Which, with all due respect to Roy, hardly makes him Kreskin or anything, since the Nat Rev piece was already pretty twisty. Its main thesis after all is that the birthers are making the Intellectually Rigorous Right look just like the Kooky Left, horrors. Of course, to prove the existence of the Kooky Left they cite the FACT that "one in three Democrats… believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration." They don’t give a source for this assertion, but it sure does sound fact-like!
As near as I can tell it has something to do with the at the time common wingnut assumption that since a 2006 poll found a third of Americans were willing to entertain the "inside job" hypothesis, that third must have been composed strictly of Democrats. This was, and remains, quite the assumption. Even better though is that the Nat Rev’s "inside job" crack is quickly followed by the assertion that "the Iraq War summoned the craziness in a big way." As indeed it did: as late as 2007, we could learn that "40 percent of Republicans believe Saddam was involved in 9/11, while just 27 percent of Democrats do." Oh those crazy Democrats. Oh, and they also lump in Andrew Sullivan’s stuff about Sarah Palin in their denunciation of the Left, which is fun, because calling Andrew Sullivan a leftist is at least as incorrect as saying Sarah Palin isn’t Trig’s mother.
This class of wingnut "argument" always kills me. Of all the weird things "conservatives" of the Nat Reviewist class believe, and these are legion, probably the weirdest is that they don’t believe anything weird. Why, only the liberals believe weird shit! That’s the reason they’re liberals! Observe the way the birther stuff over there is metastasizing — here for instance is Andy McCarthy taking 3,000 words or more to inform us that why, if it weren’t for those so-called "loony birthers," the crucial fact that due to legal minutiae Obama was a Kenyan citizen until he turned 21 would never have come to light. Shazam!
You can read McCarthy’s post for yourself if you want. If you do decide to plumb those depths, however, remind yourself of just how wacky those liberals were to ever even hesitantly question, say, George W. Bush’s National Guard Service. Those kooky moonbats!
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Thersday!
Andrew Sullivan is proof there are gay conservatives. Just ask him, and also ask the right to CLAIM him, please. He’s not one of ours, and by “one of ours” I mean a leftist.
A 1996 poll? Apparently someone could anticipate…
Thersday! Complete with new and improved batshit crazy and dumb as a stump!
Off the rails, indeed.
I think you mean “a 2006 poll” although I wasn’t at all surprised to find myself believing that the right quotes a 1996 poll about 911 being an inside job. It’s the kind of “fact-like” survey they specialize in.
Gah, too many typos to-night…
Sow the crazy wind, reap the batshit-crazy whirlwind.
Ya beat me to it.
No one could have anticipated my arse!
I was thinking as I was writing this of how irritating it is to read this Nat Rev posturing about the Crazy Left given, like, everything they did or said during the Clinton Administration. Hence perhaps the typo…
OMG, Late Night already? I’ve spent umm, how many hours here this evening? Probably I should go do something, I dunno, that involves standing up, moving around? Eating dinner, maybe?
“Hello, my name’s tejanarusa, and I’m a FireDogLake addict.”
I’m sure not claiming Sullivan. If I’d pawned him I’d set fire to the receipt.
1996 now reads 2006 as it should
If it were the old, stale batshit crazy and dumb as a post it’d just be another Sarah Palin thread.
Thankee kind lady! Ah have always reliehed on the kihndness of strangers.
I thought Andrew Sullivan was proof that even the marginally sane conservatives could not hold a coherent thought for more than about 24 hours before spouting new gibberish again.
I could see that happening in a reverie of Vince Foster nostalgia.
Or Glenn Reynolds or Ann Outhouse.
stranger my ass (singing we are family)
Hi all,
wing nutter question here (sorry!):
I read on Kitco that there is a clause in the Senate health bill that allows the govt access to personal bank accounts to cover unwarranted expenses. I don’t know what to think about that.
Anybody know anything about this?
Good on ya, Suzanne – I had the same thought (though not the music).
Memes, memes everywhere, and not a brain to think
Republicans are getting alot of mileage these days personifying Henrich Heine’s maxim, “Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.”
Good times.
I know, I just have so few chances to do my Blanche DuBois…
It’s the cognitive dissonance. That’s why the stupid-to-evil ratio for conservatives is useful only up to a point: The more people wallow in the racism, sexism, classism, and narcissism that is part and parcel of conservatism, and yet try to claim they are caring and moral people, the stupider they become.
It sounds to me equivalent to “the government will send a bureaucrat to every old person” to choose their manner of death. (That was what the questioner asked Obama about, right?)
Although, since health clubs and gyms claim the right to automatically deduct your dues each month, it has more the ring of truth to it, admittedly.
There’s a Senate health bill?
Pinche’ Ozzie!
Thers!
Moonbat cave fatuum! (quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur…)
Shhh. If the Republicans heard that the news got out, they wouldn’t vote for it.
Not that I have seen, even though my jackshit senior senator keeps proclaiming he has the mostest awesomeist bipartisanist to give David Broder wood healthcare bill which he unfortunately cannot share with anyone because is so super secret hush hush classified.
“If you say it in latin, it sounds better” ???
(my vocab is a bit rusty)
Max Baucus can kiss my hairy white top-secret ass.
Mine, too, and I emailed him and told him so.
Translation: Moonbat beware of the fools! (anything said in Latin sounds profound…)
Ecce potestas casei!
Yah, that’s my understanding too. But it’s fully in keeping for wingnuts to be flinging smears about something that doesn’t exist yet.
I tried to read the Andy article, but not very hard.
I think it’s funny that the Freepers refer to birthers as Nirthers, I guess to avoid being picked up by Google alerts.
I know the feeling.
There are two or three draft bills in committee or coming out of committee, but nothing that has hit the floor of the Senate as yet.
ergo bibamus
WEEE! Latin!
If you wanted it to say “anything said in Latin sounds better” it’d be:
quidquid latine dictum sit, melior sonatur
The rat food of choice!
“…..Which, with all due respect to Roy, hardly makes him Kreskin or anything….
Yes, but, just in case you didn’t know it, Kreskin actually first made his name by sneaking off to Canada.
Ergo…..
He must be responsible for anything mysterious that Obama has ever done or ever will do, including plying Cops from Cambridge with Molson’s Canadian.
Or some such thing.
_____
Oh, and just in case you were wondering, it turns out that polite Canadians are not so happy about the obfuscatory actions of our homegrown member of the Universal Healthcare Haters’ Club’, Inc. now that her more fulsome story has emerged.
.
Habesne plus vini?
Imus ad magum Ozi videndum, magum Ozi mirum mirissimum
Wierdly, I was thinking of some Latin today. Catullus, invective poetry:
Nil nimium studeo Caesar…
More advice for Thers and other sentient folk.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
*disclosure* where i’m getting my latin (including the wonderful wiz of oz quote above)
Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
As I was writing this I learned that Mike Huckabee is having Kreskin on his teevee show to discuss World politics. I am not making that up.
Non in Kansa, Toto?
Credo Elvem etiam vivere.
You guys are BAD LATINISTAS! I rebuke you!
Este hvtke ecepo fvmpe hace.
I was so impressed that I had decided to come back later. Was feeling a bit ignerint.
Credo quia absurdum est
dum spiro, spero
It seems a new meme is emerging…Obama hates white people (I’m assuming they’re excluding his mother and the grandparents who raised him).
shit, sometimes I hate white people and I am one of ‘em.
Hey! I am a self hating white person.
Divites este.
There’s so much hooey in that article, unraveling all of it is quite the chore. It’s a farrago of wingnut half-facts; the stuff about Kenya all seems to go back to Jane’s old friend Jerome Corsi, for instance. And then to show how his sources aren’t biased, he cites the “non-conservative”… Larry Johnson. (!) They really have built an entire self-reinforcing loony universe for themselves.
Hocine bibo aut in eum digitos insero?
I just got here and yet, I’m off. New job and it’s killing me.
Yeah, I’m sure Obama hates white people, he’s just been hiding it from the ones he’s lived and worked with for his entire fucking life.
blergh
I wuz gonna say that. Sorta . . . but it’s good, and I stand by it, by dawg!
(physics sez them buildings can’t fall as they did?)
I got the linky . . . ;-) ;-)
Well, of course he does and especially his mama and grandparents. People of color all hate the white folks for their natural superiority. This of course totally legitimates the fact that racist Republicans hate all people of color.
Perhaps more importantly… Me humi proruas. Mi calces os. Aut infames nomen animos. Fac quidquid habes in animo, Sed, age, mel, nune parce calceis.
Well I am not sure you want to stick your fingers in it and I certainly would not drink it. It is Muskogee for “crazy stink ass white people,” which is my new official designation for Republicans.
I’d rather party like it was 1996 again . . . that was just about the beginning of our good ride money wise. *G*
Alas, like all parties, this hangover and headache lingers . . . Buck Fush. And the Blue Dog’s, too.
Ahhh hell I’ve only got two speeds too . . . fuck it. Guess what speed I’m in? LOLOLOL
*waves*
But Sarah probably isn’t so Andrew is a Lefty?
Oy! Veni, vidi, territus sum, curcurri!
Don’t these idiots know that Obama is half white? Or doesn’t that count? It is all bullshit. Hey, wingnutville! There is no such thing as a race of people. There is the human race. Dickweeds.
Sounds like Beck. He said Obama hated white people, then when pressed about it a minute and a half later said, “I’m not saying he doen’t like white people”. The birthers are batshit insane.
OK, you guys are too funny, so I un-rebuke you.
Except for ratfood. :)
It is that “one drop rule” in action.
So, someone tell me – what is the difference between a Republican and a Birther?
PInche Loco! *G*
You’re talking sense. Why are you doing that? Wingnuts have a natural immunity, surely you know that.
There is one????
They are grasping at straws. They still haven’t gotten over losing the election to a black man. Sore, stupid losers. No ability to think critically. Facts have no place in their world.
Te precor dulcissime supplex!
A Republican only has one finger up his nose.
Considering Republicans will only kill you after you’ve been birthed, probably no diff. Unless of course you’ve been birthed again.
I guess so. If that is true then maybe I am black. who would know? who would care unless you are a teabagger or birther or an idiot.
Channeling Dubya: Heh heh … if you folks keep speaking Latin, Dobbsy’s gonna insist on sending y’all back to Latin Murkah …
Sentient? Or prescient?
‘Kin wierd, though . . . . ;-)
Nice rant, BTW . . . I need the giggle . . lol
OK, since you asked so nicely, I un-rebuke you. Dulcissime!
Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
Visne saltare? Viam Latam Fungosam scio.
While we’re riffing on the ancient world, take a look at The 9 Most Badass Bible Verses.
That’s not his nose!
For a second, I thought my dyslexia had returned …
Heh. I was just observing that in the process of calling the Left crazy liars, they told an obvious crazy lie.
Me? Dance? Certainly not. I’m a Baptist.
Suzanne, are you getting this Latin? Because I am completely lost.
*throws up hands and decides to go get a popsicle*
Ok, all you geeky southern americans gotta provide translations for all yer latinism’s . . . .
And I wanna see pictures, too . . . . all them Brazilian Dance Girls in the streets and all that . . .
I KNOW yer talkin smut up there . . . . ;-)
get back to your post or i’m gonna change your name to the wimpy mod
Yes, Larry Johnson, that well-known Obama fan./s
If ya read it backwards it sez “The Devil Made Me Do It.”
Time for me to toddle of again. Take care all and non bastardum carborundrum.
Maybe you should delete it all, just to be on the safe side.
Nitimur in vetitum semper cupimusque negata.
funny :)
You might find better solace
from a jello-us shot-us :)
You are right the birther story is an excuse for losing the election. Obama didn’t win he can win he is not a citizen. Sore Losers very SORE LOSERS
Hey, Lurk’s got a point . . . all that latin could be some serious bannable stuff!!! *blink*
Kinda what I thought.
I will not sleep a wink tonight, wondering what the bosses will have of me in the morning.
And I’m back from the popsicle-run. Mmmmm, tangerine.
Those fuckers couldn’t think their way out of a small brown paper bag.
errr
it was done with the foreknowledge of the bush administration, this isn’t an assumption it’s documented fact, documented by the president’s team itself in the form of a presidential daily breif
believing a fact now a days means the left is nutty?
interesting
Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
“We always strive for the things that are forbidden and we desire the ones we are denied”
Which is Latin for “Lefty Blogger”
Are we at the fuckity fuck faze of this anti birther bitching yet?
Not much!
OOOHHHHH!!! She said ’small’!!!!!! ;-)
(blowjob)
There’s your problem, tua toga suspina est.
I know, but scrambling to Google and back is tiring me out.
By the way, I have ice cream and nuts for that banana.
TOGA PARTY!
Well, I’m going to wander off and read, kids. In nomine patris, et fili, et spiritus sancti, pax vobiscum, post mortem, et tu Brute, amen.
BTW, MaryMc, ewe got mail . . .
Of course Mr. Huckabee is consulting with Kreskin about world politics.
After all, the former loves people like the latter who are mental.
Oh.
Wait.
I think I meant something else.
.
Ho! Habeo ceci in aurum meum!
Did you say blowjob?
Dominos Oreos Nabiscos Fig Newtons!
G’nite, Senator DrDick.
Me too, splendid evening to all and tibi gratias agimus quod nihil fumas.
there is not a question on the planet that the administration had foreknowledge of the attack before it happened, it is a fact
so believing this fact makes me as nutty as a birther?
Newton isn’t here yet.
[channeling Marcy]
BLOW JOB!
Oodgay ightnay, irsay !
You may be a little nutty but we know you are smart.
e pluribus unum
That there was a famous memo they ignored, yes. “Inside job,” no.
All I got was Pinche’ Ozzie. ;)
Is that what Baucus is giving Grassley?
lol
night EDP
Oodgay ightnay, Atray Oodfay !
Calling them Lizard Brains is an insult to Lizards, Calling them Reverse Darwins insults Apes. Calling Bush a Chimp insult Chimps.
Wait thats it we use humor to attack and facts.
The GOP lies and makes up facts. The GOP threatens violence to get what they want.
The GOP projects themselves on us. We are an other opposing group they assume we act and think just like they do. They assume that if we get power we will act like they do.
Whew! I was the best student in my Latin classes, and rather proud of it — feeling pretty dumb here. Or at least, others have better memories than I.
911 an inside job? Ya that’s as crazy as birthers right? The video doesn’t show buildings coming down in a controlled demolition fashion, that would be crazy ….. right?
To be a birther you need to think and act all emotional and Lizard brained. (I’m sure Lizards are going to protest me one day)
Larue,
Got your email and responded but my email is down. Will try later.
I have zero tolerance for this crap. Go away.
No wonder they are so batshit scared.
Nope, Dear Mz. EmptyWheel! *G*
I believe the 911 Commission Report. The Bush Administration cooperated completely, they had an unlimited budget and every executive branch of the government was encouraging. Pay no attention to building seven and the new magical way steel framed buildings fall due to fire. Nothing to it.
Nope. I’m with ya on that one.
Nutty or not . . .
Any other questions? *G*
Lou Dobbs Birther story causing his ratings to tank. Apparently there are not enough crazies for both Fox News and Lou Dobbs.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..48307.html
SEIZE THE CARP!!!!
*waves*
Just thoughts I had and wanted to share . . . walking is good! *G*
Whoa, Thers . . . you don’t think 911 was hinky in a few hundred thousand ways?
They lack empathy, who was that GOP Senator opposed to Sotomayor who did not want judges with empathy?
They don’t understand us they don’t understand we are different we want different things for different reasons than they do.
Think of it as being blind in a world where 60-70% of us can see. They don’t believe in this thing we call sight or empathy.
Wow I’ve never been scrubbed like that at the wing nut Politico.
What translation are these quotes from?
I recognize some of the stories but not these details, especially the Egyptian one (not the Moses killing the Egyptian – well, that, too, seems a bit different from the version I read in church).
The commentary is pretty good,too.
if thers (the host of this thread) does not want 911 conspiracy talk on his thread…
then there will be no 911 conspiracy talk.
It did seem controlled but the reason I heard was the burning jet fuel was melting the steel girders and as the burning jet fuel kept flowing down it melted the next level of girders.
The building was designed to take a hit from a plane however today’s planes are bigger and nobody thought about a plane crash knocking the insulation around the girders lose and the jet fuel melting them.
thanx, it is a fact the adminstration had foreknowledge, acknowledging that fact is not nutty, the facts are documented and irrefutable, it is in black and white
I am off to bed
Are the doctors in the house?
Jet fuel can’t melt steel. It don’t get to the temps needed. And neither can any other materials in the building, adding to the temps as jet fuel burns. Physics have proven this, as I understand it.
hinky /= inside job
I really have a very short fuse on this issue.
We base our foreign policy on the events of 911. It would a more rational policy if the truth we’re known. I don’t know who, don’t know why, but I know that two airliners didn’t take down three buildings in under 12 hours. Crap? May be crap to you sir, but over four thousand troops have been murdered because of 911.
Wow! Imagine, Latin was funnier!
Hey, is this thing on…tap tap tap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47u6IJ2GVdM
I wouldn’t go so far as to say I know as a fact that it was an inside job but I couldn’t say as a fact it wasn’t since there is no doubt they did have foreknowledge and it is a fact the stood down even though they were implored to act
it is also a fact that clinton was given an almost identical pdb, see page 128 in the report
it is also a fact that clinton set into motion a series of conditions that made the event almost impossible to succeed
it is also a fact that the bush adminsitration refused to follow that template which successully averted the catastrphe in the past
it is also a fact that the president’s ss did not whisk him to a safe location even though they knew this country was under attack and even though the president’s schedule was well publisized…interesting that
so no, I couldn’t say it’s a fact that it’s an inside jobe even though it is definately a fact they had foreknowledge but I sure couldn;t fault someone for believbing it that’s for sure
Ok, I guess as Suz just posted, it’s yer thread . . .
Don’t know why you have short fuse, and I guess it’s not in this space to ask why.
It’s a common public discussion like JFK/MLK/RFK and many OTHER conspiracies like Iran/Contra and such.
But I’ve ALWAYS respected and appreciated your thoughts and words in the toobz . . . so I’m off this one per yer request . . . thanks for being polite about it with me, also . . ‘preciate that . . . best to ya.
Thanks Suz.
We all have buttons we can’t stand seeing pushed, this is one of mine. There are not a whole heck of a lot of others, but this is one.
For the record I also have a thing about prison rape “jokes.” Apart from that I think I’m pretty relaxed.
the host of this thread has said no more.
if you continue to try to discuss this in opposition, your comments will be moderated.
last warning
So, if you really think about it::
Aren’t all blow jobs inside jobs?
Well, there are those who have that whole “outdoor” thing going on…
Not that I would know ANYTHING about that. At all. Whatsoever. Also.
The actual name of a blow job is a misnomer.
It’s not in the blowing that the thrills come from . . .
But if they called it a suck job, it would sound so VERY partisanship.
And Republican.
*G*
Ideally, as there are some places where poison ivy & mosquito bites are worse than others.
I’m sure you’ve all heard the one about the Buddha who goes to the NYC hot dog vendor and says “Make me one with everything.”
[ba-dum-kssh!]
OK, so the Buddha pays with a $20. The hot dog vendor smiles and accepts it. The Buddha waits, then gets impatient and says “Hey, what about my change?”
The hot dog vendor smiles and says “Change comes from within.”
Blow is an expression, suck is more descriptive.
LOL! I thought Harvard had discontinued that! Love the sound of that speech – that kid speaks beautifully. And love the theme.
Of course, in my day we weren’t really expected to learn to speak Latin conversationally — although one of my teachers had been. He used to go hang out with a local priest for an evening of Latin conversation et vino.
I thought blow was cocaine. Oh wait, I got to this conversation late, never mind.
[grin]
I’m just happy that true geekitude, including speaking Klingon, is thriving. :)
Would ya say that the ReThugs lack accurate description?
Or perhaps, descriptive ability?
Or are they just liars and spinners . . . and suckers?
Yes, that’s MY Rasmussen Poll for today!!!
*G*
and yet, even if it takes place outside, doesn’t it still become an inside job at some point, necessarily?
Jeff Beck Describes Right Wing Nuts
Man, I was SO waiting to use this line!!! *G* *waves*
Thanks for the set up!!! lol
That’s cool, thanks for understanding. I don’t mind the general topic of 9/11, or pointing out the real holes in the official story, but I’m allergic to the conspiracy stuff.
And don’tcha love it when Rachel does her “moment of geekdom?” Or is “geek moment?” Anyway, it’s always interesting, and she takes such pleasure in revealing her true geekiness.
The GOP seems to be stepping back from the Birthers. I assume they got the news of Lou Dobbs’s ratings and realized that they might finally be pushing America to far?
Point taken. Which phrase, come to think of it…
Egads this is going down fast.
Wait…
Ewww, Rasmussen pole…gross!
Yup – a guilty pleasure. Well, not so guilty. :)
Being one, I gotta soft spot for geeks.
Yeah, but Roy’s right that it will never die, just as none of the crazy Clinton stuff ever really died either, or the Ronald Reagan record about Medicaid being communism ever died, etc….
. . . we all got roads to travel and our own suitcases . . . again, I appreciate your kind hands in such.
Mine are full with dobro’s, actually, when I’m not wandering wildly in wiley ways . . . maybe I need more music in my hands . . . fix what ya can, leave the rest to the gods.
After all, even the gods are never more than 7/10th’s sure about anything . . ;-)
You be well . . . we need ya well . . .
Namaste, hoss . . *bows*
I should have never brought it up,,,um
Emerson, spellin still counts . . . and yer killin me . . .
Nice Punaise. *G*
It does not die but it shrinks from time to time. I think this maybe one of those times.
It’s all good!
Gotta hit the hay. Niters all.
Best be heading off to bed, too. G’nite, all.