For years Keith Olbermann of MSNBC had savaged his prime-time nemesis Bill O’Reilly of the Fox News Channel and accused Fox of journalistic malpractice almost nightly. Mr. O’Reilly in turn criticized Mr. Olbermann’s bosses and led an exceptional campaign against General Electric, the parent company of MSNBC.
It was perhaps the fiercest media feud of the decade and by this year, their bosses had had enough. But it took a fellow television personality with a neutral perspective to bring it to an end.
At an off-the-record summit meeting for chief executives sponsored by Microsoft in May, the PBS interviewer Charlie Rose asked Jeffrey Immelt, chairman of G.E., and his counterpart at the News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch, about the feud.
Both moguls expressed regret over the venomous culture between the two networks. Then — even though the feud had increased the viewing audience of both programs — they instructed lieutenants to arrange a cease-fire, according to three people who work at the companies and have direct knowledge of the deal.
In early June, the combat stopped, and the anchors for the most part found other targets for their verbal missiles (Hello, CNN).
“It was time to grow up,” a senior employee of one of the companies said.
Instructed lieutenants??? Oh, wait, I should add this:
The rapprochement — not acknowledged by the parties until now — showcased how a personal and commercial battle between two men could create real consequences for their parent corporations. A G.E. shareholders’ meeting, for instance, was overrun by critics of MSNBC (and one of Mr. O’Reilly’s producers) last April.
And there we have it, don’t we? It wasn’t that it was personal, it’s that it was business—and not the news business, G.E.’s business.
To review: Olbermann goes after O’Reilly directly for Bill-O’s distortions, lies, and dangerous invective. In return, Fox’s angry anchor goes after. . . not Olbermann, not Olbermann’s politics, but after Olbermann’s paycheck—after KO’s corporate bosses.
When Olbermann chose to make O’Reilly his “Worst Person in the World,” The Factor folks would retaliate by accusing General Electric of aiding Iran and insurgent forces in Iraq:
“If my child were killed in Iraq, I would blame the likes of Jeffrey Immelt.” The resulting e-mail messages to G.E. from Mr. O’Reilly’s viewers were scathing and relentless.
Bill-O also sent his pachydermal pit poodle, Jesse Watters, to ambush Immelt, and pelt him with questions about G.E.’s business in Iran. That cannot have made Jeffrey happy.
Then, the day after MSNBC aired the Countdown segment above (a segment in which, after detailing the 28 times that Bill-O accused the murdered Dr. Tiller of being a “baby killer,” Keith calls on viewers to quarantine Bill-O, to refuse to watch, to boycott establishments that show O’Reilly on their TVs, and then announces he will make the first gesture by retiring the nickname and caricature), this:
O’Reilly made the extraordinary claim that “federal authorities have developed information about General Electric doing business with Iran, deadly business” and published Mr. Immelt’s e-mail address and mailing address, repeating it slowly for emphasis.
The next day, according to the New York Times, the attacks stopped.
Now, I have not done a careful catalogue of Countdowns since then. Olbermann, currently on vacation, told the Times, “I am party to no deal.” We will see what happens on air now that this story is public when Keith returns. But it does make for a high eyebrow raise.
But if Olbermann was pressured, he should not be the focus of our disgust. As they say, don’t hate the player, hate the game. And, in this case, the game is corporate-owned, overly consolidated media, and the guys who make the game’s rules are Rupert Murdoch and Jeffrey Immelt.
I don’t need to tell you about Rupe—arrrrrrrgh!—his failings are legendary, but what of Immelt? Is he tonight’s Elephant?
Immelt is a smart mogul, so he spreads the influence dung around, but there is a decidedly bigger pile on one side of the midway.
While Jeffrey maxed-out to Hillary Clinton and Chris Dodd during the primaries, he also gave the legal limit to Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. In the general, he gave his maximum $2,300 to John McCain. Immelt has also given generously to the RNCC and Mitch McConnell. (There are no reported commensurate donations to Democrats or their campaign funds.)
So, here’s what we have in tonight’s media circus: two ostensibly Republican ring masters—supposedly in competition—collude (with the help of Microsoft and Charlie Rose—wtf?) to silence one side of the debate in order to make the world safe for parent company profit.
In fact, I should go a little further: It is not that one side of a debate was silenced, it is that the only side in the debate was silenced. O’Reilly stoked a climate of hatred against a man that was eventually murdered for providing a necessary and legal service. Olbermann attacked O’Reilly for that. In return, Bill-O attacked Immelt and G.E., and, as a result, it seems, Immelt directed Olbermann to STFU.
Tell me again about the liberal media. . . . Tell me again why rolling back media consolidation shouldn’t be one of our main priorities during this Democratic era in national politics. . . .
Well, Keith’s paycheck is, for better or worse, dependant on a corporate parent. Mine is not; neither is yours (at least in this forum). I say the airways are a public trust, and O’Reilly seriously strains that trust. I say attack him all you want. What do you say?
[Small Update: I just remembered that back in March, I wrote about this other instance of corporate interference with on-air content at MSNBC.]



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I watch Countdown on MSNBC’s website, and since he declared BillO persona non gratia there has been absolutely no mention of him at all.
It’s led to some interesting side effects – along with BillO, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have both been less of a presence. Rush Limbaugh has been seen more often, though.
Guess you have to take the good with the bad.
Is it OK with Bill-O if I point out that he’s a self-absorbed, petty, deceitful piece of psuedo-human trash washed up on the polluted shores of the American corporate media? Too bad.
Guess you have to take the good with the bad.
What good???
Actually, he is a sorry-assed, lying, egomaniacal, perverted sack of shit that someone hauled out from under a rock in the sewer swamps to pollute our airwaves.
Keith’s imitation of Rush (which is probably what Jabba the Hutt would sound like if he spoke English) is quite funny.
I could swear that I’ve heard O’Reilly’s name since early June.
But, yeah, I read this article, and found it disturbing. Yeah, yeah, I know. But hell, that is part of why we watch KO – a perception, at least, of truth, a willingness to not hold back for business reasons.
and yeah, although Jeff Zucker was mentioned, it’s between Fox and GE.
And WTF was Charlie Rose doing in this? Let alone Microsoft?
But most offensive to me, the tone of the article that all these “personal attacks” are just petty personal grudge type things. Never mind that O’Reilly and Fox in general, not to mention Beck, are dangerous, evil people, who need to be called out.
If GE’s going to keep all their shows from calling them out, then, why should we watch?
Oh, and I notice that although Rachel is listed on my tv schedule for tonight, she isn’t on – replaced by — you guessed it, sex trafficking!
Not that it isn’t a serious issue, but this is a repeat show, and of course, there’s as much sensation as true news – and why do they pull off their high-rated news shows for this trash? Oh, the trash is even higher rated? Surprise.
But it’s all just business, my dear. Now don’t worry your pretty little head about it and be a good little consumer and go out and shop until you drop.
More false equivalency. Washington Week ran a clip of some Republican asshole (wasn’t paying attention so don’t know which one, like it matters) saying the Democrats want to kill seniors, then ran a clip of Pelosi saying the insurance companies are immoral for denying healthcare. They then discussed it as if these were two equally valid positions in the health care debate. Sorry Villagers, one was shameless demagoguery and the other was the truth, you are not doing your jobs pretending otherwise.
In the end, as long as all parties make megabucks, nothing else is worth sweating about. Makes you wonder sometimes why we give a damn.
Yes they are. You seem to be operating under the misapprehension that their job is to inform and illuminate.
Because we don’t make megabucks and are not really interested in doing so.
I thought about that and decided to save it for a different rant. Worst part is, THAT was PBS, less profit driven and they are still as bad as the rest. If it wasn’t for NOW and Bill Moyers they could pull the plug on their whole news division as far as I’m concerned.
They all went south under Bush. It was really obvious that they were taking an increasingly rightward slant on everything.
Yes, you would think they might want to actually watch Moyers interview with Wendell Potter, on their own network.
OMG! You can’t have that. It would reveal a *shudder* liberal bias.
“Television: a medium, so-called because it is neither rare nor well done.”
Sometimes credited to Ernie Kovacs but the actual quip originated with radio legend Fred Allen.
I think Keith will take the ethical path. Maybe he’ll join Froomkin. (Or better yet Jane!)
Kinda like having a Flat-Earther and a normal sane person on, then claiming there is legitimate dispute about the shape of the planet?
Exactly like that. Or having a creationist and a normal sane person on, then claiming there is a legitimate dispute about the origin of biological diversity…and they actually do this one.
Rachel’s in solidarity with Keith???
Or a debate on creationism versus evolution.
Owe you a drink, whatcha havin’?
Speaking of Flat-Earthers, did you see this at the Great Orange Satan?
A lot.
Slightly less than surprising.
Saw a debate on that topic moderated by William F. Buckley. Buckley, the purported genius of modern conservatism was (naturally) a creationist.
Well, I knew they were stupid and crazy, but I had no idea that they were that stupid and crazy.
Something in a locally brewed ale, please.
Too bad it wasn’t on every teevee in this country…. perhaps all the millions being spent by Insurance industry and big pharma would all be for not. Atrios has the transcript.
Perception based on the theory that reality is whatever you WANT it to be. The antithesis of science.
Slidin’ down the bar at ya.
Buckley was erudite, glib, and articulate, but his ideas were very much third class. What really drives me nuts about this is the media consistantly treat this as a scientific controversy and it absolutely is not. Evolution is the scientific explanation for the emergence of species diversity and new species. Period. It is one of the most widely accepted theories in all of science. More so even than any theory in physics. The controversy is between science and some religious groups and individuals..
Ahhhh.
Apparently Southern, Republican, and batshit crazy correlate to a remarkable degree. I know we aren’t supposed to stereotype, but Christ on a skateboard they’re making it easy.
Always knew that postmodernism was a conservative plot.
There is a difference between stereotyping and making an empirical generalization.
It isn’t hard to see a jaw-dropping level of pig-headed dogmatism in both groups. Which should be a paradox in a postmodernist, but they seem to care little for consistency.
I think I’ve mentioned this before. The creationists’ tactic was to dispute established evidence and force the science proponents to waste their time RE-establishing something which should never have been contested. Example, “There is NO fossil evidence which supports the theory of evolution.”
Dude, I have to teach that shit every fall (graduate theory seminar), which means I have to read more of it than is healthy, and they are absolutely oblivious to consistency or contradiction.
I try to avoid making such sweeping generalizations out of respect for the many enlightened Southerners and the knowledge that no region has a lock on the dumbass demo.
Sure. This way they neatly sidestep the basic flaw of their argument, which is that they don’t have one.
That’s because messaging on the Liberal side of things usually doesn’t see the battle-space until it’s in their rear-view mirror.
They never fail to fail to see it until after the opponents are entrenched.
hey rat
On the other hand, the South does have an unnatural concentration of stupid and crazy. I know, because I are one (or border state anyway).
Did you see the intro tonight, where he read a post from TPM urging everyone to send the link to the show to everyone they knew, print it on a t-shirt, put it on a yard sign, tattoo it on your forehead, etc….
sounds good.
I rent, so the yard sign might not work, but I’m thinking about the t-shirt, maybe a hat. Maybe a sandwich board! Wear it to the Mall!
No, better, wear it to one of thse outpatient surgeries that are spreading like cancers! (spent too much time in those in the last year with relatives.) Mention that the insurance execs fly corporate jets so they never have to meet real people, that they want everybody to have to buy insurance, without any government regs, etc.
Hey newt!
Either that or they go with “prove the negative” by demanding you show that God doesn’t exist.
They want everybody to have insurance as long as they do not actually have to pay out on that insurance.
Despite what Gregg says about not blaming the player, blame the game, I’ve got to say that I thought more of Olbermann than this. Bill-O the Clown’s attacking NBC and GE are exactly what I would expect of him. I would also expect that NBC would laugh all the way to the bank on it.
Olbermann performed a community service in making the point that O’Reilly is a faux journalist working for a Faux News organization.
I thought that Olbermann had overstated things a little when he said O’Reilly had crossed a line. But it’s his show, he gets to make those decisions. Now it appears that what really happened was that Olbermann got a cease-and-desist order.
I’m really sorry.
Something about the Bible Belt that often seems to constrict normal oxygen flow to the brain.
You do not have to be an atheist to believe in evolution. I know of a number of people who see it as the way God works his will.
The (disorganized) Left long ago conceded the playing field when it comes to messaging, always playing catch-up, always reacting instead of provoking. The Art Of War is a one-party volume now.
Fuck, Howard Dean for lifetime DNC Chair.
Tomlinson and Cox were the two thug scumbags selected to do to PBS what Murdoch had done to jourtnalism 20 years earlier. They damn near pulled it off too. Even award-winning shows the quality of “Frontline” were under siege to report from the government’s point of view rather than being the watchdog the press was always meant to be in a democracy.
It was very evident in these years from 2003-2006 that the pro=government forces had controlled the message in a manner based on totalitarian models..
http://www.commondreams.org/he…..509-07.htm
It is permanent brain damage from being repeatedly whacked in the head with that Bible in childhood.
How old are you? When you get to a certain age, you just teach the truth.
Well, of course, I don’t think the news people know what a theory is any more than the creationists do.
But yeah, I can’t believe I grew up in a country, in a conservative state, a conservative church, where evolution was taken for granted as obviously the accepted explanation/theory…and now nearly half (is that right?) of the population doesn’t believe it.
Says a lot about the deterioration of our education system, and it points out how bad the education in the South has always been.
(My mother told me once how relieved she was my dad was transferred from small-town Virginia to Indiana while I was in grade school, ’cause our town’s high school only went to 11th grade.)
Are we discussing PoMo now?
Possibly exacerbated by a non-branching family tree.
Their mommas never told them that cinching up your Bible Belt around your neck was not a good idea.
I am 57 and will on occasion say what I honestly think about such things. The whole point of that seminar, however, is to make the students read, analyze, and make their own judgments about various theoretical positions in the field (and we have a shitload of them these days). I do try to press them on issues of coherence, logical and empirical support, etc., but it is part of the professional training for them to learn how to make up their own minds and not simply accept whatever I tell them.
The right-wingers are end justifies any means folks. The truth has no intrinsic value to them, they just want to win. Hard to defeat or even draw even with opponents like that without stooping to their level and if you do that you’ve still lost…
It is actually only slightly over a third of the country believes in evolution, the lowest rate in the industrialized world. Like you, I grew up in a conservative state (Oklahoma) in a conservative time (50s & 60s) that were dominated by conservative religious views and nobody questioned the teaching of evolution.
Understood. It just must be frustrating when so many kids come from the far-right prospective. (At least according to my daughters.)
As little as possible. Just a sidebar from my observation that conservatives are natural Postmodernists.
Exactly the same time period, ’50’s and 60’s, Indiana.
That’s what they get for trying to take their pants off over their head, which BTW is a surefire way to fail a field sobriety test but you’ll be a star when the police video hits youtube.
Heading out, splendid evening to all.
That really is not too much of a problem in my field (anthropology), at least at the graduate level. As a discipline we tend to be rather hard left, though we do get a significant number of moderate conservatives among the graduate students. Mostly in archaeology and forensic anthropology.
Night, rf.
‘Night, ratfood.
I’m going to vamoose too. Peace out, y’all!
Well, creation pseudoscientists prefer to use the term theory in its tentative sense. They also ignore the history of science, which shows that problematic theories get replaced.
Like the phlogiston theory of combustion, or the dark sucker theory of lighting. Both explain phenomena but have to invoke otherwise unknown physical properties. The phlogiston theory of combustion requires a substance with negative mass, for example. The dark sucker theory requires negative energy.
The phlogiston theory of combustion died in the 19th century when it was shown that phlogiston had to possess a property (negative mass) not known elsewhere. The dark sucker theory of light is a Flying Spaghetti Monster type joke, so it never had to be overturned.
Basically there are big-T Theories and little-t theories. Big-T Theories have been fact-checked and are strong explanations for natural phenomena. Little-t theories are better called conjectures. They haven’t been fact-checked, and they may or may not explain much about the Universe.
Night, EDP.
I’ve never understood post-modernism. It came along after I was out of the university. It may be that’s the reason I don’t much care for much contemporary American fiction is that it’s post-modern. I just find most of it boring.
Good night, EDP. Ratfood too.
And evolution is one of the most thoroughly tested theories in all of science. I always point out at the beginning of my intro classes (where I teach evolution and get a lot of creationists), that all scientific explanations are theories since science does not deal in absolute truths like religion, but relative or conditional truths.
You can lead a grad student into a seminar, but you can’t make them think.
Are there degrees being offered in Forensic Anthro now?
Hey, BC, I knew that! ;)
But I doubt that I could have given such a concise clear explanation as yours.
And I certainly had forgotten all about phlogiston – vaguely recall something about it.
If schools barely teach the basics of actual science these days, they probably don’t teach much history of science, either. Which I’ve always found fascinating. Actually, I always found science fascinating, but I couldn’t cope with the math, so I “went a different way.”
Unfortunately Keith and MSNBC went into a gun fight with a pocket knife. No one should ever underestimate the fixed news “talent” or their superiors ability to get down in the mud.
It’s unfortunate they didn’t turn Keith and a well funded staff loose on the “personalities” at Fixed News to, shall we say, profile them.
FWIW–Rachel was on Real Time tonight, may be why her show wasn’t aired.
They deliberately make it difficult to understand so that they can say you just do not understand what they are saying (see they really are smarter than you!) when you critique them. A great deal of it is simply inane or quite obvious and uninteresting.
Naah, it’s all about the bucks.
Well, maybe – it’d be nice to think so. But the sex trafficking continues all night, no repeat of Countdown or Tweety, either. That points toward bucks-based-decisions to me.
Oh, good! I feel much better! I fear that had po mo been dominant when I was in college, I’d have ended up hating literature.
I had a grad student last fall who wanted to argue about whether the Central Limit Theorem is true or false. It was one of the most bizarre conversations I’ve ever had on campus. One reason was that he didn’t really have the background to understand that The Central Limit Theorem is a misstatement — there are a number of them, with varying premises but the unified conclusion that the limiting distribution is Normal.
But the other reason was his complete failure to understand the nature of mathematical proof. If you accept the premises, then the conclusion is true. End of sentence, it’s what Quod Erat Demonstratum means.
He’s no longer in our program.
Yeah. Ours is one a few programs in the country which offers a concentration in forensic anthro at the graduate level (though it is mostly limited to the MA). A couple of our physical anthropologists do all the forensic work for the state crime lab and some LEAs (more accurately they have their students do most of it). Tennessee is the big program, what with the body farm and all.
Creating PoMo critiques is a fun drinking game, but it lacks much appeal as intellectual pursuit.
Obviously a postmodernist at heart.
F***.
They’re turning us into training establishments.
No matter which channel, it is just entertainment. It’s all made up for your enjoyment. These two right wing companies that enjoy war and pay for it. One is Rupert’s machine for propaganda, the other is a huge war machine that makes nukes and submarines and bought their own propaganda arm. They make nice about their puppets liberal v. conservative attack dog shows. They turn on CNN?
The Flintstone’s have more of a reality base. They live with dinosaurs.
So, wait, were Countdown and Rachel on at all tonight? I got home expecting repeats and got MSNBC “true” crime trash.
Anybody know when KO’s coming back, or are they auditioning replacements with all these guest hosts?
FunnyWheelieDiva
Mostly it grows out of a profound and fundamental misunderstanding of what science is and does. It works great in literature and the humanities (sort of anyway), but has no real place in the empirically based disciplines.
Did you know that South Central Texas is trying to compete? Texas State U in San Marcos (LBJ’s alma mater, then called Texas State Teachers College) has begun a body farm in the nearby hill country? They don’t have a lot of bodies, yet, are trying to recruit donations.
Supposedly the point of it is that decomposition is different in the dry Texas climate than Tennesee’s more moist one, so there should be new stuff to learn. Something like that.
I dunno. Think somebody in the admin has watched too much CSI, and when the State U became simply U, they had to think up new stuff to offer to lure in students.
Much to the chagrin of my physical colleagues. It is a real problem with our physical MA students, who all have watched way too much CSI and refuse to believe that isn’t the way it really works.
Wolffe said tonight that he returns Monday.
See above, Funnydiva- Countdown and Tweety were on at their early times, then no Rachel, just crime. Discussion a few inches up on your screen.
(I’m too lazy to look up the numbers).
Hmm, if I’m that lazy, I should probably get ready to hit the sack myself.
Sounds like a valid exercise and a good comparison. there certainly is plenty of room for more programs (I know some of our physical people would like to unload some of our students).
When I moved to Ohio, I was very surprised to learn that there was no middle ground, to a lot of people: believe in the Genesis creation story verbatim, or you don’t believe in God. I honestly hadn’t heard that before.
Edit: this was many years ago.
Got a cat on my lap complaining about being ignored. Better go.
Sweet dreams, everyone!
Rachel was a guest on Maher’s show tonight. The “new rules” were a hoot…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXljmjg1z28
Thank goodness. Guess I’ll have to watch countdown online tonight…too bad about Rachel, though.
It’s not as if it was a slow news week, after all.
Night tejanar and sleepy pups.
FWDiva
I grew up around Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist types and you never heard any of this stuff then. It is really only in the last 20-30 years that they have started getting really hard core about it.
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LOL.
When winter hits, it’s time to tell them how mild a winter South Texas has!
And now, I’m really saying good night.
Night. Think I will head out as well. Take care all.
Think we need to clarify whether O’Reilly (or for that matter, Olbermann) are on the public airwaves. If they appear on broadcast television or radio, they are indeed appearing on a publicly-owned spectrum.
As cable programs though, they are not, and are therefore not subject to the same demands we the public can make.
HOWEVER…I’ll bet a sizable number of us are shareholders, either directly (my family owns a few shares of GE in a small portfolio), or indirectly through mutual funds and those may be in our 401K program.
If you own GE stock, it’s time to send a letter to the board of directors and to the investor relations department. You can point out their stock performance has sucked for the last 10 years (wish I could have convinced my spouse to ditch this pig of a stock) and they are messing with one of the few bright spots they’ve had during a time when they need more access to a Democratic majority to ensure its business success. And you can point out that Immelt has been a sucky CEO for 9 of the 10-years in question.
If you have a 401K and/or mutual funds, check to see what’s in each fund you’re holding; you can generally look up the holdings of your fund(s) by going to finance.google.com, looking up the call sign of your fund, then checking its top holdings. One of the biggest, most popular funds, Vanguard 500 Index, is VFINX — and GE is in its top 10 holdings at 1.52%. You can look up the fund manager and then send them the same note; you can explain that the stock has been crappy, and that management has ignored an opportunity to make money by increasing marketshare at MSNBC by continuing to yield to competitor NewsCorp. Make it clear this is stupid management at GE, and that after 9 years of lackluster performance, it might be time to rethink GE as a holding. You should address your comments to Investor Relations at:
General Electric
3135 Easton Turnpike
Fairfield, CT 06828
+1-203-3732211 (Phone)
+1-203-3733131 (Fax)
And if by some crazy chance you happen to own shares of NewsCorp. (NASDAQ:NWS), well, you know what to do. Spank that asshole Rupert Murdoch in the same fashion. In spite of a Republican majority for four years and a Republican White House over the last eight years, Murdoch’s NewsCorp has only had 2 good years at a time when nearly every other stock was doing well. He’s chased after the same diminishing audience during that time, with the exception of buying MySpace, and he’s run that into the ground. Time for a management shakeup. Send your message to attn. of Investor Relations at:
NewsCorp.
1211 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
United States – Map
+1-212-8527017 (Phone)
+1-212-8527145 (Fax)
Next time there’s an annual meeting, watch for your proxy in the mail if you are a shareholder; I intend to find some good Firepup to whom I can give my GE proxy to see if they can attend a meeting and shake things up by complaining about the censorship on Olbermann.
Sic ‘em.
Good night, Dr.D.
“I intend to find some good Firepup to whom I can give my GE proxy to see if they can attend a meeting and shake things up by complaining about the censorship on Olbermann.”
I like it.
The fundamentalist churches tended to ignore the evolution thing from the death of William Jennings Bryan to the rise of the Creation Science Institute and its successor in Seattle.
They weren’t happy about evolution-as-they-understood-it, but they chose to ignore it. When a few mal-educated idiots with doctorates decided to make careers out of deconstructing evolution, it became possible (and popular) to go on the warpath. So they did.
Porco vacca!
Agh. Conservatives are far too primal for postmodernism. At best, Wall Street conservatives are modernists who grok science but cling to absolutism (including absolutes of the Chicago School of Business, in lieu of the absolutes of the church). Social conservatives are too heavily invested in hierarchy and power gods and threatened by science because it questions their dearly held absolutes.
The problem of liberalism has been its tendency towards postmodernism; its believe that all perspectives are equally valid has allowed social conservatives to pull down the entire spectrum of human emergence. Once we understand that we cannot all of us make progress (hence, progressivism) without lifting social conservatives to the next level, we can leave postmodernism behind.
pig-cow?
The this battle between KO & O’Reilly…… is when I was waiting for a MRI for the final diagnosis for the brain tumors ……. I was in a little waiting room, a small TV was screaming faux and I could not find a way to turn it off…… I left the room but no chair to sit, then went in the waiting room and pulled the plug for the TV.
This was around the time that I could not talk but a few words and before the brain radiation. All I could say to Elmore was “I did a bad thing” ….. the night that KO asked the viewers to turn off faux …… I had just started to put a few words together…… “I did that” ……that bad thing turned out to to be a good thing
Good for you. Guess the important stuff is really difficult to inhibit!
How are ya feelin’ darling Katymine?
FWDiva
Great clip!
Brava. Most excellent, taking power back from la via negativa that way.
Keith-O is hardly a paragon of progressive interests and he does work for GE, a network that has spent an inordinate amount of time over the years bashing Democrats. The catholic channel, MSNBC, has Chris Matthews (has there ever been anyone more stridently anti-Clinton or Gore?) Pat Buchanan (!!!) or on the NBC side, the Nantucket nabobs Tim Russert and David (I got married on Nantucket) Gregory as well as Brian (tag-team with Russert to assault Hillary on the 10/31/07 “debate”) Williams.
The execrable Joe (Terri Schiavo not to mention, well, I won’t)) Scarborough and now trivia expert Willie Geist have shows on this network.
If the Democratic demo wants progressive interests to get exposure, it isn’t on this network. Maddow? You call that progressive? Please.
In the words of the inimitable T-Rex: attack, Attack, AAATTAAACCKKKKK!
PBS went south the minute they were forced to take advertising. HW started the slide when he reduced the tax credit for corporate contributions to the arts by 50%. We all should have gone to the mattresses before we allowed this to happen.