to see a poll on the public’s perceptions of sainted Blue Dogs vs. goddam Libruls on healthcare. Are the rubes buying it, or do they know who their friends are?</p>
<p>This will define, or redefine what Congress is in the next election. It’s the story behind the story of failed healthcare, but does the formerly MSM cover it?</p>
<p>How ya gonna vote after ya lose your healthcare?<br />
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1947047</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some times &lt;a href=&quot;http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/31/health-care-action-in-the-states/#comment-35202&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you’ve got to dig a little to get the real story&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some times <a href="http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/31/health-care-action-in-the-states/#comment-35202" rel="nofollow">you’ve got to dig a little to get the real story</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: LKN2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1947004</link>
		<dc:creator>LKN2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Recognise the danger of a SUBSIDISED MANDATE: I understand the idea behind the mandate: more people = lower costs, but in reality it may not work that way.  The insurance industry is like the oil traders who gamed the market to $145 per barrel - they will maximise their profit, no matter who suffers. Health insurance costs will bankrupt our country, and a government subsidy makes it even more likely that costs will continue to rise. Consider a MANDATE WITHOUT A SUBSIDY: Citizens will be so angry at paying high premiums out-of-pocket that they will finally organize for change and begin to question the wisdom of for-profit healthcare.  At minimum, insurers will be forced to lower prices and actually compete for customers.  In the best case scenario, public anger will be so strong that citizens will insist on single-payer, if only to protect their own pockets. Progressives would be wise to put aside compassion and harness the power of a truly angry populace.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recognise the danger of a SUBSIDISED MANDATE: I understand the idea behind the mandate: more people = lower costs, but in reality it may not work that way.  The insurance industry is like the oil traders who gamed the market to $145 per barrel &#8211; they will maximise their profit, no matter who suffers. Health insurance costs will bankrupt our country, and a government subsidy makes it even more likely that costs will continue to rise. Consider a MANDATE WITHOUT A SUBSIDY: Citizens will be so angry at paying high premiums out-of-pocket that they will finally organize for change and begin to question the wisdom of for-profit healthcare.  At minimum, insurers will be forced to lower prices and actually compete for customers.  In the best case scenario, public anger will be so strong that citizens will insist on single-payer, if only to protect their own pockets. Progressives would be wise to put aside compassion and harness the power of a truly angry populace.</p>
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		<title>By: marymccurnin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1947001</link>
		<dc:creator>marymccurnin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Letter to Sacramento Bee:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just Try Getting Sick&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The lobbyist-run group, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, is sending busloads of hired and trained individuals to town hall meetings across the country.  They are sent to disrupt and harass representatives as they attempt to discuss health care reform with their constituents. A recently leaked memo from the organization can be found if one searches online.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Some of the instructions in the memo include:&lt;br /&gt;
Artificially inflate your numbers by spreading through the town meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
Be distruptive early and often.&lt;br /&gt;
Try to “rattle him”, not have an intelligent debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AHIP, a trade group and lobbying powerhouse that represents the health insurance industry is sending people to town halls to observe. They want to delay and, then, kill health care reform.  Just as they are killing and maiming mothers, fathers, grandparents, children, neighbors, brothers, and sisters. And if you don’t think they are willing to kill you, too, then just wait. Given enough time the health “care” industry will undercut your medical care; just try getting sick.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The health insurance cartel is now the health insurance mafia. You cross them and you will be dealt with. These are the people who are making decisions about your coverage, your life.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Letter to Sacramento Bee:</p>
<p>Just Try Getting Sick</p>
<p>The lobbyist-run group, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, is sending busloads of hired and trained individuals to town hall meetings across the country.  They are sent to disrupt and harass representatives as they attempt to discuss health care reform with their constituents. A recently leaked memo from the organization can be found if one searches online.</p>
<p>Some of the instructions in the memo include:<br />
Artificially inflate your numbers by spreading through the town meeting.<br />
Be distruptive early and often.<br />
Try to “rattle him”, not have an intelligent debate.</p>
<p>AHIP, a trade group and lobbying powerhouse that represents the health insurance industry is sending people to town halls to observe. They want to delay and, then, kill health care reform.  Just as they are killing and maiming mothers, fathers, grandparents, children, neighbors, brothers, and sisters. And if you don’t think they are willing to kill you, too, then just wait. Given enough time the health “care” industry will undercut your medical care; just try getting sick.</p>
<p>The health insurance cartel is now the health insurance mafia. You cross them and you will be dealt with. These are the people who are making decisions about your coverage, your life.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowsnapdragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowsnapdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a great, catchy song.  I’ve been thinking about how successful the United Breakes Guitars song has been and maybe it’s time to resurrect the Had Enough song.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would be cute if we could do a rickrolling campaign to Had Enough with a current verse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a great, catchy song.  I’ve been thinking about how successful the United Breakes Guitars song has been and maybe it’s time to resurrect the Had Enough song.</p>
<p>Would be cute if we could do a rickrolling campaign to Had Enough with a current verse.</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1946998</link>
		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They have single payer in Taiwan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They came to this country, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/04/20/jonathan-cohn-interviews-taiwans-dr-michael-chen/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;looked at Medicare, and adopted Medicare for All&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad we can’t do that in this country!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have single payer in Taiwan.</p>
<p>They came to this country, <a href="http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/04/20/jonathan-cohn-interviews-taiwans-dr-michael-chen/" rel="nofollow">looked at Medicare, and adopted Medicare for All</a>.</p>
<p>Too bad we can’t do that in this country!</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1946997</link>
		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Citizen cameras should go to the emergency rooms of hundreds of hospitals and listen to the stories as they wait for attention.  Set them up for viewing on utube   or CDs sent to Congress people and Senators.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OK. We know thank Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd publically recognize their good luck to have their government paid healthcare…but with a little research we could ask other lawmakers to publically announce their healthcare benefits.  Who gets prescription coverage for viagra, lipitor, etc. Whose spouses &amp; children have received lifesaving treatments, etc.  How many of our “retired” elected officials are accepting social security and retirement benefits although they are already wealthy?  How can this information be gathered and posted?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of us know someone who needs national healthcare so volunteer to accompany take that person or family to the home offices of their Senator and Representative and let them tell their story.  Or write down their story on the back of a paper printed with Kucinnich’s plan and deliver it in person or send it.  The act of representing Americans other than ourselves could be impressive- the reverse of the selfishness that gives money to wage war but doesn’t protect it own citizens.  HEALTHCARE IS NATIONAL DEFENSE!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen cameras should go to the emergency rooms of hundreds of hospitals and listen to the stories as they wait for attention.  Set them up for viewing on utube   or CDs sent to Congress people and Senators.</p>
<p>OK. We know thank Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd publically recognize their good luck to have their government paid healthcare…but with a little research we could ask other lawmakers to publically announce their healthcare benefits.  Who gets prescription coverage for viagra, lipitor, etc. Whose spouses &amp; children have received lifesaving treatments, etc.  How many of our “retired” elected officials are accepting social security and retirement benefits although they are already wealthy?  How can this information be gathered and posted?</p>
<p>All of us know someone who needs national healthcare so volunteer to accompany take that person or family to the home offices of their Senator and Representative and let them tell their story.  Or write down their story on the back of a paper printed with Kucinnich’s plan and deliver it in person or send it.  The act of representing Americans other than ourselves could be impressive- the reverse of the selfishness that gives money to wage war but doesn’t protect it own citizens.  HEALTHCARE IS NATIONAL DEFENSE!</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1946995</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We need to get the message out to businesses, not just to individuals. We should stop letting the health insurance companies define the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Business owners, shareholders, and executives should be made to think about how much they are paying already, not just for their own employees, but for the uninsured through cost shifting and taxes to pay  for the uninsured. Health insurance companies are currently able to keep up prices and drive out competition. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When a business owner buys health insurance they buy what will be accepted by health care providers in that area. You can’t expect Doctors to spend time jumping through bureaucratic hoops for an unlimited number of companies, especially when each health insurance company, or HMO has a different set of bureaucratic hoops to leap. Just having the employees do the paperwork would not work because the rates the dominant insurance provider pays is much smaller than people who pay cash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having a public option would provide real competition to health insurance companies would finally add some competition to health insurance companies’ fiefdoms. That’s why they don’t want it, and why every other business should want a public option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to get the message out to businesses, not just to individuals. We should stop letting the health insurance companies define the issue.</p>
<p>Business owners, shareholders, and executives should be made to think about how much they are paying already, not just for their own employees, but for the uninsured through cost shifting and taxes to pay  for the uninsured. Health insurance companies are currently able to keep up prices and drive out competition. </p>
<p>When a business owner buys health insurance they buy what will be accepted by health care providers in that area. You can’t expect Doctors to spend time jumping through bureaucratic hoops for an unlimited number of companies, especially when each health insurance company, or HMO has a different set of bureaucratic hoops to leap. Just having the employees do the paperwork would not work because the rates the dominant insurance provider pays is much smaller than people who pay cash.</p>
<p>Having a public option would provide real competition to health insurance companies would finally add some competition to health insurance companies’ fiefdoms. That’s why they don’t want it, and why every other business should want a public option.</p>
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		<title>By: unionave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1946993</link>
		<dc:creator>unionave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to Rep D. K. of Ohio the right plan is available . Washington hasn’t listened to the voters for over 30 years but your State governments do and thanks again to Rep D. K. each State can expand their present health care programs using stimulus money which would increase employment and health of each State with doctors under contract and paid for doing a good non-expensive job as is with the Mayo clinic system . If we get our heath care problems out of Washington to where we have a say in it we can have some control over our lives . Washington knows we are dying , going broke , and bankrupt because of medical charges . But Washington having caused the problems is palling around with another version of medicare that allows the providers to continue the increases that will break the government and enrich the providers . We must take the control of our lives out of Washington where there is no concern and make it local where we can be heard .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Rep D. K. of Ohio the right plan is available . Washington hasn’t listened to the voters for over 30 years but your State governments do and thanks again to Rep D. K. each State can expand their present health care programs using stimulus money which would increase employment and health of each State with doctors under contract and paid for doing a good non-expensive job as is with the Mayo clinic system . If we get our heath care problems out of Washington to where we have a say in it we can have some control over our lives . Washington knows we are dying , going broke , and bankrupt because of medical charges . But Washington having caused the problems is palling around with another version of medicare that allows the providers to continue the increases that will break the government and enrich the providers . We must take the control of our lives out of Washington where there is no concern and make it local where we can be heard .</p>
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		<title>By: katymine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/01/come-saturday-morning-getting-the-message-out/#comment-1946992</link>
		<dc:creator>katymine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;watching travel shows on PBS… in Taiwan they pay the family doctor to keep them healthy….. when someone gets sick, the doctor pays the family back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watching travel shows on PBS… in Taiwan they pay the family doctor to keep them healthy….. when someone gets sick, the doctor pays the family back.</p>
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